I'd sure appreciate any help I can get with this situation. I have an MKV file I'm trying to convert to Blu-Ray or AVCHD format using tsMuxeR, so that I can burn it to a DVD +R DL. I burned the output tsMuxeR created with IMGBurn, using the settings I've used in the past to burn AVCHD/Blu-Ray disks without a problem (i.e. UDF 2.5)
My problem is that when I play the disk, the video is pixelated and when characters move, the pixels stay in the spot they were in prior to moving. Definitely unwatchable and a real problem.
Here is the info provided by MediaInfo, any help would be greatly appreciated:
Format : Matroska
File size : 6.56 GiB
Duration : 1h 29mn
Overall bit rate : 10.4 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2009-12-12 14:35:57
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.9.7 ('Tenderness') built on Jul 1 2009 18:43:35
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Muxing mode : Container profile=Unknown@4.1
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 29mn
Bit rate : 8 732 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 8 939 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 816 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.35:1
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.232
Stream size : 5.48 GiB (83%)
Writing library : x264 core 79 r1342 e8501ef
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / wpredb=1 / wpredp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=8939 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Audio
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 29mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Resolution : 24 bits
Stream size : 971 MiB (14%)
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I have had the same problem in multiavchd and found that it is to do with new versions of mkvmerge. The way I found around it was to demux the mkv first to elementary streams (e.g video.264, audio.ac3, etc) and then load them into the software. Does this work for you?
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Your mkv isn't compatible for AVCHD/BD. It needs to be a standard resolution like 1920x1080, not a cropped frame like yours 1920x816. It also has too many reference frames (4 is max for 1920x1080)
You will have to re-encode and add borders to keep the AR. You could use uncropmkv to do this, or avisynth + encoder -
Thanks for the replies. Will re-encoding change the number of reference frames down to four, or is that another step? Sorry about the knowledge level, I'm new to a lot of this.
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Yes , when you re-encode, you can specify the ref frames. You should do all changes at once, otherwise you lose quality each time you re-encode. All the other settings look ok except for a few things:
Technically you should be using vbv-buffer , something like
--vbv-maxrate 15000 --vbv-bufsize 15000
will help ensure it doesn't stutter across different brands of players and on DVD media, if you use blu-ray media you can go higher
And really it should be L4.0, that way you don't need to encode with 4 slices, otherwise if you use L4.1 it should be
--slices 4
And to make it really compliant , you should use "large GOP" blu-ray settings if your maxbitrate is <15Mbps buffered
--keyint 48 --min-keyint 2
Some models will stutter on FF/RWD if you don't use proper GOP size. If you use settings >15Mbps (as in real blu-ray, not your mkv rip), change to --keyint 24
But most standalone players can play out of spec video, and uncropmkv with the ref frame and borders should be sufficient. But it varies a lot however, you have to check various forums on your player model for specific quirks and settings. The suggestions I gave above were even more strict settings -
PLEASE post in the video conversion or blu-ray/avchd authoring section. This is not any blu-ray ripping. Moving you.
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I am having similar issues to above when i am trying to burn my ripped blu rays back onto disks, simply put i wish to burn some *.MKV files back onto my blu ray disk but when playing it back on different players i get stuttering and picture breakup.
Can someone tell me a fairly simple process of taking my MKV / TS file and reencoding it into something as "standard" as possible so when it is played back in the average blu ray player it will work? -
use multiavchd, it's about as simple as you can get. There are guides if you search, and screenshots on the author's site
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Even after converting with multiavcHD into a blu ray structure i get picture breakup and stuttering unfortunately.
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what player (model) are you using ? what type of BD-R ? do you have player firmware updates ?
did you test the image playing locally on your PC before burning ? -
Multiple BD-R written on slowest possible speeds ( TDK and Verbatim i believe ) Blu ray players range from a PS3 (which seems to have no problems playing back my disks) to Sony BDPS370/ LG BD390 & BX580 / Panasonic DMPBD65.
Different players show differing amounts of stuttering and pixelation LGs usually being the best at playback after PS3, which leads me to believe its some encoding settings within the file(s) themselves. -
If you've used multiavchd correctly it's unlikely that it used some incorrect settings... anyways you can check with mediainfo on one of the files (view=>text , copy & paste the results back here from both the mkv and exported file)
You didn't answer the question on testing the image before burning
I'm also assuming the mkv plays back normally? What software for playback ?
