Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB @ 124.8mb/s

[ocgw]

I am running out of storage space so I went to buy a new HDD, I was thinking maybe I wouldget another 1500GB Samsung drive and went to buy it and noticed the F3 1TB has garnered 5 of 5 eggs @ newegg after 47 reviews, I investigated further and discover it is the fastest SATA II HDD made, only extremely expensive high density USCSI 320's, high density SAS, and SSD's faster @ sustained average sequentual read and write speeds

The fastest SATA II 7200 rpm HDD only costs $80USD for 1TB, $55USD for the 500GB

They achieve 124.8mb/s sustained average read speed verified by HD Tach by w/ their new ultra dense 500GB platters

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2009/10/06/samsung-spinpoint-f3-1tb-review/3

I used to run gen 1 Raptors in RAID0, and Fujitsu 15K SAS in RAID0, now that high density drives have caught up w/ smaller high performance enterprise drives in speed and my primary concern now is storage capacity I have been buying large drives w/ a good cost pr gigabyte ratio

My last (4) HDD's I added to my system were the Seagate 1500GB 7200rpm 32mb cache, but when I saw the F3 even though it is only 1TB I couldn't resist using it as my new boot drive

The Samsung Sinpoint F3'a 124.8mb/s is faster than a single Velociraptor, or my old gen 1 Raptors in RAID0, and for $55USD the single platter 500GB drive is a great high performance bargain

in my most humble of opinions

ps as soon as it arrives I will load (fresh install) Windows 7 Ultimate x64 "Signature Edition" 8)

ocgw

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[rallynavvie]

Those Samsung drives are an excellent choice for storage/backup drives. Much more affordable than their enterprise counterpart Wester Digital RE4s, but I thought the RE4s were a bit faster (albeit almost twice as expensive). I was considering RE4s for the ESX backup array at work but HP forced us to use 300GB SAS for everything

[ocgw]

Those Samsung drives are an excellent choice for storage/backup drives. Much more affordable than their enterprise counterpart Wester Digital RE4s, but I thought the RE4s were a bit faster (albeit almost twice as expensive). I was considering RE4s for the ESX backup array at work but HP forced us to use 300GB SAS for everything

The RE4's might be faster than the F1's or F2's, but the F3's are the latest and greatest

The 500GB version is my new default boot HDD for budget machines I build, the Seagates are still the "price pr gig" king

ocgw

peace

[themaster1]

Seagate is not worth a dime, the proof Here

My internal hdd is a samsung 200gb/7200rpm/ sata 1/ i got it since 2006 & i can't complain.I've written & deleted tons of videos on it and it still is in good shape.

[ocgw]

Seagate is not worth a dime, the proof Here

My internal hdd is a samsung 200gb/7200rpm/ sata 1/ i got it since 2006 & i can't complain.I've written & deleted tons of videos on it and it still is in good shape.

Thx for your opinion

Now in my opinion that link you provided is only proof that the " Seagate FreeAgent 500" is not worth a dime, in my experience blanket painting of a oem because of an bad experience w/ 1 particular model does not make any sense, all oems have models that they regret marketing, and we only hurt ourselves when we pass up a good deal

I own ( 8 ) Seagate Barracuda 7200.11's and I have never had a problem w/ any 1 of them

A co-worker of mine told me he doesn't trust Samsung because of a bad experience w/ a Samsung HDD, I am not "putting much stock" in that either

ps. after rereading your post that link is only evidence that Samsung had problems w/ that particular model, not a documented history of unreliability due to poor design across an entire brand name

imho

Another thing to consider is market saturation, if 229 guys had a problem w/ this drive and they sold 22,900 of them that would make a 99% satisfied customers

for example: @ 1 time there were more complaints about the Ford Escort on the web than any other car, but then again more Ford Escorts were sold than any other car

ocgw

peace

[themaster1]

I stand by what i wrote: Seagate is not worth a dime, let alone an euro coin.
On the other hand, Samsung seems reliable enough if not better

[ocgw]

