Is it true next year no making of the Plasma's Just LCDs

[marionr26]

I heard guy talking about that. So are LCDs the thing to buy and not the Plasma.....Got a good deal if I want it on a Samsung 52 DLP Plasma for 600.00 works great.

[MOVIEGEEK]

Buy a HDTV that has a good picture and if you can get a good price then that's a bonus, that's a good price on the Samsung.
I think plasma's days are numbered because their sales are dropping and the energy requirements are getting more stringent.

[handyguy]

Where did you read that? There are going to be plasmas, they just have to meet power requirements for California & I think they have already done that.

[qpskfec]

dlp and plasma are not the same thing

Panasonic, LG, and Samsung continue to make plasmas

[greymalkin]

what does it matter if they stop making them? "they" stopped making my truck 11 years ago, yet somehow it still gets me to work and back every day. If you look around your house I'm sure you'll find many things that are no longer in production.

if anything you'll score a cood deal if they are on the way out. and as the person above said, a dlp plasma is like saying you own a honda chevy (keeping with the automobile analogies)

[orsetto]

Plasma has all but disappeared in the more popular consumer screen sizes, but will continue to be produced on a limited basis for the really huge household screens. Outside the home, plasma is thriving: huge year-on-year growth for industrial/advertising/professional displays. If you can get a really good deal on a Panasonic or Pioneer plasma, grab it: theres no reason to avoid plasma unless you simply don't like it. The energy requirements have very little to do with plasmas household demise, its primarily a case of consumers prefering the matte surface of LCD screens to the glossy glass screen surface of plasma, plus the ever-annoying "wife acceptance factor" (he says, "look how bright contrasty and clear the plasma is", she says, "yuck! forget it! the lcd is half the thickness and would look so chic hanging on the wall, even though you know and I know we'll never hang it on the wall and its image looks like sh*t compared to the plasma"). Add in the brain-dead drumbeating from Consumer Reports and its ilk, who've been disparaging plasma for years, and you've got an unstoppable trend toward LCD.

Those who are non-plussed by LCD will eventually have other options. Sony's promising OLED technology has dropped back into vaporware at sizes any larger than an iPhone due to intractable production costs, but Canon's moribund SED concept seems poised for re-introduction. Hollywood is hell-bent on forcing 3D into all new displays by 2012, which will also shake things up.

[neworldman]

Until they have a answer for Plasma technology they will always be around. I have owned all HD displays and Plasma is BY FAR the best. Most people believe the advertisement of OLED & LCD's. I have owned them they don't compare.

You can spend thousands of dollars more for LED, LCD display and still not have a picture as good as a plasma due to the differences in technology.

1. In a room with average and/or low ambient light, plasma gives a much deeper black level which means more saturated colors and detail in the picture. Set up properly you will see a sharper and more 3-D looking image because plasma has more dynamic gray scale range (depth). More steps in tonal range as the difference between black and white is greater. A plasma TV is brighter than any CRT (tube) TV so the brightness issue many talk about is a moot point.

2. Plasma's have much better off axis viewing picture quality as opposed to LCD that degrades quickly when viewed from the side, above/below the screen.

3. Plasma delivers far better color accuracy as it can render deeper, richer colors and can blend tones better than LCDs and generates a larger color pallet.

4. Plasma TV's do not suffer from motion blur as they have 600 Hz sub-fields so the image can maintain its quality longer than LCDs which degrade immediately after being charged. (that is when the image signal is sent to the panel). The response time of a plasma display is measured in microseconds rather than milliseconds, that is at least 1000 times faster, hence another reason for no motion blur/smear.

5. In larger display sizes, plasma TV's cost less, sometimes much less yet still deliver a better picture for all of the above mentioned reasons.

6. Plasma TV's look more like your old CRT display rather than a computer monitor.

7. Plasma TV's have long life, most are rated at a 60,000 hour half life. Panasonic projects their plasma TV's will last at least 100,000 hours.

8. The myths surrounding plasma TV's like the gas has to be recharged, they have short lifespans, they are power hogs, they burn in easily and the like are just that, myths and are in fact not true at all.

9. Plasma TV's are much, much better for gaming due to the rapid response times, better color gamut, better back levels and shadow detail.


So there you have it – plasma is the clearly superior technology for many reasons. Don't let the bright, high intensity lighting in the stores fool you into thinking that LCD panels look better, if you had that type of lighting in your home they would, but no one does. Besides, having that bright ambient light makes the shadow detail and black levels suffer. Once in your home though, the picture becomes clear, plasma excels where LCD fails. If you are replacing a CRT display with a new TV then plasma will deliver everything you are used to from your CRT display only much, much better.

