HERE's HOW TO FIT 120mins movie on one cd in SVCD FORMAT!!!!

[kwag]

Hi MITSUI_1:

You're 100% right.

That's the main reason I am using FitCD, because it creates the .avs script
automagically, with the correct resize/borders/macroblock aligned, etc.

To do this manually, would be time consuming, because almost every movie is different.

Most people just use the function BillinearResize( x, y ) without any parameters, and don't use AddBorders( w, x, y, z ), so they don't get the benefit of the function's power.

kwag

Here is my avs script I'm using to resize the video to vcd compatible size if the source aspect ratio is 1:1 VGA (as for most divx files and for DVD rip):

clip=avifilesource("your fuc^H^Havorite movie.avi")
#check if the clip is in PAL or NTSC (NTSCFilm) format
fh=clip.framerate <= 24 || clip.framerate > 25? 240: 288
fw=352
h = (clip.height*fw)/clip.width
b = (fh-h)/2
bilinearresize(clip,fw, h)
addborders(0,b,0,b)

Replace 240 and 288 with 480 and 576 for your templates and set fw to 480 for SVCD encoding:

         VCD  XVCD/kwag  SVCD
fhNTSC   240     480      480
fhPAL    288     576      576
fw       352     352      480

That's very easy

This is a very nice script, but it has a small flaw.

In the function addborders(0,b,0,b)

Where the constant value 0 is used, it will always be "addborders(0, X, 0, Y)"
So Left and Right will always be 0.

If you ever need to change your left right borders, you have to manually edit the file. So you don't get the benefit of the FitCD's automatic calculation and dynamic change for the borders.

And you still have to edit the file anyway to set the "fw" variable, depending on the movie.

Just a thought

kwag

[ZeppelinFan]

Kwag,

Hi, I just notcied that you have replied to other messages and maybe you didn't see my last one from lastnight. Was wondering if you know of a program that changes .rm (real player file to an .avi or a .mpg file.

2flyy,

You have been thanked a few times throughout this thread for the starting of this and everyhting. It is great to be able to do this and I thank you anyhow, for starting this thread and there has been a ton of ideas and suggestions and such here. And I have just started doing this right when this thread started and I have learned so much and can do alot with movies now. Still there is more to learn but as for now, I am happy with my results.

I would also like to say that in actuallity, a cdr-80 can hold roughly 717 megs, with over burn it can handle about 740 megs. which equals about 82 minutes when you look at the time frame in vcdeasy. It says it is like 800+ megs after vcdeasy adds the other files and such to make it into a vcd, but in all out reality the file itself can only be about 740 megs WITH OVERBURN. Example: If you look at a movie file with windows explorer and it says say.. 713 megs and then you take the mouse and go over the file it reads like 696 megs on the bottom of windows explorer. Do you guys know why it does this? But for you that say a 800 meg file can fit onto 1 cdr-80, I would have to say nope I don't think so, caause it just won't happen. Cause you go and watch the end of that movie, and it won't be there..lol Only up to 740 megs worth of the movie will be there. Does anyone agree with what I am saying here?

[kwag]

Kwag,

Hi, I just notcied that you have replied to other messages and maybe you didn't see my last one from lastnight. Was wondering if you know of a program that changes .rm (real player file to an .avi or a .mpg file.

Hi ZeppelinFan:

Sorry for the late reply. Im keeping very busy maintaining and answering posts at our new site http://www.kvcd.net so I will probably be posting replies here a little late.

I've seen a program called Streambox VCR, but don't remember where now.

I know that program captures .rm streams, but not sure if it will convert to avi or mpeg.

kwag

[ZeppelinFan]

Kwag,

Thanx,
I will check into it and let you all know the deal on it. Unless anyone else may know already if this streambox vcr program captures and converts .rm/.ra (real player files) into .avi or any other file?

[lirasl]

I am experiencing a weird problem when using Kwag's template.
Although I get mpeg files that should fit in an 80min CD (i.e. 750 Mb) they actually do not!!
When using VCDEasy and preparing the CD image, a message appears "autopadding - hope it is right for you" and says that 240 million zeros should be added because unaligned blocks. This means that the image ends up in more than 900 Mb. When using Nero, after loading the file, it automatically shows more than 90 minutes in the duration bar.
What is wrong?

[...]

