LOTR to SVCD problems

[Vorlon]

I currently use SmartRipper, then DVD2AVI. Next I feed the dv file created by DVD2AVI to TMPGEnc to encode to SVCD. I have no trouble with regular movies, except for having to occasionally having to switch the field order from A to B or B to A. (I haven't figured out why some are in different order than others).

The problem: Animated movies such as Lord of the Rings seem to have the same look as if the field order is incorrect (jerkiness, etc), but when I reverse the order - it appears to have the same problem.

Am I missing something?

Thanks for any help.

I had a problem much like that. The film would be jerky or slow down. Playing the VCD again and again fixed but it was a pain. I watched my VCD LOTR six times before it stop. If you find out a easy fix let me know. I am sick of LOTR right now.

[Vorlon]

Thanks for responding.
I know of the problem (if it is the same) that you are mentioning and that problem is due to the data rate being faster than your system or player can receive for that particular media. (In the same player, data on DVD media can be received faster than the data on CD media.)

Let me know if I am incorrect about the above.

Slow movement does not cause the ghosty, jerky effect of the movie characters that fast movement of the character does. It has the "frame out of sequence" look (my definition) - what I mean is that the following frame field is shown before instead of normally after. This causes a preceding ghost of the image that jerks whenever movement occurs.

In animated movies, such as LOTR however, this preceding ghost during fast movement occurs no matter which field is set to be first.

I am thinking that there is something else to do - on other animated movies, I have tried reverse telecine as well, but that makes it worse.

Thanks again for any help.

[stanwebber]

if your source is even/lower/bottom-field first it might help to manually swap the field order in virtualdub or avisynth & encode odd/upper/top-field first. you really shouldn't have to do this, but i have noticed it helps a little with some low-end players

[Vorlon]

Thanks for your help. I discovered that the problem that I had with SVCD encoding animation rips using TMPGEnc was two-fold. Although, it did not seem to be a difference when I set the field order to Field B first, instead of Field A, there was a field out of order problem. The combination problem was that I needed to change the seting in the Quantize matrix to CG/Animation and to change the Field order to Bottom field first (Field B).

The result was beautiful.

Just wanted to pass on the solution in case anyone else had the same problem.

Vorlon

[proton]

Animated? I got the real thing on svcd, on 4 cdr's