Need advice on Computer with AGP slot

[TaranScorp]

I'm looking for a computer on a budget with a AGP slot for Capture cards.
I have a Dell 4400 P4 1.7 with 1GB memory and am thinking of the Dell 8300 which was Dell's last model
with an AGP slot. and can take up to 4GB memory and capable of a P4 3.4 -800 FSB CPU.
All I want to do with the computer is to Capture from VHS and to Re-encode movies. I also do photo editing with PhotoShop. I do no gaming. So are there any other good choices other then the Dell 8300? Which would be around $300 or $400 used.
By the way it takes my 4400 about 12 hours to do two movie backups with ProCoder with Mastering quality.

[ocgw]

agp slot is the old slot for gfx output

What you want is a analog capture card which I know can be had in PCI, and probably PCI-e x1

K-World PCI analog cap TV tuner card w/ remote $30USD for example

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815260017

This 1 by Pinnacle for $50USD has really good reviews

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815144028

ocgw

peace

[Bjs]

http://www.avermedia-usa.com/products/dvm_AVerDVD_ezMakerPro.shtml ... gaming consoles tested

[TaranScorp]

I really like the ATI AGP cards.
What do you guys think of this motherboard?

ASRock 939A8X-M
Socket 939 MicroATX Motherboard-w/ AGP 8x

I would have to get used to AMD Athlon processors.
but the board has an AGP slot and I think it would be twice as fast as my P4 1.7 I hope.

[minidv2dvd]

asrock makes decent motherboards, they are the low cost division of asus.

this board will take quad core intel chips and has an agp slot.
ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 LGA 775 VIA PT880 Pro/PT880 Ultra ATX Intel Motherboard - available at newegg

i've used a couple for friends low cost builds and they work. nothing fancy, but no major problems other than they are built on a via chipset, which i avoid for my own builds.

[TaranScorp]

Wow, it even has a PCI Express slot for future upgrades.
Why don't you like the via chipset? Which I do not know anything about.
But I really like the card, it accepts a lot of different CPU Types.

[ocgw]

I really like the ATI AGP cards.
What do you guys think of this motherboard?

ASRock 939A8X-M
Socket 939 MicroATX Motherboard-w/ AGP 8x

I would have to get used to AMD Athlon processors.
but the board has an AGP slot and I think it would be twice as fast as my P4 1.7 I hope.

Dudes, while there are a couple of ATI gfx cards w/ Video I/O (and you have to input audio to your sound card) the agp slot is the old slot for your gaming card, you put capture cards in the PCI slots

There is no reason to buy a obsolete agp mobo to capture analog video

I wan't going to say anything yet but my 20 year old daughter has a e-machines P4 641 "Ceddar Mill" PC that I am upgrading, I went w/ this......

ASUS M3A76-CM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131376

AMD Athlon II X2 245 Regor 2.9GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM3 65W Dual-Core Processor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16819103687

ocgw

peace

[minidv2dvd]

There is no reason to buy a obsolete agp mobo to capture analog video

ours is not to question why, but to answer the question. hehe,,, anyway there are some "older" agp cards that are fast enough to be better than a motherboard with a built in video chip. like i said, i've built systems with quad core q6600s and agp vid cards by request.

as for the via chipset, they are never quite as stable or fast as an intel chipset. close but always secondish.

[TaranScorp]

I thought that most of the ATI All In Wonder cards were AGP which is what I have been using.

"this board will take quad core intel chips and has an agp slot."
ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 LGA 775 VIA PT880 Pro/PT880 Ultra ATX Intel Motherboard

I have six IDE HD's which I don't see this board taking.
But I could be ignorant on this point.
Never mind it takes PATA which equals IDE.
Plus I have a PCI add on controller card for the other IDE HD's.
This is going to my first computer build after buying Dell's or Gateway's for 20 years.

[ocgw]

There is no reason to buy a obsolete agp mobo to capture analog video

ours is not to question why, but to answer the question. hehe,,, anyway there are some "older" agp cards that are fast enough to be better than a motherboard with a built in video chip. like i said, i've built systems with quad core q6600s and agp vid cards by request.

as for the via chipset, they are never quite as stable or fast as an intel chipset. close but always secondish.