[greymalkin]

"2. Plasma's have much better off axis viewing picture quality as opposed to LCD that degrades quickly when viewed from the side, above/below the screen. "

I found this out the hard way..my wife wanted the LCD and it's annoying to me when I sit in one chair off to the side..my friend got a bigger plasma for about half what I paid and the picture is beautiful at any angle.

[edDV]

"2. Plasma's have much better off axis viewing picture quality as opposed to LCD that degrades quickly when viewed from the side, above/below the screen. "

I found this out the hard way..my wife wanted the LCD and it's annoying to me when I sit in one chair off to the side..my friend got a bigger plasma for about half what I paid and the picture is beautiful at any angle.

You should place your chair dead center and let the wife choose an off axis position.

[MOVIEGEEK]

You should place your chair dead center and let the wife choose an off axis position.

Preferably by the subwoofer.

[neworldman]

Hollywood is hell-bent on forcing 3D into all new displays by 2012, which will also shake things up.[/quote]


Panasonic has obtained Pioneers Plasma technology and they will be making 3D Plasmas soon. Here is a new 152"

http://www.hdtvinfo.eu/news/hdtv-articles/the-worlds-largest-152-inch-full-hd-3d-plasm...panasonic.html

[samijubal]

Long live plasma. LCDs BLOW.

[jman98]

1. In a room with average and/or low ambient light, plasma gives a much deeper black level which means more saturated colors and detail in the picture.

99 out of 100 people don't care and probably can't tell the difference. neworldman is the one who does.

2. Plasma's have much better off axis viewing picture quality as opposed to LCD that degrades quickly when viewed from the side, above/below the screen.

Complete and utter b.s. with modern LCDs and has been untrue for at least 3 years now. This WAS true, but that was years ago. It's NOT true now.

3. Plasma delivers far better color accuracy as it can render deeper, richer colors and can blend tones better than LCDs and generates a larger color pallet.

Most people will never notice the difference or care enough to pay extra for plasma for it.

4. Plasma TV's do not suffer from motion blur as they have 600 Hz sub-fields so the image can maintain its quality longer than LCDs which degrade immediately after being charged. (that is when the image signal is sent to the panel). The response time of a plasma display is measured in microseconds rather than milliseconds, that is at least 1000 times faster, hence another reason for no motion blur/smear.

Again, my 99 out of 100 rule. neworldman is the 1 guy out of 100 who cares. In fact, more people out that group of 100 may find the lack of motion blur to be a negative.

5. In larger display sizes, plasma TV's cost less, sometimes much less yet still deliver a better picture for all of the above mentioned reasons.

LCDs are cheaper in general, but yes, for the gigantic sizes like 60+ inches, this statement that plasmas are cheaper is completely true. But how many people want a 60+ inch TV? Most married people don't. Most married people have those stupid TV cabinets that the wife insists on owning which limits the size of the TV you can use.

6. Plasma TV's look more like your old CRT display rather than a computer monitor.

Maybe to neworldman, but I don't think so.

7. Plasma TV's have long life, most are rated at a 60,000 hour half life. Panasonic projects their plasma TV's will last at least 100,000 hours.

He forgot to tell you that LCDs are commonly rated at 80,000 or more hours and that 100,000 figure for plasmas is HIGHLY optimistic and I don't know anyone outside of a sales guy or plasma fanboy who believes it.

8. The myths surrounding plasma TV's like the gas has to be recharged, they have short lifespans, they are power hogs, they burn in easily and the like are just that, myths and are in fact not true at all.

Who knows? But plasma has always been considered to be significantly more susceptible to burn in than LCD.

9. Plasma TV's are much, much better for gaming due to the rapid response times, better color gamut, better back levels and shadow detail.

And yet multi-millions of gamers currently using LCDs are somehow still able to play their games.

Personally, I don't care what people buy. Whatever pleases you. But plasmas may disappear from the market in a few years despite enthusiasts love for them. Sales are falling. Best Buy's website currently lists 24 plasma HDTVs. They list 154 LCD HDTVs. Care to bet which one of those 2 is more likely to still be made in 5 years?

[neworldman]

1. In a room with average and/or low ambient light, plasma gives a much deeper black level which means more saturated colors and detail in the picture.

99 out of 100 people don't care and probably can't tell the difference. neworldman is the one who does.

2. Plasma's have much better off axis viewing picture quality as opposed to LCD that degrades quickly when viewed from the side, above/below the screen.

