Can someone help with backing up blu rays with the Hauppauge hd pvr?

[fritzi93]

Some BD players add the CGMS-A flag, some do not.

So...apparently TME honors the CGMS-A flag, when present. That's the only possibility making sense to me at this point.

I'll be interested to know if the OP can solve this with a different capture program.

[SHS]

So...apparently TME honors the CGMS-A flag, when present. That's the only possibility making sense to me at this point.

I'll be interested to know if the OP can solve this with a different capture program.

What more interesting is now have Slim PS3 in front of me for a short time with ver 3.10 and I'm able to Rec using TME

[SHS]

Update PS3 to 3.15

[SHS]

I was still able to rec with ver 3.15 install on PS3 so that can't be it.
I don't know what tell you
The test was done with Transformers 2
Maybe it the Moive you have that doing it

[fritzi93]

Maybe it the Movie you have that doing it

That occurred to me too. I wonder is that flag present on all discs? Only new discs?

Tried another movie?

[jagabo]

Maybe it's related to the Image Constraint Token.

[fritzi93]

yes i think it comes down to the hd-pvr because I just tried hooking it up to a sony bdp-bx2 and i still get the message.

That's the Costco-only version of the Sony BDP-S360, isn't it? To repeat, I can dub from my BDP-S360.

[jagabo]

So what we have is this:

1) If the disc is flagged "do not copy",
2) AND if the player propogates that flag to the composite video signal (CGMS-A),
3) AND if the HD PVR detects and passes that flag in the transport stream,
4) AND if the driver or software can detect that flag,

you get a "cannot copy" message.

[mbrandt]

ok so i tried basically all of the other programs that could work and the only one that i was even able to get a picture with was sage tv, but the picture was so horrible that you couldn't even see what was happening. I also tried installing the software on another computer in the house but I still got the copy protection message.

My ps3 has version 3.15 already installed

it's not the movie because i have tried a lot of different titles and they all get that message right at start-up

and yes the bdp-bx2 is the costco version of the bdp-s360 so I don't understand why I can't even record from that? (I guess that rules out the actual blu ray player being the problem)

[fritzi93]

Maybe it's related to the Image Constraint Token.

I was under the impression that the ICT had not *yet* been implemented. Forced down-scaling would of course screw people with early HDTVs that don't support HDCP.

[jagabo]

I was under the impression that the ICT had not *yet* been implemented. Forced down-scaling would of course screw people with early HDTVs that don't support HDCP.

From what I've read support exists in all the hardware. Only a few discs have flagged it though. It doesn't seem to be the OP's problem because he's said he's tried several discs.

[jagabo]

ok so i tried basically all of the other programs that could work and the only one that i was even able to get a picture with was sage tv

Did you try GraphEdit or GraphStudio? They're a little tricky but the instructions a ARogan's site should help.

[SHS]

After doing some checking the only thing that may possable be cuasing this is VBI which HD-PVR don't support (Very Odd)
Some else has to be cuasing TME to honors CGMS-A flag, when present.
Maybe your setup some other codec or driver as in software or apps you have install cuasing this check in TME go to utilities goto Blu-ray/HD DVD Guide what it showing there?.
Try turning off or disable closed captions on PS3 and Bluray Player
Don't have composite, svideo input hook up and component video hook all at the same time and make sure component cable are hook rigth.

[jagabo]

Could it be something in the audio signal? Mbrandt, are you using the optical audio input or the RCA inputs? In any case, try disconnecting the audio inputs to the HD PVR. See if that makes any difference.

[mbrandt]

ok so i wasn't really able to make any progress with graphedit or graphstudio so i kinda gave up on those.

all my connections are good and I've tried unhooking audio completely but that didn't do anything.

however under utilities in the Blu-ray/HD DVD guide i think i may have found something (but i could be completely wrong).
so everything says yes except for the blu-ray and hd/dvd but that's because i don't have a blu-ray or hd-dvd drive. but under connector type it says internal (not HDCP compliant) and i'm wondering if that could be my problem and if so what does that mean?

