New DVD Burner

[pepegot1]

Does anybody know if the Samsung: Model SH-S222A, from Newegg, is a 40 or 80 pin IDE drive? Also, the Pioneer: DVR-118LBK?

[budz]

Does anybody know if the Samsung: Model SH-S222A, from Newegg, is a 40 or 80 pin IDE drive? Also, the Pioneer: DVR-118LBK?

All new IDE dvd burners require a 80 wire IDE cable.

[CobraPilot]

Do the newer mbs give the alert that a 40-pin IDE cable is in use on an IDE channel every time at bootup, or only when an 80-pin cable is needed by the newer device on that channel?

[budz]

If a 80 wire IDE cable isn't used the IDE dvd burner won't function correctly. Older IDE dvd burners won't be affected by this. From the BENQ 1620 to 1655 dvd burners 80 wire IDE cables needed to be used. The same goes for PIONEER drives from the 112 series and up.

[CobraPilot]

This I understand, budz. What I'm trying to determine is if the mere use of a 40-pin cable, when a 40-pin is all that's needed, will still produce the alert that an 80-pin cable isn't being used; i.e., just an "FYI" alert vs. a "warning" that you're using the wrong cable when an 80-pin is required.

I ask this because there might be a time when you have an older IDE device, but are unsure if a 40- or 80-pin cable is required. Obviously, to be safe it is better, perhaps, to always use an 80-pin cable.

[budz]

^^^you answered your own question..."to always use an 80 pin cable".
there's no warning other than the device not working correctly.

[lordsmurf]

I haven't owned a 40-pin cable in probably 10 years now.

[alfresco]

Just to clarify, all IDE (PATA) cables are 40 pin. But newer ones use 80 conductors, the extra 40 conductors were added to reduce crosstalk, but still the same ends. Hard drives had used the 80 conductor cables for quite some time. Some older PCs with a CD drive on a separate controller might have a 40 conductor cable. They're easy to tell apart without having to count wires. The 40 conductor cable looks very similar to a floppy cable for wire size, while the 80 conductor would be the one attached to a hard drive and have much smaller conductors.

[CobraPilot]

budz sez:

"^^^you answered your own question...'to always use an 80 pin cable'.
there's no warning other than the device not working correctly."

Actually, that's a "one size fits all" solution, not an answer, but one that makes perfect sense to follow.

However, my question goes unanswered, perhaps because of my poor formulation. I'll try again.

If a m/b designed to detect the need for an 80-wire IDE cable to be connected to an 80-wire IDE device gives a warning when a 40-wire cable is used to connect the 80-wire device (as an "alert" or "warning"), does it also do so when a 40-wire cable is connected to a 40-wire device (just as an "FYI")?

I've looked at several sources online that seem to cover only the "alert"/"warning" situation when the WRONG cable is used. If it is always a warning, then the user would know to change cables. If it can be an "FYI", the user doesn't know for sure.

[lordsmurf]

Yeah, 80 wires --

[budz]

budz sez:

"^^^you answered your own question...'to always use an 80 pin cable'.
there's no warning other than the device not working correctly."

Actually, that's a "one size fits all" solution, not an answer, but one that makes perfect sense to follow.

However, my question goes unanswered, perhaps because of my poor formulation. I'll try again.

If a m/b designed to detect the need for an 80-wire IDE cable to be connected to an 80-wire IDE device gives a warning when a 40-wire cable is used to connect the 80-wire device (as an "alert" or "warning"), does it also do so when a 40-wire cable is connected to a 40-wire device (just as an "FYI")?

I've looked at several sources online that seem to cover only the "alert"/"warning" situation when the WRONG cable is used. If it is always a warning, then the user would know to change cables. If it can be an "FYI", the user doesn't know for sure.

Why are you being so technical? How hard is it to understand that there's no warning/alert telling you a wrong cable is being use! I mentioned if a using a 40 wire ide cable is used on the latest dvd burner models the drives will not function correctly. BTW you're going off topic to what the OP asked.

[CobraPilot]

budz sez:

Why are you being so technical? How hard is it to understand that there's no warning/alert telling you a wrong cable is being use! I mentioned if a using a 40 wire ide cable is used on the latest dvd burner models the drives will not function correctly.

You're right, I did get off topic a bit, but my curiosity was based on the 40/80 wire initial question which I took from a specific to a generic perspective. As to being too technical . . . not particularly when compared to some other threads on this board.

And, of course, you CAN get an onscreen warning that an 80-wire cable is not being used, despite your assurances to the contrary. I've seen it on more than one occasion on different m/b's. The question was, and is, the "warning only" or "FYI" when a 40-wire cable is used.

Anyone else know?