I stand by what i wrote: Seagate is not worth a dime, let alone an euro coin.
On the other hand, Samsung seems reliable enough if not better

It is wisest to judge any device on its own merits

Maybe you are 1 of those ppl that uses the word "proof" rather loosely

Websters definition of "proof":

Main Entry: 1proof
Pronunciation: \ˈprüf\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English prof, prove, alteration of preve, from Anglo-French preove, from Late Latin proba, from Latin probare to prove — more at prove
Date: 13th century

1 a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact b : the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning
2 obsolete : experience
3 : something that induces certainty or establishes validity
4 archaic : the quality or state of having been tested or tried; especially : unyielding hardness
5 : evidence operating to determine the finding or judgment of a tribunal
6 a plural proofs or proof : a copy (as of typeset text) made for examination or correction b : a test impression of an engraving, etching, or lithograph c : a coin that is struck from a highly polished die on a polished planchet, is not intended for circulation, and sometimes differs in metallic content from coins of identical design struck for circulation d : a test photographic print made from a negative
7 : a test applied to articles or substances to determine whether they are of standard or satisfactory quality
8 a : the minimum alcoholic strength of proof spirit b : strength with reference to the standard for proof spirit; specifically : alcoholic strength indicated by a number that is twice the percent by volume of alcohol present <whiskey of 90 proof is 45 percent alcohol>

Wikipedia definitiion of "proof":

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< Middle English proof < Old French prove < Late Latin proba (“‘a proof’”) < Latin probare (“‘to prove’”); see prove.
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* IPA: /pɹuːf/
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* Rhymes: -uːf

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proof (plural proofs)

1. Any effort, process, or operation designed to establish or discover a fact or truth; an act of testing; a test; a trial.
* (A date for this quote is being sought): Edmund Spenser,

For whatsoever mother wit or art Could work, he put in proof.

* (A date for this quote is being sought): Ford,

You shall have many proofs to show your skill.

* (A date for this quote is being sought): Ure,

Formerly, a very rude mode of ascertaining the strength of spirits was practiced, called the proof.

2. The degree of evidence which convinces the mind of any truth or fact, and produces belief; a test by facts or arguments which induce, or tend to induce, certainty of the judgment; conclusive evidence; demonstration.
* (A date for this quote is being sought): William Shakespeare,

I'll have some proof.

* (A date for this quote is being sought): Ralph Waldo Emerson,

It is no proof of a man's understanding to be able to confirm whatever he pleases.

* 1990 October 28, Paul Simon, “Proof”, The Rhythm of the Saints, Warner Bros.

Faith, faith is an island in the setting sun / But proof, proof is the bottom line for everyone

3. The quality or state of having been proved or tried; firmness or hardness which resists impression, or doesn't yield to force; impenetrability of physical bodies.
4. Firmness of mind; stability not to be shaken.
5. (printing) A proof sheet; a trial impression, as from type, taken for correction or examination.
6. (mathematics): A process for testing the accuracy of an operation performed. Compare prove, transitive verb, 5.
7. (obsolete): Armour of excellent or tried quality, and deemed impenetrable; properly, armour of proof.
8. (US) A measure of the alcohol content of liquor. Originally, in Britain, 100 proof was defined as 57.1% by volume (not used anymore). In the US, 100 proof means that the alcohol content is 50% of the total volume of the liquid, and thus, absolute alcohol would be 200 proof.

ocgw

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[ocgw]

@ themaster1:

If you read thru those posts you will see a common solution, that is to unplug the light in that portable HDD's enclosure, it makes too much heat

Even in this case the drive itself seems to be fine, its enclosure is known to be a problem

ocgw

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[hech54]

1 250GB Seagate c drive and two identical 500GB Samsung drives for storage....never a problem with any of them.

[Nelson37]

All drive makers produce an occasional clunker, all that are still in business make mostly good ones.

To evaluate an individual model or a whole company on the basis of sample sizes less than several dozen is just silly.

Never once saw a failed Micropolis drive, but then they don't make those anymore.