Yes, I tried your web samples and they work, as well as some of my own files (PAL). Surprisingly enough, it seems to be an intermitent problem with TMPGenc . In some cases, the resulting mpeg stream is ok and in some others it seems to be unaligned (not always - although in both cases they play ok with Windows Media). I have been tweaking several parameters of your template just in case, but I could not establish any correlation between parameters and misalignment (apparently it fails more when audio sampling rate is 48K instead of 44,1K, but not always, and demuxing and muxing definitively spoils the file. Still trying with several values of System->StreamType: MPEG-1 VideoCD (standard), (non-standard), (VBR)...).

Just for your information. I discovered the problem was due to the MPEG block size . In order to be compliant with VCD or XVCD its size has to be 2324 bytes (CD-XA specification) instead of 2048 (better for Hard disk or CD-ROM storage). This only happens if you select MPEG-1 VideoCD (standard) or (non-standard) in TMPGEnc as StreamType. If you select MPEG-1 (VBR) or (automatic) the block size will be 2048 bytes and the burner programs will pad it with zeroes up to 2324 bytes (a waste of 276 bytes per MPEG block ).

Thanks for your help.

Luis

[lirasl]

I would also like to say that in actuallity, a cdr-80 can hold roughly 717 megs, with over burn it can handle about 740 megs. which equals about 82 minutes when you look at the time frame in vcdeasy. It says it is like 800+ megs after vcdeasy adds the other files and such to make it into a vcd, but in all out reality the file itself can only be about 740 megs WITH OVERBURN. Example: If you look at a movie file with windows explorer and it says say.. 713 megs and then you take the mouse and go over the file it reads like 696 megs on the bottom of windows explorer. Do you guys know why it does this? But for you that say a 800 meg file can fit onto 1 cdr-80, I would have to say nope I don't think so, caause it just won't happen. Cause you go and watch the end of that movie, and it won't be there..lol Only up to 740 megs worth of the movie will be there. Does anyone agree with what I am saying here?

ZeppelinFan,

There are several modes for burning CDs. The most common is the CD-ROM specification (Yellow book), which writes the information in 2K size blocks. This means that the total capacity for CD-74/80 is about 650Mb/700Mb without overburning as you state. However, there is another specification for CD-Audio and CD-Video that uses 2336 byte size blocks (CD-ROM XA Mode 2 Form 2), which means a total capacity of 740Mb/800Mb respectively. The total amount of writtable blocks in both cases are the same, but because of the bigger block capacity, the total amount of user information is bigger in the second. The difference in block size is due to not using error correction information because audio and video information is less prone to noticeable effects when a reading error is produced.

The only difference that exists in Windows Explorer is the representation format. In the window you are seeing Kbytes (713,000 Kb) whereas in the bottom line you are seeing Mbytes (713,000/1,024 = 696 Mb).

Regards,

Luis

[kwag]

Hello everybody!

I've posted a new sample just encoded with the newest mods to the template.

It's from the movie "A Bugs Life", captured via S-Video and my WinTV Go card at 352x480. The file was captured at 29.97 and IVCT'ed with decomb.dll via AviSynth script.

The sample file size is 1.3MB and duration is 10 seconds.

It's sample #3 in the web site, and was encoded with the latest KVCD template, with the new modifications. The current templates posted in the site reflect the new changes made.

The changes to the template are described here:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43

Enjoy!,
kwag

[vhelp]

kwag,

guess you and i R late nighters, he,he...

Anyways, just finised d/l'ing your latest sample. It looked good for a
captured sample. I too have ben screwing around w/ captured samples.

Anyways, I was wondering how that very same clip would look, but w/
a res. of 352x240? ? Can you post sample, or does it look kind of
messed up. I've played around w/ you settings (old) though 12.3 wasn't
far from my 12.4 - LOL, but I've noticed that @ 352x240, it's quite blocky
or squary looking in the dark scenes, so is that sort of why you don't do
many (or any FTM) 352x240 encodes? ?

Well, anyways, I'm trying to tie up last minutes encodes b4 i head on ta
bedy-bye!

-vhelp

[Vejita-sama]

The problem we have is w/ the 2000kbit/s bitrate. And the classic MPEG encode = SVCD, when in fact it's an xSVCD.

That aside, we all know/agree you can lower the bitrate to get 130min+ on one 80min CDR. But 2000kbit/s is not that bitrate

[kwag]

kwag,

guess you and i R late nighters, he,he...