Dude you don't have to question why if you don't want to, but I am going to point out his obvious misunderstanding because I don't want him to waste his money

I never said that IG was better than a agp card, I have a old ATI 2600XT in the drawer to add to my daughters PC, I bought that mobo because it has 4 DDR2 slots and a full 5200MT/s HT bus on a micro atx mobo and it has excellent reviews @ newegg, what i am doing is upgrading a small e-machines budget box for $125USD

I see now what his reasoning is, but it costs just as much to buy old tech as it does to buy new tech

My advice is for him to buy a modern up to date mobo and cpu, a new up to date capture card

It would be cheaper and make more sense than buying a whole new PC that is already outdated

Seriously agp shouldn't even be in our vocabulary anymore, especially when we are shopping and have good money to spend lol

@ TaraScorp: If you understand my reasoning, and are indicate you are interested I will spec up a build for you that will make a much more capable PC for less money

ocgw

peace

[TaranScorp]

ocgw, I sense you mean well and have a good heart but for me having a PCI Express x4 slot and having 1066/800MHz FSB and having 2GB Ram and the option for nine CPU types is hight tech for me right now.
Did I mention I'm 51 years old?
I've been using a Dell P4 1.7 for seven years now with a ATI AIW 7500 in it and now am thinking of getting a AIW 9200 or 9600 or a 9800 which all take AGP and capture very well from VHS and TV very well. I want to still use my Dell for captures and the new mobo for capturing and encoding and Photoshop work. I do not game at all so I'm kinda happy with the "ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 LGA 775 VIA PT880 Pro/PT880 Ultra ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Upgrade motherboard with AGP Slot"

[ocgw]

ocgw, I sense you mean well and have a good heart but for me having a PCI Express x4 slot and having 1066/800MHz FSB and having 2GB Ram and the option for nine CPU types is hight tech for me right now.
Did I mention I'm 51 years old?
I've been using a Dell P4 1.7 for seven years now with a ATI AIW 7500 in it and now am thinking of getting a AIW 9200 or 9600 or a 9800 which all take AGP and capture very well from VHS and TV very well. I want to still use my Dell for captures and the new mobo for capturing and encoding and Photoshop work. I do not game at all so I'm kinda happy with the "ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 LGA 775 VIA PT880 Pro/PT880 Ultra ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Upgrade motherboard with AGP Slot"

I will be 45 Sept 26 lol

ocgw

peace

[Almost Human]

I'm 64, and it's going to be a while before I give up my ATI All-in-Wonder 7500 AGP card. The power and flexibility of the AIW's can't be beat.

The "ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 LGA 775 VIA PT880 Pro/PT880 Ultra ATX Intel Motherboard" is a terrific mate to the AIW cards. Use Catalyst 4.12 and MMC 9.03 for best results.

I have an AIW9000 as a spare, and thinking of getting a spare motherboard just keep me going for a couple more years. I upgraded the CPU to a E5200 with a BSEL mod running 3.5 GHz (280x12.5).

Long live AGP!

[Video Head]

The ATI AIW cards are quite often worth keeping going. A few posters here are probably doing so for various reasons. My AIW 9800 Pro is still running strong. I own a couple of newer cards that use the enhanced PCI 16x slot and although they are good they just don't offer the same level of user control. Probably a good thing for the general population, bad for those of us who have been doing this for years and are used to being able to make changes. Fully automatic does not automatically mean better. It usually means that it has been pre-tuned for the average user and will be acceptable to them as they are not aware that it could be different.

[sanlyn]

Wow, it even has a PCI Express slot for future upgrades.
Why don't you like the via chipset? Which I do not know anything about.
But I really like the card, it accepts a lot of different CPU Types.

Did you say "Wow!"? I'm sure that's what you'll say when you compare your ATI captures with the crud you get from today's PCI cards. Good luck.

[bendixG15]

There is no reason to buy a obsolete agp mobo to capture analog video

as for the via chipset, they are never quite as stable or fast as an intel chipset. close but always secondish.

I gave up on VIA chipsets a few years ago after having several bad experiences with compatability.
They may be okay today, but for a few bucks I rather stick with Intel.

[TaranScorp]

sanlyn.
What I meant is besides the mobo having a AGP slot for the ATI All In Wonder cards the card also has a Pcie slot for other card possibilities.

Which leads me to ask if I can run a non AIW card in the Pcie slot as my primary video card and have a ATI AIW card in the AGP slot. Will the bios let me configure one as primary and one as secondary?

[ocgw]

sanlyn.
What I meant is besides the mobo having a AGP slot for the ATI All In Wonder cards the card also has a Pcie slot for other card possibilities.

Which leads me to ask if I can run a non AIW card in the Pcie slot as my primary video card and have a ATI AIW card in the AGP slot. Will the bios let me configure one as primary and one as secondary?