Personally, I buy nothing but Western Digital drives. One factor in this was that their jumpers are always clearly marked. I also liked the attempt to introduce a keying tab on the SATA cable. The black cases on most models look nice, and dissipate heat slightly better. All minor items.

Failure rates, dollar value, performance pretty much equivalent among WD, Seagate, Samsung, Fujitsu.

[themaster1]

@ themaster1:

If you read thru those posts you will see a common solution, that is to unplug the light in that portable HDD's enclosure, it makes too much heat

Even in this case the drive itself seems to be fine, its enclosure is known to be a problem

This trick don't work, i know i got two Seagate drives.
Seagate make unrelieable hard drives, word to your wallet.

[ocgw]

@ themaster1:

If you read thru those posts you will see a common solution, that is to unplug the light in that portable HDD's enclosure, it makes too much heat

Even in this case the drive itself seems to be fine, its enclosure is known to be a problem

This trick don't work, i know i got two Seagate drives.
Seagate make unrelieable hard drives, word to your wallet.

Are you telling me you bought (2) Seagate FreeAgent 500GB HDD's?

If you did you really need to start reading product reviews BEFORE you purchase rather than holding on to the rather simplistic notion of buying by brand name alone

If you bought two other Seagate model drives then how would you know if that trick works or not on that particular drive?

I have ( 8 ) Seagate Barracuda HDD's in service and I have not had a single failure, but then again I do my research before I buy

Pics and specs of my HTPC/Home Media Server

(6) Seagate Barracuda 7200.11's in the big aluminum case (4) 1.5TB and (2) 750GB, and (2) 500GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.11's in the black case

https://forum.videohelp.com/topic368691.html

ps. I have owned Maxtor, WD, Fujitsu and Seagate HDD's, and now Samsung HDD's, the only failure I have ever experienced was a Maxtor that I ran loading windows just temporarily w/o out a fan blowing directly on it, I have never run a HDD w/o direct cooling after that, and I have never lost a drive since

ocgw

peace

[minidv2dvd]

Failure rates, dollar value, performance pretty much equivalent among WD, Seagate, Samsung, Fujitsu.

i prefer w.d. blacks. imo the others are noisier. no hitachi on your list either

[ocgw]

Failure rates, dollar value, performance pretty much equivalent among WD, Seagate, Samsung, Fujitsu.

i prefer w.d. blacks. imo the others are noisier. no hitachi on your list either

I prefer what ever HDD has the best performance and reviews @ a reasonable price @ the time of purchase, no brand name loyalty whatsoever, but I do stick w/ the well known brands

ps. I do have (2) 640GB WD Caviar SE's in my main PC because @ the time I bought them their 320GB platters were the densest platters in existance

When I bought the Seagate 1.5TB and 750GB HDD's they had the densest platters @ 375GB

Now The Samsung F3 holds the "Heavyweight Title" w/ their super massive 500GB platters

My old 500GB HDD's in my 2nd PC only have 250GB platters

When I "got hooked" on BF2 I went the WD Raptor route w/ gen 1 Raptor's in RAID0, and upgrade to Fujitsu 15K SAS in RAID0, then high density HDD's evolved to surpass Raptors and smaller affordable SAS HDD's in sustained average read speeds as I was "going digital" w/ my theater, home vids, photography and music systems and w/ my storage needs increased I simply started going w/ the "latest and greatest" big platter HDD's that had good reviews @ newegg by "average joes" and good performance reviews @ "Tom's Harware,"now I am sitting on 11+ TB of mostly Seagate HDD's, and "knock on wood" I have never lost 1

btw I defrag religeously

ocgw

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[deadrats]

They achieve 124.8mb/s sustained average read speed verified by HD Tach by w/ their new ultra dense 500GB platters

here's something i discovered using HD Tachi, i recently bought two 1.5 terabyte 5400 rpm hdd's (samsung) and when running the 8 megabyte zone test each drive achieves roughly 86.5 MB/s and under the 32 megabyte test each drive achieves roughly 93.3 MB/s sustained average read, my three 500 gb 7200 rpm western digital drives achieve roughly 61.5 MB/s and 61.3 MB/s respectively, my 640 gb 7200 rpm western digital achieves 96.1 MB/s and 85.5 MB/s respectively. i think it's funny that a 5400 rpm hdd is faster than a 7200 rpm hdd.

