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[TimA-C]

OCGW, you really do seem to be missing deadrats' point. May I suggest that you chill out for a bit and then go back and re-read his early posts in this thread.

If he's right about the changes in the api, then "we" should be concerned and I'm amazed that none of you get that? I'm not going to lose any sleep over it as there's always a window of opportunity for any new virus between it being released and the security software downloading the updates to detect and fix it, and there will probably always be some viruses that just slip through the best of the popular security packages, but I don't really want MS to make the virus writer's job any easier either!

Oh, and making over $100K doesn't necessarily make you an expert programmer! I know plenty of contractors who were making double that and more writing code for Ministry of Defence contracts, the Civil Aviation Authority, and even British Gas, and quite a few of them had problems just setting up their e-mail accounts at home let alone doing anything as exotic as writing a "Hello World" program that would run on Windows! Of course, making over $100K doesn't necessarily NOT make you an expert programmer either but, judging from your posts in this thread and the fact that you've stated several times that you're not, I'd guess that you're not an expert programmer. Apologies if I'm wrong.

[ocgw]

OCGW, you really do seem to be missing deadrats' point. May I suggest that you chill out for a bit and then go back and re-read his early posts in this thread.

If he's right about the changes in the api, then "we" should be concerned and I'm amazed that none of you get that? I'm not going to lose any sleep over it as there's always a window of opportunity for any new virus between it being released and the security software downloading the updates to detect and fix it, and there will probably always be some viruses that just slip through the best of the popular security packages, but I don't really want MS to make the virus writer's job any easier either!

Oh, and making over $100K doesn't necessarily make you an expert programmer! I know plenty of contractors who were making double that and more writing code for Ministry of Defence contracts, the Civil Aviation Authority, and even British Gas, and quite a few of them had problems just setting up their e-mail accounts at home let alone doing anything as exotic as writing a "Hello World" program that would run on Windows! Of course, making over $100K doesn't necessarily NOT make you an expert programmer either but, judging from your posts in this thread and the fact that you've stated several times that you're not, I'd guess that you're not an expert programmer. Apologies if I'm wrong.

"Chill"? I am cool as a cucumber baby! He is the one that needs to "collect himself"

I have read and understand everything that deadrats has said, I also believe that deadrats has blown his point "way out of proportion"

I just can't "get worked up" about this vulnerability he has pointed out, especially when he says himself you have to leave your system wide open to be vulnerable

simply doesn't take an "expert programmer" to understand that the biggest vulnerability of a computer is IFOTK (in front of the keyboard)

worst case scenario i get more business

I never said I am a expert programmer, however I have college computer training and practical experience enough to know that what he is worried about isn't something I don't need to worry about

I am looking @ the "big picture", and sorry, this vulnerability just doesn't make it on to my radar

He made the analogy between himself and I like he is the doctor and I am the dumb patient that won't listen

He said my customers should "bulldoze" my new ranch because, "I am no better than the geek squad" when in actuality I have been making a pretty nice living building and repairing sophisticated multi-million dollar equipment, and engineering experimental prototype vehicles for the last 2 decades and am well respected in my organization for learning and implementing new technology, producing high quality, difficult trouble shooting while cutting costs and generating profits

Where I work we are not only competing in the domestic and global automotive markets, we are also competing against engineering subcontractors and other GM Engineering facilities for business

In my position I have to be a master of many trades and disciplines, not just 1 narrow area

I am a veteran running w/ the big dogs homey, I don't sweat the little chit

or then again maybe only you and deadrats have the insight to understand this threat and all of the rest of us are just dummies that need to take our apps down to best buy?? rotflmao

ps. like you said, you are not going to lose any sleep over this, why should we?

and I damn sure am not going to hide cowering in a cave (XP) w/ my tail between my legs

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on my entire 4 PC gigabit home network baby!! Yeeee! Haaaaaa!

If you are prepared, a nasty infection or hardware failure is only a minor inconvenience anyway, pfff

ocgw

peace

[The village idiot]

Check out the Mac use of sudo, it does not always ask for a password. It should but does not always do so. Then again the Mac implementation of freeBSD does not do a lot of things that it should be doing.

[deadrats]

Check out the Mac use of sudo, it does not always ask for a password. It should but does not always do so. Then again the Mac implementation of freeBSD does not do a lot of things that it should be doing.

i did a bit of digging and it seems that apple has done something quite odd with OS X, by default the root account is disabled, so if you need to change any system configuration you need to use sudo but the kick in the ass is that the main user account has admin privileges!?!?

that's why sudo isn't asking for a password, the account you are using has the effective permissions of root just with a different name, thus there is no need for a password.

extremely odd, it completely defeats the point of permissions and limited user accounts, a knowledgeable virus writer could potentially exploit the shell via this vulnerability to wreck all types of damage, such as create a daemon that runs in the background and collects passwords and emails them back to the author, delete all your media files without your knowledge, lock you out of your own of your own pc, i can think of numerous ways to exploit such a configuration.

it's appalling that apple would change the default behavior of sudo like this, hell, they changed the default behavior of bsd, i guess they don't think their customers are tech savvy enough to deal with a limited user account.

[ocgw]

Check out the Mac use of sudo, it does not always ask for a password. It should but does not always do so. Then again the Mac implementation of freeBSD does not do a lot of things that it should be doing.

i did a bit of digging and it seems that apple has done something quite odd with OS X, by default the root account is disabled, so if you need to change any system configuration you need to use sudo but the kick in the ass is that the main user account has admin privileges!?!?

that's why sudo isn't asking for a password, the account you are using has the effective permissions of root just with a different name, thus there is no need for a password.

extremely odd, it completely defeats the point of permissions and limited user accounts, a knowledgeable virus writer could potentially exploit the shell via this vulnerability to wreck all types of damage, such as create a daemon that runs in the background and collects passwords and emails them back to the author, delete all your media files without your knowledge, lock you out of your own of your own pc, i can think of numerous ways to exploit such a configuration.

it's appalling that apple would change the default behavior of sudo like this, hell, they changed the default behavior of bsd, i guess they don't think their customers are tech savvy enough to deal with a limited user account.

So I guess we are stuck w/ Linux and XP huh? lol

ocgw

peace

[redwudz]

This thread has been going nowhere and I think it's ran it's course. Locked.