I don't think you would need the BIOS for that, just setup dual monitors in display properties, but I have never seen a PCI-e x4 display card

ocgw

peace

[TaranScorp]

Can't I use any Pcie graphics card and the mobo will just run it at 4x?
I just want the ATI AIW card to be resting when I'm not capturing and let the Pcie card take most of the wear.

[ocgw]

Can't I use any Pcie graphics card and the mobo will just run it at 4x?
I just want the ATI AIW card to be resting when I'm not capturing and let the Pcie card take most of the wear.

You of course now that the PCI Express x4 slot is physically smaller than a PCI Express x16 slot

some mobo's have PCI Express x16 physical size slots that run electrically @ x8 or x4 but this is not the case here

No one makes a PCI Express x4 gfx card, but I have found a PCI Express x1 card that SHOULD work in a PCI Express x4 slot

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161197

ocgw

peace

[TaranScorp]

Well here's a pic of the mobo and the slot for Pcie looks longer then the connector on the card you chose.
We'll figure this out yet

[ocgw]

Well here's a pic of the mobo and the slot for Pcie looks longer then the connector on the card you chose.
We'll figure this out yet

Well I'll be damned, I have never seen this type of mobo layout before, that must a PCI Express x16 slot that runs @ x4 electrically, so you shouldn't have problem running a PCI Express x1 card in it

Now a full PCI Express x16 gfx card may fit, but I have never heard of running 1 electrically lower than x8, you will have to find out about that

ocgw

peace

[minidv2dvd]

the purple slot is a pci-e graphics slot but it only runs at 4x not 16x. from the website these are the pci-e cards that will work in it.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/vga.asp?Model=4CoreDual-SATA2%20R2.0&s=775

there is at least one still available.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127422

[TaranScorp]

minidv2dvd,
Do you think that card would fit next to the 9600XT with a fan?
I'm hoping they don't interfere with each other.
Also does Nvidia and ATI play together on the same computer?

I just read this
"go for a EVGA type since all versions now come out of the box capable of runnung in any mobo; regardless of which PCI-E generation slot it has"
I wonder if this is true and I should look for EVGA card has a plain graphics card.

[ocgw]

minidv2dvd,
Do you think that card would fit next to the 9600XT with a fan?
I'm hoping they don't interfere with each other.

Sure it will fit, it will be underneath your AIW w/ its fan facing down

ocgw

peace

[minidv2dvd]

i'd agree with ocgw. that card takes up 2 slots, but the extra one will be one of the pci slots you won't be able to use.

i've never tried mixing nvidia and ati, but if you went with a new ati card you most likely would have to use one of their new catalyst drivers, and is that what you want to use with the aiw also?

i would guess if that nvidia 250 card works, just about any should. newegg has an evga 9500gt for 49.99 after rebate with free shipping that looks reasonable.

[TaranScorp]

I was going to use 6.2 drivers and 9.02 mmc with the 9600 AIW card.
I'm not a gamer so the other card would be for Photoshop and browsing and
watching bits of movies off the HD.

Now I'm starting to think I should just use two ATI cards.
One beater card which would be primary and the second for capturing.
They both should utilize the driver.

[sanlyn]

sanlyn.
What I meant is besides the mobo having a AGP slot for the ATI All In Wonder cards the card also has a Pcie slot for other card possibilities.

Which leads me to ask if I can run a non AIW card in the Pcie slot as my primary video card and have a ATI AIW card in the AGP slot. Will the bios let me configure one as primary and one as secondary?

OK, TaranScorp, I see what ya mean. From what I've seen in the past, it should work. Question is which one to make as your primary. ATI's MMC might not install, though the drivers should (I havent used MMC in years anyway, I just capture elsewhere with the AIW AGP). I just took a quick search of the forum and didn't find any specific complaints, but, then, I didn't find anything on a configuration exactly like this one.

[TaranScorp]

Ok, I just found out that the ATI RADEON X600 PRO which is Pcie takes the same drivers(6.2) as the ATI AIW 9600 card.
So both cards should work on the same computer? I think I just have to set the X600 as primary in the bios.

[sanlyn]

So both cards should work on the same computer? I think I just have to set the X600 as primary in the bios.

Either would do as primary, I guess, but the experience of many users has been that the 9600 has superior performance for captures and display, than the X600. I don't think color looked as clean on the "Xxxx" series as they did with the 7500 - 9600's., tho the X's still throw a better image than their competitors. Once ATI and Nvidia began implementing more and more digital processing, color starting looking a little "lean" (I can't think of any other word right now) and became noisy under certain conditions.