[hech54]

[I have never run a HDD w/o direct cooling after that, and I have never lost a drive since

Direct Cooling?.....what's that?
Still never lost a drive....EVER.

[ocgw]

They achieve 124.8mb/s sustained average read speed verified by HD Tach by w/ their new ultra dense 500GB platters

here's something i discovered using HD Tachi, i recently bought two 1.5 terabyte 5400 rpm hdd's (samsung) and when running the 8 megabyte zone test each drive achieves roughly 86.5 MB/s and under the 32 megabyte test each drive achieves roughly 93.3 MB/s sustained average read, my three 500 gb 7200 rpm western digital drives achieve roughly 61.5 MB/s and 61.3 MB/s respectively, my 640 gb 7200 rpm western digital achieves 96.1 MB/s and 85.5 MB/s respectively. i think it's funny that a 5400 rpm hdd is faster than a 7200 rpm hdd.

My 10K 1st gen 36GB Raptors only did 65mb/s in HD Tach, and my 36GB Fujitsu SAS drives did 92mb/s in HD tach

36GB 15K Fujitsu SAS in RAID0 on a LSI Logic Host Bus Adaptor ($155USD for drives each, $185USD for LSI Logic HBA) (2007)

Gen 1 36GB Raptors in RAID0 (limited by OB software RAID) (2005)



2x 36GB 15K SAS RAID0 array (2007)



Single Seagate Barracuda 7200 1.5TB doing 108mb/s (2008)



HDD's have come a long way in just the last 5 years

I have a lot of Seagate HDD's because they have been "more often than not" the fastest of the high density drives in sustained average sequentual read speeds over the last 2 years

ocgw

peace

[ocgw]

[I have never run a HDD w/o direct cooling after that, and I have never lost a drive since

Direct Cooling?.....what's that?
Still never lost a drive....EVER.

LOL, by "direct cooling" I mean a fan blowing directly on the HDD in close proximity, not relying on a rear mounted fan to draw cool air over the drives thru the front

ocgw

peace

[themaster1]

Are you telling me you bought (2) Seagate FreeAgent 500GB HDD's?

I bought one 2 years ago i had I/O errors with large files (more than 100mb files) all over the place.
Then i went back to replace it , got a brand new one and at the same time i had to buy a new one, a WD 500gb notebook.

the 1st seagate won't understand a damn thing light on or off it's all the same for it
the 2nd a bit better but still not quite right, 10 min after you have put it on you can be assured you'll get i/o errors
the WD no problem (and i use it daily)

If you did you really need to start reading product reviews BEFORE you purchase rather than holding on to the rather simplistic notion of buying by brand name alone

At the time the reviews were good for this product.

[ocgw]

Are you telling me you bought (2) Seagate FreeAgent 500GB HDD's?

I bought one 2 years ago i had I/O errors with large files (more than 100mb files) all over the place.
Then i went back to replace it , got a brand new one and at the same time i had to buy a new one, a WD 500gb notebook.

the 1st seagate won't understand a damn thing light on or off it's all the same for it
the 2nd a bit better but still not quite right, 10 min after you have put it on you can be assured you'll get i/o errors
the WD no problem (and i use it daily)

If you did you really need to start reading product reviews BEFORE you purchase rather than holding on to the rather simplistic notion of buying by brand name alone

At the time the reviews were good for this product.

Well, I am sorry to hear about your misfortune, but that still doesn't make the whole line of Seagate HDD's "not worth a dime"

ocgw

peace

[rallynavvie]

I might still have some Hitachi 75GXPs sitting around somewhere that we can square off against any drive anyone thinks is terrible. I pulled a bunch of Deathstars as war trophies back when they hit the fan. Those and the ancient 5.25" Bigfoot that had so much rotational mass that you could stand your computer on its edge and let the drives hold it there after spinning up.