Do you have your log file for multiavchd? Post that
If it's a decoding problem (e.g. using directshow) , then it will pass the errors on to the encode -
Yes i tested the image before burning, using MPC and it plays back just fine. I will quickly create a MultiAVCHD file to generate a log. Bare with me.
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General
Count : 270
Count of stream of this kind : 1
Kind of stream : General
Kind of stream : General
Stream identifier : 0
ID : 1
ID : 1 (0x1)
Count of video streams : 1
Count of audio streams : 1
Video_Format_List : AVC
Video_Format_WithHint_List : AVC
Codecs Video : AVC
Audio_Format_List : DTS
Audio_Format_WithHint_List : DTS
Audio codecs : DTS-HD
Complete name : Q:\Films\High Def\0-N\3D Legends of the Guardians 1080p SBS\Legend of the Guardians.ts
Folder name : Q:\Films\High Def\0-N\3D Legends of the Guardians 1080p SBS
File name : Legend of the Guardians
File extension : ts
Format : MPEG-TS
Format : MPEG-TS
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format/Url : http://developers.videolan.org/x264.html
Format/Extensions usually used : ts m2t m2s m4t m4s ts tp trp
Commercial name : MPEG-TS
Internet media type : video/MP2T
Codec : MPEG-TS
Codec : MPEG-TS
Codec/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Codec/Url : http://developers.videolan.org/x264.html
Codec/Extensions usually used : ts m2t m2s m4t m4s ts tp trp
File size : 17534302784
File size : 16.3 GiB
File size : 16 GiB
File size : 16 GiB
File size : 16.3 GiB
File size : 16.33 GiB
Duration : 5808692.377778
Duration : 1h 36mn
Duration : 1h 36mn 48s 692ms
Duration : 1h 36mn
Duration : 01:36:48.692
Overall bit rate : 24149014
Overall bit rate : 24.1 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35500000
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps
File creation date : UTC 2011-01-17 15:33:00.000
File creation date (local) : 2011-01-17 15:33:00.000
File last modification date : UTC 2011-01-17 15:43:26.000
File last modification date (loc : 2011-01-17 15:43:26.000
Video
Count : 192
Count of stream of this kind : 1
Kind of stream : Video
Kind of stream : Video
Stream identifier : 0
ID : 4113
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format/Url : http://developers.videolan.org/x264.html
Commercial name : AVC
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Internet media type : video/H264
Codec ID : 27
Codec : AVC
Codec : AVC
Codec/Family : AVC
Codec/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Codec/Url : http://developers.videolan.org/x264.html
Codec profile : High@L4.1
Codec settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Codec settings, CABAC : Yes
Codec_Settings_RefFrames : 4
Duration : 5804674
Duration : 1h 36mn
Duration : 1h 36mn 44s 674ms
Duration : 1h 36mn
Duration : 01:36:44.674
Bit rate mode : VBR
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 21379045
Bit rate : 21.4 Mbps
Nominal bit rate : 20000000
Nominal bit rate : 20.0 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 40000000
Maximum bit rate : 40.0 Mbps
Width : 1920
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1080
Height : 1 080 pixels
Pixel aspect ratio : 1.000
Display aspect ratio : 1.778
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : VFR
Frame rate mode : Variable
Resolution : 8
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Scan type : Progressive
Interlacement : PPF
Interlacement : Progressive
Delay : 600000.000
Delay : 10mn 0s
Delay : 10mn 0s 0ms
Delay : 10mn 0s
Delay : 00:10:00.000
Delay, origin : Container
Delay, origin : Container
Stream size : 15512298257
Stream size : 14.4 GiB (88%)
Stream size : 14 GiB
Stream size : 14 GiB
Stream size : 14.4 GiB
Stream size : 14.45 GiB
Stream size : 14.4 GiB (88%)
Proportion of this stream : 0.88468
Writing library : x264 - core 107 r1745 4785e8e
Writing library : x264 core 107 r1745 4785e8e
Writing library/Name : x264
Writing library/Version : core 107 r1745 4785e8e
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=8 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=abr / mbtree=1 / bitrate=20000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.41 / aq=1:1.0
Buffer size : 3750000
Audio
Count : 154
Count of stream of this kind : 1
Kind of stream : Audio
Kind of stream : Audio
Stream identifier : 0
ID : 4352
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Commercial name : DTS
Format profile : MA / Core
Muxing mode : Stream extension
Codec ID : 134
Codec : DTS-HD
Codec : DTS-HD
Duration : 5808736
Duration : 1h 36mn
Duration : 1h 36mn 48s 736ms
Duration : 1h 36mn
Duration : 01:36:48.736
Bit rate mode : VBR
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 1560750 / 1509750
Bit rate : 1 561 Kbps / 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Channel positions : 3/2/0.1
Sampling rate : 48000
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Samples count : 278819328
Frame count : 181523
Resolution : 24
Resolution : 24 bits
Bit depth : 24
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy
Delay : 600000.000
Delay : 10mn 0s
Delay : 10mn 0s 0ms
Delay : 10mn 0s
Delay : 00:10:00.000
Delay, origin : Container
Delay, origin : Container
Delay relative to video : 0
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what is that ? the input file ? it can't be the export from multiavchd , because there are some incompatible settings
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Thats the Media Info export, currently processing MultiAVC project shouldnt take too long!