[jagabo]

ok so i wasn't really able to make any progress with graphedit or graphstudio so i kinda gave up on those.

Did you try using rcGraphBuilder at ARogan's site? It makes building a graph very simple. Turn on the HD PVR and your component video source. Start up TME to verify you can see the video. Exit TME and start rcGraphBuilder. Press the Build HD PVR Capture button. Press Save. That will produce a file called hdpvrcap.grf. Double click on that file to open it with GraphEdit. Or start GraphEdit and open the .grf file. Press the Play button. That will produce a recording called File Dump. Rename the file with a .TS extension -- "File Dump.ts". Play it...

everything says yes except for the blu-ray and hd/dvd but that's because i don't have a blu-ray or hd-dvd drive. but under connector type it says internal (not HDCP compliant) and i'm wondering if that could be my problem and if so what does that mean?

Connector type of what? The graphics card?

In any case, that utility is for checking your computer for compatibility with Blu-ray disc playback. Playing Blu-ray discs requires a secure (from copying) system from the Blu-ray drive to the display. It shouldn't mean anything regarding recording component video with the HD PVR.

[SHS]

I need to know the hardware VID/PID unit you have see below screenshot

[mbrandt]

ok i think this is what you wanted

[mbrandt]

ok so i'm trying to use rcGraphBuilder but when I click on build hd pvr capture graph it says "failed building graph, check log for details." when i check the log it says "ERROR: can't find filter: File Dump"

[jagabo]

File Dump should have been included in the ArcSoft package. Do you have it installed now?

I think the Dump filter that comes with some versions of GraphEdit will work. Here's a copy. Extract DUMP.AX and REGISTER.BAT to your GraphEdit folder. Then run REGISTER.BAT by double clicking on it. After that rcGraphBuilder should work.

[SHS]

mbrandt there was a small batch HD-PVR units that were intended for US, but end up being misprogrammed for Japan.
You got a misprogrammed unit you should have it RMA through tech support.
That why it not work rigth.

[jagabo]

So the Japanese version is supposed to obey CGMS-A?

[SHS]

So the Japanese version is supposed to obey CGMS-A?

Japanese has a D-terminal component input so it does not have standard component inputs (red, green, blue) like we have in USA.
No it has nothing to do with CGMS-A

[jagabo]

Japanese has a D-terminal component input so it does not have standard component inputs (red, green, blue) like we have in USA.
No it has nothing to do with CGMS-A

Then why can he see the image while previewing? And why does TME report "Copy Protection: no copies can be made of the content"?

[SHS]

Then why can he see the image while previewing? And why does TME report "Copy Protection: no copies can be made of the content"?

Hauppauge Engineering didn't tell me that part but if I had to guests maybe the encoder writing exta bits that shouldn't be there after all it Japanese ver spec even know it base on Japan NTSC spec so there not 100% the same with US spec so some how it trip TME into thinking it Copy Protection so it dosen't allow it to Record

[jagabo]

Hauppauge Engineering didn't tell me that part but if I had to guests maybe the encoder writing exta bits that shouldn't be there after all it Japanese ver spec even know it base on Japan NTSC spec so there not 100% the same with US spec so some how it trip TME into thinking it Copy Protection so it dosen't allow it to Record

I hope you/they are right!

[longaniza]

I have the same problem here, using a Dish Network VIP612 receiver.
Only happens with some programs, specifically from Hbo.

So the 1212 and the recording software is indeed detecting the copy protection signal.

[jagabo]

I have the same problem here, using a Dish Network VIP612 receiver.
Only happens with some programs, specifically from Hbo.

So the 1212 and the recording software is indeed detecting the copy protection signal.

Try capturing with a capture graph in Graphedit or GraphStudio.

[longaniza]

Thanks. I'll see if I can use it, it seems a bit complicated. I think I have to create some graphical structure or something.

[budwzr]

When the HD PVR first hit the streets it was confirmed that it ignored CGMS-A. That was one of its attractions. So this is a new developement. Either newer models or newer software now responds to the CGMS-A do-not-copy flag.

Whoo-Hoo, I have one of the first models. Maybe worth a whole bunch now.