Complete and utter b.s. with modern LCDs and has been untrue for at least 3 years now. This WAS true, but that was years ago. It's NOT true now.

3. Plasma delivers far better color accuracy as it can render deeper, richer colors and can blend tones better than LCDs and generates a larger color pallet.

Most people will never notice the difference or care enough to pay extra for plasma for it.

4. Plasma TV's do not suffer from motion blur as they have 600 Hz sub-fields so the image can maintain its quality longer than LCDs which degrade immediately after being charged. (that is when the image signal is sent to the panel). The response time of a plasma display is measured in microseconds rather than milliseconds, that is at least 1000 times faster, hence another reason for no motion blur/smear.

Again, my 99 out of 100 rule. neworldman is the 1 guy out of 100 who cares. In fact, more people out that group of 100 may find the lack of motion blur to be a negative.

5. In larger display sizes, plasma TV's cost less, sometimes much less yet still deliver a better picture for all of the above mentioned reasons.

LCDs are cheaper in general, but yes, for the gigantic sizes like 60+ inches, this statement that plasmas are cheaper is completely true. But how many people want a 60+ inch TV? Most married people don't. Most married people have those stupid TV cabinets that the wife insists on owning which limits the size of the TV you can use.

6. Plasma TV's look more like your old CRT display rather than a computer monitor.

Maybe to neworldman, but I don't think so.

7. Plasma TV's have long life, most are rated at a 60,000 hour half life. Panasonic projects their plasma TV's will last at least 100,000 hours.

He forgot to tell you that LCDs are commonly rated at 80,000 or more hours and that 100,000 figure for plasmas is HIGHLY optimistic and I don't know anyone outside of a sales guy or plasma fanboy who believes it.

8. The myths surrounding plasma TV's like the gas has to be recharged, they have short lifespans, they are power hogs, they burn in easily and the like are just that, myths and are in fact not true at all.

Who knows? But plasma has always been considered to be significantly more susceptible to burn in than LCD.

9. Plasma TV's are much, much better for gaming due to the rapid response times, better color gamut, better back levels and shadow detail.

And yet multi-millions of gamers currently using LCDs are somehow still able to play their games.

Personally, I don't care what people buy. Whatever pleases you. But plasmas may disappear from the market in a few years despite enthusiasts love for them. Sales are falling. Best Buy's website currently lists 24 plasma HDTVs. They list 154 LCD HDTVs. Care to bet which one of those 2 is more likely to still be made in 5 years?

So have you owned a new LED or Sony LCD? I have and spent thousands and YES the LED have worse viewing angles then the older LCD's. The Plasma's have the best alot better the the LED's. Why not listen to someone how is a die hard HD PQ fan & have wasted alot of money trying other HD technology only to go back to Plasma. Also Plasma's on average are 40% cheaper. I just bought a 58" Panasonic (New model)at Costco for $1200. try to buy any LCD's or LED's new models for that. Your right they sell 10 LCD's for every one Plasma sold. That just tells me that most people don't research what others have bought and found. The main is issue with LCD,LED is the motion blur on games and sports. When I set my 55" Samsung LED right next to my 60" Pioneer Plasma and watch a NFL game I noticed motion blur. Millions of gamers use LCD because they still think there is burn in on Plasma's. The new models don't have any burn in problem's. My brother plays PS3 8 to 10 hours a day with his Vizio Plasma never a issue. If you go to Costco ask the return person how many HDTV get returned. Most will be LCD & LED's to trade for Plasma.

[greymalkin]

"2. Plasma's have much better off axis viewing picture quality as opposed to LCD that degrades quickly when viewed from the side, above/below the screen. "

I found this out the hard way..my wife wanted the LCD and it's annoying to me when I sit in one chair off to the side..my friend got a bigger plasma for about half what I paid and the picture is beautiful at any angle.

You should place your chair dead center and let the wife choose an off axis position.

exactly! it's a win win situation because she wouldn't even notice . Well our couch is dead center and really the only time I sit in that chair is when I'm putting my shoes on for work or when talking to someone sitting on the couch.

my tv is a 2008 model and it has a BIG dropoff when viewed at that angle..the colors are all washed out. It's not some bargain basement lcd either..it's a samsung 120hz model (630). the plasma that cost half as much looks good at extreme angles...so...i'll believe my eyes.

[V Bot]

Go Plasma, I did. I have a Samsung PN50A550 (50"), love it. LCD doesn't compare unless you like the motion blur. I'll have mine for a year in FEB.

[samijubal]

1. In a room with average and/or low ambient light, plasma gives a much deeper black level which means more saturated colors and detail in the picture.