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do you mean mediainfo export for the input file ? the video you put into multiavchd ?
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Hopefully the correct log file:- This is from what MultiAVCHD generated as an output with my file. [03:54:02] Destination path does not exist!
[03:54:02] Changed to: C:\Programs\multiAVCHD\AVCHD\
[03:54:03] Initialising...
[03:54:03] Checking for new version...
[03:54:03] You have the latest build.
[03:54:03] Consistency check finished!
[03:54:03] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!
[03:54:03] 2 years and 75 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[03:54:03] 433 people supported it with donations
[03:54:03] and you are the 1398346 one to launch the program...
[03:54:03] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!
[03:54:03] multiAVCHD.dat version: [04010767]
[03:54:56] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[03:54:57] Destination [Q:]: NTFS, 40888.52 MiB (39.93 GiB) free space
[03:54:57] Temp folder [c:]: NTFS, 200815.68 MiB (196.109 GiB) free space
[03:54:57] Log started for multiAVCHD v4.1 (build 770)
[03:54:57] Selected output mode: Blu-ray player (BD-R/BD-RE disc)
[03:54:57] Processing one title...
[03:54:59] Processing (Q:\Films\High Def\0-N\3D Legends of the Guardians 1080p SBS\Legend of the Guardians.ts)...
[03:55:00] Detected frame reference count: 4 (max:4).
[03:55:00] Detected display AR: 1:-1
[03:55:00] Display properties: 1920x-1920 (AR:-1)
[03:55:00] DTS-HRA, DTS-MA will not be reencoded.
[03:55:00] Adding DTS audio track (ID#4352)
[03:55:00] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[03:55:00] Video height (-1920) not compliant (480/576/720/1080)! Final output may be distorted.
[03:55:00] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...
[03:55:00] Media split set at 99999MiB point...
tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
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Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.1 Resolution: 1920:1080p Frame rate: 23.976
H.264 muxing fps not set. Get fps from stream.
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=23.976
Decoding DTS-HD stream (track 2): Bitrate: 1536Kbps core + MLP data.Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 5.1 (DTS Master Audio)
B-pyramid level 1 detected. Shift DTS to 2 frames
Processed 139171 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 5 min 41 sec
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tsMuxeR meta:
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MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --blu-ray --vbr --custom-chapters=00:00:00.000 --vbv-len=500
V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC, "Q:\Films\High Def\0-N\3D Legends of the Guardians 1080p SBS\Legend of the Guardians.ts", insertSEI, contSPS, track=4113
A_DTS, "Q:\Films\High Def\0-N\3D Legends of the Guardians 1080p SBS\Legend of the Guardians.ts", track=4352, lang=und, timeshift=0ms
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[04:00:01] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00000.m2ts
[04:05:37] Processing playlist...
[04:05:37] Title #1 added: "Legend of the Guardians"
[04:05:37] Verifying title...
[04:05:39] Title has: 1 audio tracks and 0 subtitle tracks
[04:05:39] Preparing authoring information...
[04:05:39] Creating PAL 24p top menu.
[04:05:40] Setting pop-up menu...
[04:05:41] *** [00000.mpls] - Adding pop-up menu [1080p]...
[04:05:41] *** Completed!
[04:05:41] Authoring menu (PAL 24p).
[04:05:41] Creating title thumbnails for 1 titles (SLI)...
[04:06:13] Using 1 thumbnail/chapter links for title #1...
