Trying to get an OLD program to run on a "newer" pc....

[Noahtuck]

Hey

Well i would have used a more exacting title but i'm pretty sure no one will ever come along and need to solve this same problem....


I have a really old adobe photoshop program, adobe photodeluxe 2.0

The thing is it runs fine on an older AMD 1.6ghz machine with 1gb of the old 168 pin SDRAM.

But any of my other 3 machines that are 1.8-2.0ghz that have 1.5gb & use 184 pin DDR ramm, it will install but whenever i try to run it, it always throws up an error saying "not enough memory"

They are all running XP Pro so the only difference is the type of ramm.

I am guessing it is not recognizing the newer DDR ramm due to how old the program is & the way the code was written.

But i would like to get it to run on the other PC's with the newer type ramm.

Any idea's how to do this ??

[Nelson37]

There are several differences other than the type of RAM. Speed and type of processor for one, but my guess would be the total amount available. Try reducing to 1 gb, no more. Some older progs do not deal correctly with amounts over 1 gb.

Also double-check the Service Pack on all machines.

Also eliminate ALL other running software.

[edDV]

That is a lot of RAM for then (1999).

Maybe it needs Win98 or NT emulation. I'm sure I have a copy down in the garage somewhere.

[MOVIEGEEK]

I would try pulling out one stick of RAM to see if that helps but it's most likely the FSB, I have old programs that run fine on 133MHz but choke on 533MHz.

[Noahtuck]

There are several differences other than the type of RAM. Speed and type of processor for one, but my guess would be the total amount available. Try reducing to 1 gb, no more. Some older progs do not deal correctly with amounts over 1 gb.

Also double-check the Service Pack on all machines.

Also eliminate ALL other running software.

Well, the only thing i can come up with is the type of ramm because the 1.6ghz machine has had anywhere from 256mb of ramm up to the 1gb or ramm & the program has run fine.

I actually tried it on my main 2.0ghz PC, way back when, before upgrading the ramm to 1.5gb and it did not work.

I have actually swapped the CPU's over the years but the mobo & type of ramm for each machine has stayed the same.
They are all socket A cpu's, just varying speeds.

And the machines with DDR ramm have all had from 512mb of ramm to 1.5gb of ramm.

I run SP 2 on all machines, nothing more nothing less.

And as for the

Also eliminate ALL other running software.

That actually never crossed my mind, but i just wiped clean and installed XP Pro on my 2ghz system and the first thing i installed was this program, just to see if i could get it to work, and it still gave me the same error
I was just hoping to eliminate one of my 5 machines now running by finally getting this program to run on one of the 4 machines using DDR ramm.

Just for the heck of it, i tried installing it on my new build with Vista Ultimate 64bit and it would not even install
But i was pretty sure it would not work even if it did install.

That is a lot of RAM for then (1999).

Yeah i know!!
I was gonna say i thought the program was over 10 years old but i was not sure, i just new it was ancient!!

Thats why i thought it might have something to do with how it was written, the code, and it was not recognizing the diff. type of ramm or ??

Maybe it needs Win98 or NT emulation. I'm sure I have a copy down in the garage somewhere.

Well it runs fine under XP Pro with the older style ramm.
And although Win98 is my second real love, i'd hate to go back to it on a 2ghz machine just for this program
Heck, i still have my first original Windows 3.1 & dos 7 disc's but i am not gonna use either of them just for this program

I may try it again with less DDR ramm to see if it will work but with my luck i doubt it.....

If all else fails i will keep my older machine running.
It is an ancient program but i can do certain things with it that the newer/newest PS's do not seem to do or as easily.

Keep the idea's coming though!!!!
The more heads, ideas & brainstorming is always good!!!!!!!

[Noahtuck]

I would try pulling out one stick of RAM to see if that helps but it's most likely the FSB, I have old programs that run fine on 133MHz but choke on 533MHz.

Yep... that could be it.... i just figured, hoped that maybe there was some workaround so i could use it on a newer machine.

I know even back years ago i ran into some problems with older games trying to get them to run right on newer machines.
waaaaay back in the day.....

Damn!!!!!

I am feeling old again!!!
LOL!!!!!

[Cornucopia]

Try it out on a customized VM first. You can then specify the OS, amount of RAM seen, HT-capable or not, etc. This can help isolate the problem feature/setting.

Heck, once you got it working there, you may just want to always run it there.

Scott

[Video Head]

Didn't that used to be bundled with inkjet printers and scanners in the days of the dial-up connection?

PII 233 MMX's ran that great. I'd just hang around the recycle bin at Staples and see what shows up...

[Graham1942]

When program installed find the .exe file right click goto properties the the Compatibility tab will see what compatibility you want to run Windows 95 etc. This might help

[jagabo]

I've seen old programs choke when there is too much memory. The program may be asking the OS for the available memory then making some calculations and running into a numeric overflow that corrupt the calculation.

Under windows, it's not the physical memory that the program sees but the virtual memory (physical + swap file).

Try running in a VM with limited memory and swap file. Even no swap file.

[ocgw]

ummmm....I know the OP love his program but, has anyone here tried Adobe Lightroom, it is slick, but not over complicated, and not too expensive

lightroom 1.4 is my fav image editing software, and I have Photoshop CS3, I would have to quit my job to really learn Photoshop lol

ps. I have not run a swap file in a good while, (3 or 4 years perhaps)

ocgw

peace

[jagabo]

ps. I have not run a swap file in a good while, (3 or 4 years perhaps)

Yeah, on my 4 GB machines I've disabled the paging file too.

[Noahtuck]

Didn't that used to be bundled with inkjet printers and scanners in the days of the dial-up connection?

PII 233 MMX's ran that great. I'd just hang around the recycle bin at Staples and see what shows up...

Huh ??
I have the 2nd to latest PS i just like this old one for certain aspects.
So no need to hang out around staples

When program installed find the .exe file right click goto properties the the Compatibility tab will see what compatibility you want to run Windows 95 etc. This might help

Already tried that but it was pretty much not an issue because the machine it runs on has the same OS.

@ ocgw
Yep, my friend has a newer version i believe & she uses stuff like Topaz adjust & denoise, on top of quite a few others but those just popped to mind.


Anywho, i got it working from everyone's suggestions about the VM.

It was set to custom size of "Initial size 2046" & "Maximum size 4092", i switched it to "system managed size" and it fired right up.

So far there does not seem to be any disadvantages but i will see as i reinstall more software and run it.

It never even crossed my mind, i just figured it was because of the program being so old and the new style of ramm messing it up.
And it was not real high on my priority but i just decided to see what could be done if anything.

Thanks for the ideas!!

[ocgw]

I have 8 GB of ram and I saw when I first loaded Windows 7 on a 50GB partition I noticed I didn't have a lot of available space, if I allowed windows to manage a swap drive for me it will assign up to 12GB of memory to the swap file

ocgw

peace