99 out of 100 people don't care and probably can't tell the difference. neworldman is the one who does.

2. Plasma's have much better off axis viewing picture quality as opposed to LCD that degrades quickly when viewed from the side, above/below the screen.

Complete and utter b.s. with modern LCDs and has been untrue for at least 3 years now. This WAS true, but that was years ago. It's NOT true now.

3. Plasma delivers far better color accuracy as it can render deeper, richer colors and can blend tones better than LCDs and generates a larger color pallet.

Most people will never notice the difference or care enough to pay extra for plasma for it.

4. Plasma TV's do not suffer from motion blur as they have 600 Hz sub-fields so the image can maintain its quality longer than LCDs which degrade immediately after being charged. (that is when the image signal is sent to the panel). The response time of a plasma display is measured in microseconds rather than milliseconds, that is at least 1000 times faster, hence another reason for no motion blur/smear.

Again, my 99 out of 100 rule. neworldman is the 1 guy out of 100 who cares. In fact, more people out that group of 100 may find the lack of motion blur to be a negative.

5. In larger display sizes, plasma TV's cost less, sometimes much less yet still deliver a better picture for all of the above mentioned reasons.

LCDs are cheaper in general, but yes, for the gigantic sizes like 60+ inches, this statement that plasmas are cheaper is completely true. But how many people want a 60+ inch TV? Most married people don't. Most married people have those stupid TV cabinets that the wife insists on owning which limits the size of the TV you can use.

6. Plasma TV's look more like your old CRT display rather than a computer monitor.

Maybe to neworldman, but I don't think so.

7. Plasma TV's have long life, most are rated at a 60,000 hour half life. Panasonic projects their plasma TV's will last at least 100,000 hours.

He forgot to tell you that LCDs are commonly rated at 80,000 or more hours and that 100,000 figure for plasmas is HIGHLY optimistic and I don't know anyone outside of a sales guy or plasma fanboy who believes it.

8. The myths surrounding plasma TV's like the gas has to be recharged, they have short lifespans, they are power hogs, they burn in easily and the like are just that, myths and are in fact not true at all.

Who knows? But plasma has always been considered to be significantly more susceptible to burn in than LCD.

9. Plasma TV's are much, much better for gaming due to the rapid response times, better color gamut, better back levels and shadow detail.

And yet multi-millions of gamers currently using LCDs are somehow still able to play their games.

Personally, I don't care what people buy. Whatever pleases you. But plasmas may disappear from the market in a few years despite enthusiasts love for them. Sales are falling. Best Buy's website currently lists 24 plasma HDTVs. They list 154 LCD HDTVs. Care to bet which one of those 2 is more likely to still be made in 5 years?

What planet do you live on? Is there anything in in this post that's true?

Outside of an overly bright showroom most people could easily see the difference. They buy LCD because plasma got a bad rep in the beginning due to issues that no longer exist and haven't for years.

LCDs do not have as good viewing angles.

Even the generic LCDs are more expensive than plasma and name brands aren't even close in price.

About the only time burn-in is an issue is people that have static images on a brand new TV that hasn't been broken-in. After break-in it's not an issue.

Panasonic plasmas are at the top of the list for lowest breakdowns in flat panel TVs.

Who cares what is still made in 5 years? Is that supposed to be a reason to buy an inferior TV now?

You seriously need to get your facts straight before posting on a subject you obviously know NOTHING about.

[SatStorm]

IMO today's LCDs are overall better. They have their traditional benefits and they have catch up with their flows (compared to Plasmas).
On the other hand Plasmas are cheaper. To be fare, Plasmas have the benefit that they don't make you tired while watching them for more than an hour.

For me, there is also another problem with the plasmas: It is impossible to put a Plasma TV against a window. The window reflects on the screen (usually). So, watching TV on a Plasma TV during the day easily becomes a problem. You can't even watch Plasma TV with the lights on! There are some solutions on this of course, but why I have to deal with problems when with the LCDs I don't have to?

Also let me point out that I am among those that love the "motion drive" picture that those 100Hz LCDs offer. I like to watch movies converted to something like "BBC's theater". Others hate that. It is all about taste.

[orsetto]

The fact that 99 out of 100 people can't tell the difference or don't care doesn't mean a significant difference isn't there for those who are sensitive to these issues. 99 out of 100 people can't tell the difference between a well-mastered CD and a 128 MP3, which has helped kill off CDs and better-quality audio systems right along with them. Is that "good"? No, it isn't: it removes choice and flexibility, reducing everything to lowest-common-denominator quality. This is especially true in the current economy, which shows no signs of abating anytime soon: mfrs are using every excuse they can find to drop slow-selling "quality" SKUs in favor of the midrange or crap stuff the public thinks they prefer.