[04:06:14] *** Extracting 1 chapter thumbnails...
[04:06:14] *** Chapter #1 [00:00:00.000] set for thumbnail at [00:48:22.232]
[04:06:43] Image processing for SLI menu completed!
[04:06:43] Preparing menu pages...
[04:06:43] Encoding static SLI menu page [1/1] [Static title thumbnail].
[04:06:58] Encoding static SLI menu page [1/1]: Chapter page [1/1].
[04:07:01] Encoding static SLI menu page [1/1]: Setup page (audio/subtitle).
[04:07:03] Menu authoring completed.
[04:07:04] Encoding Title List menu page [1/1].
[04:07:13] Setting main menu for 1 titles...
[04:07:13] Loop mode after last title.
[04:07:13] Setting menu properties...
[04:07:13] Selected TV system: [PAL]
[04:07:13] Processing clip (CPI/CLPI) files...
[04:07:13] Completed.
[04:07:13] Setting Blu-ray format...
[04:08:12] Done!
[04:08:12] Saving multiAVCHD quick-load project (mpf):
[04:08:12] Q:\BDR\AVCHD\multiAVCHD.mpf (OK!)
Compilation summary:
Format: Blu-ray player (BD-R/BD-RE disc)
Name : multiAVCHD
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1. Legend of the Guardians [01:36:44]
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Overall duration : 01:36:44
Output size : 17096 MiB (16.696 GiB)
[04:08:12] Q:\BDR\AVCHD folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[04:08:12] Burn its CONTENTS to BD-R/RE UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!
[04:08:14] You may now remove temp folder (c:\programs\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20110311\).
[04:08:14] Your compilation contains 1hrs 36min 44sec of video material.
[04:08:14] multiAVCHD finished in 796.822 seconds (00:13:16.822)!
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what did you use as the input ? the whole video ? 1h 36min ?
Can you post the mediainfo for the export from multiavchd
It looks like it didn't re-encode the video for some reason , that mediainfo will verify that. See if you can force a re-encode
The settings you have that are incompatible in your input file that should be changed for maximum compatibility
--min-keyint 1
--keyint 24
--weightp 0
--b-pyramid 0
In the future, if you are doing blu-ray back ups I would use an AVCHD or blu-ray compatible settings for the backup. This way a simple author & burn is all you need to go back to blu-ray (insteading to have to re-encode & waste time & lose quality) -
In this Particular Case Blu Ray compatable settings for backing it up are a bit difficult due it being a 3D Disk and needs converting into a SBS format of which the only way to do it is SSIFSucka which doesn't really allow much custom options apart from the Bitrate and the output type of 3D unfortunately.
Yes it is the whole film. -
General
ID : 1 (0x1)
Complete name : Q:\BDR\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 16.7 GiB
Duration : 1h 36mn
Overall bit rate : 24.7 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps
Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 1h 36mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 22.1 Mbps
Nominal bit rate : 20.0 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 40.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Variable
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Stream size : 14.9 GiB (90%)
Writing library : x264 core 107 r1745 4785e8e
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=8 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=abr / mbtree=1 / bitrate=20000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.41 / aq=1:1.0
Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Muxing mode : Stream extension
Codec ID : 134
Duration : 1h 36mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 1 561 Kbps / 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy -
Also where in MultiAVCHD is the force reencode option? Btw really appreciate all the feedback been trying to fix this issue for months and never managed to get anywehre with it... Not just happening with 3D stuff though just pretty much all my blu rays in general!
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good question , I have't used it in a long time, I 'll have a look and reply back if I can find it
The mediainfo report confirms that the stream was passed through (although it shouldn't have been)
Another thing is the file needs to be CFR (constant frame rate) , not VFR (variable); if you force multiavchd to re-encode it should take care of that
EDIT: nope, I can't find the switch to force re-encode . Another option you can try might be avchdcoder , or use megui with a blu-ray preset then multiavchd to author (megui is more difficult to use)Last edited by poisondeathray; 10th Mar 2011 at 22:54.
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So i have my blu ray i wish to encode for the first time or simply reencode.
1) What is the most ideal program for encoding, there seems to be a whole bunch of them from ripbot 264 to many others (uncropmkv actually seems to work ok)
2) In this ideal program is there a bunch of settings i can be using ( either right from a config file or guide etc ) which will minimize the chances of my disks having playback issues?
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