2012 talk about

[NevilleLeck]

aha, it's a interesting topic

[Nitro89]

I read somewhere that recently during a tsunami, one of poles completely disappeared from the scales.

what does that mean, the "poles disappeared from the scales"? what "scales"? what "poles"? why were they being weighed? and wtf are you on?!?

Sorry I mean the recent Haiti earthquake. NASA studies had shown that the 5 satellites orbiting the earth reported that one of the poles just completely disappeared. Scales may not be the correct work for it but they had a computer generated image that showed the activity of the poles. The poles are the magnetic fields from the south and north poles.

[guns1inger]

It may have shifted the poles slightly, but they did not disappear. They simply do not work like that. The Chile quake shifted the poles by approximately 3 inches according to NASA satellites. That quake was somewhat larger than the Haiti quake, at 8.8 (Haiti was a 7. To compare, Haiti was the equivalent of a 31.6 megaton explosion. Chile was approx. 15.8 gigatons). So if Haiti did cause a shift, it would have been substantially smaller. In 2005, the earthquake that cause the tsunami that hit Indonesia caused a shift of around 1 inch.

[stiltman]

Non of that is whats called "shifting poles"
What you are describing is shifting of the tectonic plates. Shifting of the poles has to do with the magnetic fields around the earth. The process of the poles shifting (magnetic fields) takes millions of years.

Funny I just watched all this on the Science and History channel

[guns1inger]

Non of that is whats called "shifting poles"
What you are describing is shifting of the tectonic plates. Shifting of the poles has to do with the magnetic fields around the earth. The process of the poles shifting (magnetic fields) takes millions of years.

Funny I just watched all this on the Science and History channel

You didn't read my full post

[deadrats]

Sorry I mean the recent Haiti earthquake. NASA studies had shown that the 5 satellites orbiting the earth reported that one of the poles just completely disappeared. Scales may not be the correct work for it but they had a computer generated image that showed the activity of the poles. The poles are the magnetic fields from the south and north poles.

that's just too funny, there's no doubt that you misunderstood what you read. the earth is one giant magnet, it is not possible for a "pole to disappear" from a magnet and it certainly isn't possible for an earthquake to cause the earth's magnetic field to disappear.

now the pole may have shifted slightly and if the satellites are synchronized to the magnetic poles given location and the orientation of the magnetic field shifts, then yes the satellites may fail to "see" the poles until they are re-synchronized, but that doesn't mean the poles disappeared.

[deadrats]

I have read, and I have studied - you are not the only one who understands the ancient art of letters - and I am yet to see any evidence. I do know that there os often a large gap between reality and what is portrayed by Hollywood (although I will say that "2012" did manage cover most of the internet bases. It could almost claim to be the first movie actually written by the internet), and what is believed by large groups of people.

The human brain is a pattern seeking device, and it will find patterns everywhere if it is not directed properly. Name any three places on earth, set the right mind to it, and they will find all sorts of coincidences and serendipitous connections. Put the wrong mind on it and they will find the connections that show that the Venusians were here 5000 years ago building pyramids.

I never claimed that theses organisations exist. I can say that all the ranting and writings and videos of the likes of Alex Jones don't amount to a pinch of real evidence for anything beyond that basic fact.

you have yet to see any evidence because you choose not to see any evidence, as i said "none are so blind as those who will not see".

as far as the brain being a "pattern seeking device", it's been said that genius is the ability to see connections that others can't.

with regards to your "3 places on earth" point that is only because the history of various peoples is so entwined that the influences of each culture are evident in every other culture, not because people are seeing connections where none exist.

now if you wish to stick your head in the sand and discount everything as a coincidence and/or anyone that suggests a connection between any two things as being in need of a tin foil hat, the only one that you make look like a complete fool is yourself.

[guns1inger]

Show me the evidence - prove to me anything of which you claim

[deadrats]

Show me the evidence - prove to me anything of which you claim

i don't recall making any specific claims, but if i have, show me the claim and i will provide proof of my contention.

[guns1inger]

Show me the evidence - prove to me anything of which you claim

i don't recall making any specific claims, but if i have, show me the claim and i will provide proof of my contention.