Drives these days are almost imperceptibly close in performance with each other to the regular consumer. There are always going to be failed drives due to occasional manufacturing defects but I haven't heard of any huge failures in recent history.

[ocgw]

I might still have some Hitachi 75GXPs sitting around somewhere that we can square off against any drive anyone thinks is terrible. I pulled a bunch of Deathstars as war trophies back when they hit the fan. Those and the ancient 5.25" Bigfoot that had so much rotational mass that you could stand your computer on its edge and let the drives hold it there after spinning up.

Drives these days are almost imperceptibly close in performance with each other to the regular consumer. There are always going to be failed drives due to occasional manufacturing defects but I haven't heard of any huge failures in recent history.

My understanding is that most failures of HDD's and psu's are due to poor packaging, and rough handling in shipping

Now there was a big stink in the beginning w/ the first Seagate 1500GB HDD's having bad firmware, and the drives got a bad rep which has stuck w/ them long after the issue has been resolved, that is why you can get them for as low as $109USD

Yeah right, Hitachi Deskstars aka "Deathstars", they got a real bad rap lol

ocgw

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[johns0]

The only hdd i have seen problems with over the years is maxtor,never a problem with seagates or wd or samsungs and this is with customers hdds failing as well,maxtor=crap,glad it got bought out by seagate.

[rallynavvie]

The only hdd i have seen problems with over the years is maxtor,never a problem with seagates or wd or samsungs and this is with customers hdds failing as well,maxtor=crap,glad it got bought out by seagate.

I must have been in the minority because I used lots of Maxtor drives (who had bought out Quantum, of Bigfoot fame) and never had one die. They're all still in storage and last time I pulled one it still ran up just fine (though I think they're getting moved to tape now). In fact the only drive I've ever had die on me personally was a 200GB WD drive which was one of the first 200GB drives to be released to consumers, but it was worked hard as a project drive for 5 years or so before it finally gave it up. I've had several drives get bad sectors but not die completely. Those got RMA'd since they were still within warranty.

My favorite drives are the four 18GB 15k U160 Cheetahs that are running my storage array host. They've been in operation for nearly 10 years running 24/7 in systems I've built. They've made a home of that storage array for over half of that time. They are almost like pets to me now since they've been around so damn long

[minidv2dvd]

I might still have some Hitachi 75GXPs sitting around somewhere that we can square off against any drive anyone thinks is terrible. I pulled a bunch of Deathstars as war trophies back when they hit the fan. Those and the ancient 5.25" Bigfoot that had so much rotational mass that you could stand your computer on its edge and let the drives hold it there after spinning up.

Drives these days are almost imperceptibly close in performance with each other to the regular consumer. There are always going to be failed drives due to occasional manufacturing defects but I haven't heard of any huge failures in recent history.

oh crap. could any of those 75gxp's possibly be an ibm dtla-307045? i've been searching for a couple years for a drive controller board to swap out to try and save some of my father's old data. would have to be a 46.1GB board made around 9-2000.

if i could borrow one, i'd return it and the drive if you want another

[rallynavvie]

Even if they are that specific part # they are quite dead

[ocgw]

The only hdd i have seen problems with over the years is maxtor,never a problem with seagates or wd or samsungs and this is with customers hdds failing as well,maxtor=crap,glad it got bought out by seagate.

I used to be a fan of the Maxtor "Diamond Max Plus" series when I first got started, and switched away from them when my first and only) HDD (a Maxtor of course) died the first day I used it (w/o proper cooling on it, was a little short on fans that day)

ocgw

peace

[minidv2dvd]

Even if they are that specific part # they are quite dead

yeah parts that work for those drives are scarce. i only need the removable board off the bottom. oh well.....

[Dr_Layne]

This must be a fluke. Hitatchi 1TB SATA Drive.

[minidv2dvd]

the drive fairly slow at 72.4MB/s the burst is not even possible since the sata II controller maxes out at 300MB/s