Anyways, just finised d/l'ing your latest sample. It looked good for a
captured sample. I too have ben screwing around w/ captured samples.

Anyways, I was wondering how that very same clip would look, but w/
a res. of 352x240? ? Can you post sample, or does it look kind of
messed up. I've played around w/ you settings (old) though 12.3 wasn't
far from my 12.4 - LOL, but I've noticed that @ 352x240, it's quite blocky
or squary looking in the dark scenes, so is that sort of why you don't do
many (or any FTM) 352x240 encodes? ?

Well, anyways, I'm trying to tie up last minutes encodes b4 i head on ta
bedy-bye!

-vhelp

Hi vhelp:

I always capture at 352x480, even if the target will be 352x240, so that I get both fields. If you capture at 352x240, you are loosing a field, and the results are wavy artifacts and loss of sharpness.

If you capture at 352x480 and use the template changed to 352x240, the results are very good. Just not as sharp as 352x480, but the file size is much smaller.

kwag

[vhelp]

kwag,

i'm up late again - had prob w/ my DV audio (the slow motion effect in
sound) anyways. . .

In reference to last nights post i made, 12.4 gops (I was just messing
around, thats all) anyays, and about the 352x240 issue mainly, I found
out what my trouble was, in vdub, i had too many filters on and the
temporal smoother (a killer) was causing too much of a lag between frames
and mouse movements, so somehow, a value either got pushed to far/high
a value or something. anyways, that really messed things up for me.
But, all is fixed and much better quality of 352x240 encodes, though
some still produce louzy blocks, though not cause by either methods I
use for ivtc/32 pulldown, etc.

As far as the preference of fields from 352x480 vs. 352x240 capturing,
that wasn't my issue, as i do understand the 240/480 issues.

later.

-vhelp

[wenkman]

yupp scissors.
this thing definetely works! i have tried this some time ago with the kingviper template as a starting point. it even takes 480x480 resulution and no extra letterboxing. but i guess the letterboxing will save you a lot of space additionally...

i can get around 120min on one cd in pretty good quality - looks just like divx.

hey scissors. i use pal movies to convert to single-cd-pal-svcds. i would like it to play on a a regular tv and a 16:9 (although i dont have none yet). do you know how i could modify the setting so that it would look good on both? using clip frame or the way you did using "center (custom size)"?


-- wenkman --

[bilbogod]

Damn...I see another thread has just broken the record for the most views.......time to bring a stop to that
I've just encoded Lolita (Kubrick version) onto 1 cd 147mins and absolutely no space to spare after adding the chapters.....I think total file size was 830 ish megs (I'll have to check when I get home tonight). Strange though since Farscape was 151 mins in colour (Lolita was in black and white) and yet Lolita makes a larger file size. Oh well.....thought black and white would increase the space savings yet more......

[kwag]

Damn...I see another thread has just broken the record for the most views.......time to bring a stop to that
I've just encoded Lolita (Kubrick version) onto 1 cd 147mins and absolutely no space to spare after adding the chapters.....I think total file size was 830 ish megs (I'll have to check when I get home tonight). Strange though since Farscape was 151 mins in colour (Lolita was in black and white) and yet Lolita makes a larger file size. Oh well.....thought black and white would increase the space savings yet more......

Hey bilbogod:

Yesterday I did "Hollow Man" with the new parameters in the new template.

Just barely made it in a single CD, with a little overburn.

Results, well, you already know

Also take a look at the samples posted here:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61


kwag

[stonefree]

y2fly , thanks for sharing some of your findings. i have been looking for a while (fit one movie on 1 cd).. im considering of giving it a try...

[kwag]

The first FAQ for KVCD related encoding has been posted.

There's a link at the main page at http://www.kvcd.net

Enjoy,
kwag

[y2flyy]

no prob stone
its been fun to help ppl out since Ive posted this thread
but kwag has def. went the extra mila
has a website,faq, message board and everything
id have to say that this is the most informative thread in the history of vcdhelp.com
it has helped me ALOT in everything about vcds and svcds,etc....
Y2flyy

[afrodeziak]

Is there a setting in TMPGENC where you can make the output mpg fill the whole screen of any TV you watch it on? Like you know how movies that are on cable or satellite, usually have the message that says, this picture has been modified to fit on tv or whatever. Is there a way to do this with a divx movie downloaded from p2p

[mol3000]

.asf ..... .smf...... i could never convert that bs format to vcd or nothing else i tried everything from version a of tmpgen to that crappy virtyual dub and nothing work...... please not start with that

[Cooly-O]

Keep your cool or this thread will be locked...