You are so full of

[deadrats]

Show me the evidence - prove to me anything of which you claim

i don't recall making any specific claims, but if i have, show me the claim and i will provide proof of my contention.

You are so full of
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i'm not 100 percent sure that a self portrait is within this forum's rules.

i should point out that since you haven't pointed to any actual claims that you would like backed up with proof, i am forced to conclude that you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[guns1inger]

All your claims are personal attacks. You never say anything outright, just snidely imply. You are two afraid to commit to an outright statement because you know you have nothing to back it up. You sit there feeling so smug and superior, and yet you offer nothing. So empty and vacuous.

I have found one claim you can answer : show me evidence - not coincidence and supposition, actual evidence - that the design of Washington DC has anything more to it than just good city planning.

[deadrats]

All your claims are personal attacks. You never say anything outright, just snidely imply. You are two afraid to commit to an outright statement because you know you have nothing to back it up. You sit there feeling so smug and superior, and yet you offer nothing. So empty and vacuous.

where did you see a "personal attack"? would you prefer an "impersonal attack"?

since you want me to say something outright, here goes: it would be nice if you learned the proper use of "two" versus "too".

as for being afraid to commit, ROTFLMAO, have you followed any thread that i have been involved in? i always take a position, be it on newegg, toyota, x264, gpu accelerated encoding, windows 7, you name it, i have never shown any reluctance to commit to an outright statement.

in this particular thread however you seemed inclined to launch into a rather circular attack on conspiracy theories in general, hollywood movies (which were never marketed as being 100 percent historically accurate), a few specific authors which you seem to have a hard on about and the internet as a whole.

i pointed out that you may not in fact be the brightest bulb in the bunch, nothing snide about that, i'm saying outright that at times you seem hell bent on proving that you would make a fine contestant for the special olympics.

[deadrats]

I have found one claim you can answer : show me evidence - not coincidence and supposition, actual evidence - that the design of Washington DC has anything more to it than just good city planning.

here's a little taste:

http://watch.pair.com/mason.html

http://www.postpositive.org/?page_id=103

http://theforbiddenknowledge.com/chapter3/

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/washington.html

http://home.hiwaay.net/~jalison/after2.html

i'm getting ready for bed and will post more on the subject tomorrow, and while i'm sure you will dismiss everything as "crack pottery" perhaps at least you may admit that there may be more there than meets the eye.

look into the symbols present on u.s. currency, trace their origin and meanings, that should at least get you thinking, though i may be asking too much.

[guns1inger]

There is no evidence that Pierre Charles L'Enfante was a mason, and in fact much to suggest that he was not. The basic design of diagonals over a grid is as much based on aesthetics as it was the landscape. I could spend the day drawing links to points an a Washington street map and probably uncover Barney the purple dinosaur (a far more frightening prospect than the idea that there might be a pentagram found amongst such a geometric layout).

All you have proved so far is that you can type "Washington DC" and "Freemasons" into google and link to the top few returns, and that the only place you will find any of this documented is in literature that pushes a similar paranoid agenda.

If you want to look for support for your particular view, there is certainly plenty of it out there. Unfortunately little of it has any substance, support from primary evidence (or even solid secondary evidence), or critical or rational thought behind it. Remember, I said no coincidence or supposition. These are not forms of evidence.

I too can use google. I found this. You can dismiss it as Pro-Freemason propaganda and proof of just how far their control spreads, if you like.

What does this prove ? Not much more than that there are opposing view points.

However it is up to those who make the claims to provide the evidence for those claims. You have simply provided links to more claims. None of those links have any compelling evidence.

[guns1inger]

Oh, and before you claim that my arguments are somehow a defence of freemasonry because I am a member, let me assure you that this is not the case (why I would think you would stoop to such a cheap tactic I can not imagine - oh wait).

One of the fundamental tents of being a Freemason is a belief in god (for them it would be a big g god). Let's just say that that is another claim for which I yet to see compelling evidence.

[redwudz]

Sorry to interrupt, but this thread has skirted politics and religion and that's enough. Locked.