I've seen good LCDs, the best ones are comparable to plasma in many ways, but they still fall short for some purposes and cost big bucks for equivalent performance at the same screen size. If the cost doesn't bother you and you prefer the presentation of LCD, I certainly wouldn't begrudge your choice. But don't then turn around and tell me "plasma sucks, no one wants it, it should be outlawed and you should be prevented from buying one, if you don't want an LCD there's something weird about you and you need to leave my country". Please. And talk about urban legends: if I hear one more person whine about "not being able to put a plasma next to a window" . Ummm, why would you put any TV next to a window? A CRT is totally unwatchable in that location, and an LCD is not a whole hell of a lot better. I understand some people have lousy room layouts, but c'mon: its your living space that sucks, not the TV.

LCD succeeded largely because consumers were long-since conditioned to the "look" of similar computer and laptop monitors that they stare at all day. If we were still using CRT monitors on our PCs, LCD televisions would have been laughed off the market. The use of standard-def home video recorders has also dropped off a cliff, most USA consumers now view primarily HDTV sources like cable, satellite or ATSC, or high-quality commercial SD like Hollywood DVDs. This stuff looks passable enough on LCDs for them to get by. But the small number of us with huge collections of old analog recordings generally prefer plasma: it conceals the flaws in lame SD material and punches it up with a better black level. DVDs made on standalones from SD cable or dubbed from VHS look like hell on an LCD, this is unlikely to ever change, so it would be nice if the LCD mob mentality would back the hell off and let at least a handful of plasmas stay on the market for those who need them.

The biggest irony in all this is the non-North American market. Europe and Asia have totally dead plasma sales while LCDs sell like crazy. But not because they prefer LCDs, its because they have no room for large screens and no one makes a plasma in small sizes. The flat-screen revolution did absolutely nothing for these people except replace their standard 20" and 27" CRT televisions with a flat screen. Woo-friggin-who. Even the most incompetent mfrs can build a passable under-30" LCD, and they're certainly much less expensive than the typical American sizes (we'll happily shoehorn a 42" display into a 350 sq ft studio apt here, Europeans are more conservative.)

[handyguy]

Anyone want to chime in for me on if regular old cable SD looks better on an LCD or plasma?

[MOVIEGEEK]

Anyone want to chime in for me on if regular old cable SD looks better on an LCD or plasma?

You're kidding right?
Is you're serious then no, the higher resolution screen makes low resolution and low bitrate video look like crap. Some HDTV's have better video processors for upscaling but overall it looks like crap on screens over 37".

[somebodeez]

Anyone want to chime in for me on if regular old cable SD looks better on an LCD or plasma?

1 thing to consider about that is who is your cable co and how much do they compress the signal.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271


I've got 2 plasma TVs, both Samsung.
1 is 50" and the other is 63".
We have Fios HD boxes hooked up to them via HDMI. Most SD channels look ok - not outstanding mind you but ok - although if there is an HD channel alternative available, we'll chose that over the SD channel.

As far as LCD or Plasma - my husband and I both prefer plasmas over LCD.
Colors are very vivid, viewing angles are not a problem and no motion artifacts.

We have large windows and even with our old CRTs we had to close the drapes to block the glare so doing so now w/our plasmas is no big deal to us.

[edDV]

Anyone want to chime in for me on if regular old cable SD looks better on an LCD or plasma?

Makes no difference. The screen display technology has nothing to do with deinterlacing and upscaling SD. That is the job of the processing engine.

Both LCD and Plasma TV sets offer different processing engne price points. The higher end models do best with SD upscale. If you're goning to use the TV processor, be sure to set your cable box and DVD player to 480i out.

[qpskfec]

We have a demo room at work and have just upgraded the TVs.

In the main bank of TVs, there's a Pioneer Kuro plasma with a Samsung LED LCD on each side.

The LCDs look good, but it's no contest, the plasma looks better.

Even if the LED and plasma were equivalent dead in front of the TV, the LED viewing angle is deal breaker for me, as you can watch the picture change as you go further to the side. Just go to any retailer and see for yourself.

[SatStorm]

T Please. And talk about urban legends: if I hear one more person whine about "not being able to put a plasma next to a window" . Ummm, why would you put any TV next to a window?

3 words: Are you serious?

[SingSing]

I want it on a Samsung 52 DLP Plasma.

I though DLP which is not a panel display, do not mixed with either LCD or Plasma.