AviSynth function to add SUP subtitles?

[MilesAhead]

I know I can use TextSub() AviSynth function to add text subs and VobSub() function to hard code idx/sub subs. But does anyone know how to add selectable .sup subtitles in an AviSynth script?

[txporter]

Looks like this is one: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=148167

[MilesAhead]

Yeah, I looked at that.. but it looks like it's for hard subbing. I can already do that with idx/sub and VobSub(). What I'd like to find is a way to soft sub .sup subtitles in standard dvd. I know there's a way to do it because many authoring programs soft sub using an external .sup file. Plus it's for BluRay subs.

[poisondeathray]

no

When you use avisynth , you have to re-encode. Soft subs are always a function of the multiplexing tool

[MilesAhead]

I understand what you are saying. I'm looking for an easy way to use HcEnc on just the video stream and mux in the audio and subs later. I'd use MuxMan to try that out. But at this point I'm using FAVC anyway to downsize to standard DVD9, so it really doesn't cost me anything to add the subtitles using the .avs script.

Anyone know how to soft sub using .sup file within an .avs script?

[poisondeathray]

I understand what you are saying. I'm looking for an easy way to use HcEnc on just the video stream and mux in the audio and subs later. I'd use MuxMan to try that out. But at this point I'm using FAVC anyway to downsize to standard DVD9, so it really doesn't cost me anything to add the subtitles using the .avs script.

Anyone know how to soft sub using .sup file within an .avs script?

Then perhaps I don't know what you're asking.

Avisynth can only be used to hardsub; softsubs have nothing to do with avisynth or encoding. You add soft subs in later with your authoring tool

Maybe you're looking to convert .sup to something else? Is that what you're asking? Are you wanting to convert blu-ray subs to DVD idx/sub soft sub format? If so , use BDSup2Sub

[MilesAhead]

Ok. I think I got the impression TextSub() did soft subs because I saw it in a script with .srt subs. But I guess if you say it's all hard subs then this must be just the type of source it can handle.

Looks like what I'll need to do is delve into the FAVC produced batch files and see how the subtitles for soft subs are being added to the muxing step. Thanks for the replies.

[manono]

It looks like FAVC only allows the addition of SRT subs, which is a major failing, I would think. If you absolutely have to use FAVC, then after it's done you'll have to demux (PGCDemux) add in your SUP file and remux (Muxman), followed by sticking the new DVD with SUP subs back into the FAVC one (VobBlanker).

If you have the source DVD, why use FAVC at all? It looks like AVS2DVD supports SUP files:

AVStoDVD release 1.2.0 (November 17th, 2007)
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- Removed support to txt-based subs and added support to Scenartist/IfoEdit compatible subs.

If that means it supports VobSubs (although IFOEdit only supports SUP when authoring), then SUP can instantly be converted to VOBSUBs (IDX/SUB) with SubtitleCreator.

[MilesAhead]

Thanks for the reply. I did get it to take .sup in FAVC by editing the batch file. But I didn't take into account the colors. It created a sub with a red/blue mixture. I could probably use another tool to adjust it. At this point it seems the easiest way to go with good results is to hard sub with idx/sub. In FAVC in the Advanced Tab I can specify the resize filter to reduce res. to NTSC and also put in the VobSub line to hard sub the idx/sub subtitles. That way I don't have to edit the batch or .avs scripts. Just hit the go button. Maybe I'll mess around more with .sup later as I learn more about it. So far the hard sub I did with idx/sub looks the best. Of course I can't turn the subs off but that's no big deal until I have an English movie with a few forced subs. Then I'll have to deal with that issue.

[MilesAhead]

btw I was using AVStoDVD to convert .mkv to dvd9 and getting good results. When I tried FAVC I was getting jaggies. But I found that using Spline16Resize to downsize to NTSC res. made all the difference. On my quad core I can convert .mkv to a DVD9 in less than 3 hours using HCenc predictive quant in FAVC. Full dual pass might look just a tad better, but I'd really have to do a side by side comparison to tell the difference. Looks good on my upscaling DVD player.

[manono]

But I didn't take into account the colors. It created a sub with a red/blue mixture.

Easily fixed afterwards using either DVDSubEdit or PGCEdit.

[MilesAhead]

It was DVDSubEdit then. I played around with the palette and stuff maybe a year ago. For some reason when I authored the DVD VLC media player kept showing subs/no subs in the menu. I got distracted and just reauthored with the .srt. Next time I'll mess around with DVDSubEdit. I've been using it for OCR stuff. Thanks for the tips.

edit: ok, now I remember changing the CLUT colors. You're right. It's pretty easy.