Can someone help with backing up blu rays with the Hauppauge hd pvr?

[budwzr]

Also keep in mind that Blu-ray players sold after the end of this year will not be allowed to output high definition analog signals. And players sold after 2013 will not be allowed to have any analog outputs at all.

Whoo Hoo, my Sharp BD player may be worth a fortune soon.

[budwzr]

Maybe it's related to the Image Constraint Token.

That's going to be the big wakeup call to a lot of people thinking HDMI was the bomb. It literally IS the bomb.

[jagabo]

Thanks. I'll see if I can use it, it seems a bit complicated. I think I have to create some graphical structure or something.

Here's an example of a capture graph for the HD PVR:



On the far right is the Dump filter -- it just takes whatever it gets and writes it to a file. Use Graph -> Add Filters to add each of those filters, configure the filters (right click and select Properties), attach the pins as indicated, and press the Play button. Once you have a working graph you can save it for easy access in the future.

[longaniza]

Jagabo, thanks. I downloaded the graphstudio, but I can't see the Hauppauge filters, under 'Insert filters'

[jagabo]

I downloaded the graphstudio, but I can't see the Hauppauge filters, under 'Insert filters'

Is the HD PVR turned on and the USB cable plugged in? Did Windows recognize the device and make the connect sound? If not the filters don't show up.

[longaniza]

Ok. Almost done. Still looking for capt.ts
Can't see it

[jagabo]

Ok. Almost done. Still looking for capt.ts
Can't see it

If you didn't specify a full path it's probably in the GraphStudio folder. Use the Browse button when you add the Dump filter -- that way you specify the full path and you know where you put it.

[longaniza]

Well, thanks. It works now. No copy restriction. But resolution is very poor. Like a poor phone video.

[jagabo]

Did you record an HD channel or an SD channel? As far as I know, the HD PVR can only record at the frame size of input. Ie, 1080i records as 1920x1080, 720p at 1280x720, 480i at 720x480. As to the compression quality, right click on the filters and select the bitrate you want, before you start recording. Use MediaInfo to check the properties of your TS files.

It's possible that your Desh Network receiver downscales HD to SD for component output when the Image Constraint Token is present.

[longaniza]

Here some screen snapshots.
I see everything fine.

[yoda313]

I've never used the graph edit or doing the stuff you are doing but one thing does look odd. I have comcast and a motorola hd dvr. When I use my hd pvr the arcsoft software reports 60fps when I use my component input. I'm not sure how you have 30fps. Is that normally what you get when use the supplied arcsoft software? Something might be mixing the signal up and making it look funky.

[longaniza]

arcsoft software reports 30fps
Input signal is 1080i from VIP612 Dish Network receiver

[jagabo]

With the HD PVR 720p is always 60 fps, 1080i is always 30 fps.

That cap looks very strange. Have you tried recording a channel that shouldn't be protected? Like PBS. Could you provide a short sample? Say, 5 seconds.

[longaniza]

Attached a couple of samples

[jagabo]

The unprotected CNN cap looks fine. But the protected cap looks similar to your earlier screen cap. I've never seen my HD PVR do that (though we don't subscribe to any premium channels). Can you connect the component output of the Dish box directly to the TV? Do the premium channels look normal there? The Dish box may be degrading the component output in an attempt to block the analog hole. AACS (one of the copy protection schemes used on Blu-ray) rules require that analog outputs be degraded after 2010 (and eliminated completely in 2013). But not by that much.

FYI: my cable box will not output to both HDMI and component at the same time. I can use one or the other but not both. I have to unplug the HDMI cable any time I want to record with the HD PVR. If you are using HDMI for the TV you might try removing the HDMI cable as a test.

[longaniza]

Both outputs work fine at the same time.
Both protected and unprotected material shows fine on TV (analog out)

Also Arcsoft recording software display the protected video very well (preview window).

[budwzr]

In those post #70 images of the HD-PVR settings, I don't have all those tabs across the top, latency, filters, etc.

If that's the Japanese firmware, why is it in English?

And why can't the OP download an American firmware and just change it out?

P.S. My HD-PVR is one of the first models when they first came out. The reason I picked it up so fast was I was afraid if it got popular they would cripple it. I never updated my firmware because of that too, so if you need the firmware, I have it.

[longaniza]

The PVR1212 says in the bottom

49001 LF
REV E1

The problem with earlier version, is that there is a little difference in time between audio and video, in dolby digital.
That's why I upgrade it, from the Hp website (they fixed it, I think this happens when using dish network receivers)
But I could try your old one.

[budwzr]

PM me and give me your e-mail. The file size is 360MB, limit here is 30. I'm zipping the whole setup cd. It has all the original everything.

P.S. If you brick your unit. don't blame me. Not that I have any reason to think you will.

[jagabo]

P.S. My HD-PVR is one of the first models when they first came out. The reason I picked it up so fast was I was afraid if it got popular they would cripple it. I never updated my firmware because of that too, so if you need the firmware, I have it.

Same here!

[jagabo]

Wait, I just noticed the bitrate on the bad TS recording is only about 1600 kbps. The good recording is more like 9000 kbps. Check the bitrate settings again. Try CBR 10000 or thereabouts.

[longaniza]

Again thanks you all for your help. Solving this I know will help others so this thread will be very appreciated.
Attached a file with all filters settings.
Bit rate is set to 13500 constant.

I see the video fine in the preview windows, so maybe the issue is in the PVR ENCODER filter.
If I could replace this filter with an older one, I think this could be a nice test.

The filter is ksproxy.ax, located in windows\system32.
I could try one of those older one. What do you think?

[jagabo]

I don't have several of those dialogs in my setup either. On the Virtual Video Out tab (one of the items I don't have) of the Capture Device dialog there are a few fields that say 720x480 instead of 1920x1080. That strikes me as a little odd since everywhere else it says the frame size is 1920x1080. Make sure the crossbar filter shows video is taken from the YRYBY input. That's about all I can think of.

[yoda313]

(one of the items I don't have) of the Capture Device dialog there are a few fields that say 720x480 instead of 1920x1080. That strikes me as a little odd since everywhere else it says the frame size is 1920x1080.

I have never used this stuff but I could offer a conjecture on this point. Could it possibly be showing this in a menu off the dvr? If you are doing this while in the menu of a dvr is that truly 1080i? Or is the menu actually 480?

That might be the only thing throwing this off - unless the poster is switching back and forth to a standard defintion channel and not realizing it?

[longaniza]

No, the system works fine for non protected material, resolutions, quality etc.
So I don't think it is related to menu changes.