Things must be boring on the moderator front. These cats got things cool. Let the creative juices flow w/o the locked... threats.

[Shb13xyz]

A followup to an old topic.

One thing i noticed when playing back a svcd created using the King Viper template: I press the Display button on my standalone dvd player and the time is halved. If I have watched 20 minutes of a movie and press the display button, the screen will say I am 10 minutes into the movie. Makes sense.

[Akai Rounin]

afrodeziak asked, "Is there a setting in TMPGENC where you can make the output mpg fill the whole screen of any TV you watch it on? Like you know how movies that are on cable or satellite, usually have the message that says, this picture has been modified to fit on tv or whatever. Is there a way to do this with a divx movie downloaded from p2p"

short answer: No.

long answer: It can be done, but it ain't easy. It is almost easy if your original visible video is 16:9 aspect ratio. It is hard as heck if the original visible video is 2.35:1 instead.

Keep in mind the "formatted to fit your television" statement is for the sake of brevity, it is not entirely accurate. What has really happened is that one side of the frame has been hacked off so that the "most important" portion of a scene is shown. Yeah, like we really need to see some old British guy sipping his tea more than watching Bruce Lee accept his and give a respectful bow to an Elder (Enter The Dragon, in case you didn't know). If you watch closely when at the theatre, today's movies often have all the primary (in focus) actors stand to one side of a widescreen while events taking place in the background (or out of focus foreground) occupy the other side. On a scene by scene basis one side or the other is hacked off to make the remaining portion "fit the screen" of a 12:9 NTSC television set. This process requires quite a bit of editing and is referred to as "Pan & Scan". In older movies where each person is on opposite sides of the screen, when one side is hacked off the entire performance of that person is omitted in the scene. From time to time you will see the camera sort of pan across an empty scene while it tries to focus on that other person (hence leaving off the person it focused on before).

So, if you want to edit individual clips of your movie for each and every scene to make a series of MPG files that will "fit" your TV, it can be done using TMPGEnc, but it is NOT an automated process you have to WORK at it. Try playing around with "Settings | Advanced | Clip Frame" and other options within TMPGEnc. It is possible to just select one particular section of the screen to hack off in every scene, but it is unlikely the result would be satisfactory.

Toyoniya Hiyaku, Noromuoy!

Akai Rounin, The Cyber Sage

[kwag]

Ahh. Where else could I have posted this news bit.
In this thread, of course!

KVCD has come a long way.
So here's the latest!

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=214


Enjoy it!
kwag

[illusion116]

HI, I also have an Apex 1500, and when i encode my Divx (24fps) using TMPEG into 24fps Mpeg1 VCD, i get the same result you get - skips, jerks, stutters...

You mention to feed TMPEG with 24fps and tell it to encode at 29.97fps. By this do you mean to choose NTSC standard (29.97 fps) instead of NTSCFilm Standard (24fps) at the Wizard screen?

Thanks for your time!

[Faceman101]

Kwag,

Thanx,
I will check into it and let you all know the deal on it. Unless anyone else may know already if this streambox vcr program captures and converts .rm/.ra (real player files) into .avi or any other file?

EOVideo does a great job in doing so.

[PsyDonia]

Y2Flyy.
You say that the final output format is .asf how can yu burn an asf movie as an svcd or is the asf movie only in SVCD Quality....

can someone post the tutorial plz? step by step plz

[y2flyy]

bump

[zero_net]

I would like a tutorial on converting avi to asf with windows media encoder.
i have version 9 and i cant find where it converts to asf format.


acutally i would like tutorial and the whole " fitting 120min on 1 cd " i dont have time to read 20 pages .

[EnNiS]

yo i just noticed this post, ive been away for awhile
i see there are 20 pages
hmmm
i read 2, can sum1 sum it up??
is it proven, does this work???
if so is there a guide, a detailed guide including all the steps (liek dvd rip avi to the asf, asf to mpeg2) etc.

and all that shit, justa summary and a guide please
peace