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  1. Hi. I have an NTSC VHS video tape (home movie stuff), and a PAL video player, which supports NTSC playback. I am trying to record the NTSC video onto the PC using the composite input of my Hauppauge HVR-1300 card. I have successfully done this with PAL tapes.
    I have a problem though, as, when changing the setting to NTSC within the Hauppauge software, the picture is black and white, and that's all I can capture, a black and white video. If I leave the setting on PAL, then the video is distorted slightly, and you can only sort of see half of it, even though it's in colour.
    My objective is to create either an NTSC (preferable) or PAL DVD from the video tape. But I can't get the video onto my PC, because of the above.
    Can anyone tell me what the problem might be please?

    Another method I have tried is to simply record the video to my Panasonic DMR-ES10 DVD recorder. But I have the same issue as above, in that if the Panasonic is left on PAL, the picture is half way up the screen, but in colour. And if I change the Panasonic setting to NTSC, the picture is black and white.

    My objective is to create either as an NTSC DVD (Preferable) or a PAL one.
    Is there anything I can do with the equipment I have at the moment?
    Thanks!
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    Your VHS player doesn't output a true NTSC signal...none of the European players do(ok...95% don't). Very few capture cards/devices can record that "quasi" signal.
    Look at the bright side....at least you can watch an NTSC tape in PAL country....Americans can't even see what is on a PAL tape.
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  3. Thanks very much for your reply, it's appreciated.
    I understand what you say.

    What are my best options to capture an NTSC VHS video then?
    Would it solve this, if I bought a 'proper' American NTSC video player/recorder, and connected that to either my Panasonic DVD recorder, or my Hauppauge HVR-1300 card. As I assume then, it will be a true NTSC signal.

    Or, are there any capture cards/devices which would handle the 'non-proper' NTSC output from the video player I have at the moment.

    Thanks!
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    The VCR is outputting a PAL60 signal.

    Have a look at the set-up menu of your DVD recorder to see if a PAL60 input option is available.
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  5. Originally Posted by danno78
    Thanks very much for the links. I understand this issue a great deal more now.
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  6. Originally Posted by rhegedus
    The VCR is outputting a PAL60 signal.

    Have a look at the set-up menu of your DVD recorder to see if a PAL60 input option is available.
    Thanks for your reply. I understand what you mean.
    The DVD recorder has no PAL 60 option, only PAL and NTSC, which I assume is a 'true' NTSC' signal.

    I think I need a video player that will play true NTSC, or a capture device that supports PAL 60.

    Unfortunately, both seem rare.
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    ATI All-in-wonder AGP Radeon did PAL60.
    Or buy NTSC VCR and import.
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  8. Is it a number of tapes or just one? and did a relative/friend send it from NTSC land? If so, do they have the original and could send you a dvd copy of it using their dvd recorder, then you are home and dry.

    or:-

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NTSC-Betamax-VHS-c-compact-transfer-to-DVD-or-web-files_W0QQitemZ320391546279QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_C onsumerElec_VCRs?hash=item4a98d305a7&_trksid=p3286 .c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1683| 240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

    or

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/multiple-system-jvc-video-b-g-d-k-i-m-ntsc-pal-secam_W0QQitemZ160346468459QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_C onsumerElec_VCRs?hash=item255564f06b&_trksid=p3286 .c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1690| 240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A2|294%3A50

    but my experience with multi system vcr's is the picture quality is basic other than the Panasonic AG-W1 which I have that is very good

    The only dvd recorders I know of that will accept a PAL 60 signal (that which is created playing NTSC on a Pal vcr) are Pioneer.
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  9. Originally Posted by victoriabears
    Is it a number of tapes or just one? and did a relative/friend send it from NTSC land? If so, do they have the original and could send you a dvd copy of it using their dvd recorder, then you are home and dry.

    or:-

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NTSC-Betamax-VHS-c-compact-transfer-to-DVD-or-web-files_W0QQitemZ320391546279QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_C onsumerElec_VCRs?hash=item4a98d305a7&_trksid=p3286 .c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1683| 240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

    or

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/multiple-system-jvc-video-b-g-d-k-i-m-ntsc-pal-secam_W0QQitemZ160346468459QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_C onsumerElec_VCRs?hash=item255564f06b&_trksid=p3286 .c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1690| 240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A2|294%3A50

    but my experience with multi system vcr's is the picture quality is basic other than the Panasonic AG-W1 which I have that is very good

    The only dvd recorders I know of that will accept a PAL 60 signal (that which is created playing NTSC on a Pal vcr) are Pioneer.
    Thanks for the continued replies. A great help. I really do appreciate your time and efforts.

    How about this one? -

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330340143107&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123
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  10. Its a medical vcr and I cannot find confirmation it will play a true NTSC signal.

    but:-

    http://www.esmo.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=58&products_id=799&osCsid=fc8cc8d86...bc0416d5263421

    You will need bnc to phono connector adaptors
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  11. Originally Posted by pbar
    Originally Posted by rhegedus
    The VCR is outputting a PAL60 signal.

    Have a look at the set-up menu of your DVD recorder to see if a PAL60 input option is available.
    Thanks for your reply. I understand what you mean.
    The DVD recorder has no PAL 60 option, only PAL and NTSC, which I assume is a 'true' NTSC' signal.

    I think I need a video player that will play true NTSC, or a capture device that supports PAL 60.

    Unfortunately, both seem rare.
    That's not that rare
    Look out for terratec products
    I have the cynergy 250 pci card it does support pal60. Work flawlessly.
    In fact, in my experience and like i live in france i always had cards (pci cards) that supported pal, secam & ntsc (pal60).

    Terratec don't make pci cards now like many manufacturers, but they make THIS instead. The only problem is it only do mpeg convertion on the fly, no possibilty to capture avi lossless...
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    I think I remember capturing PAL60 with an old Hauppauge WinTv card with btwincap drivers a few years back.

    There's another link here: https://www.videohelp.com/forum/archive/pal-60-compatible-external-capture-device-t351237.html

    you can pick up the cards for £5 on ebay.
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    Many cheap tuners are available with Philips SAA713X. Drivers for all this capture cards are provided by Philips with included suport for Pal60. All work with DScaler. DScaler has its own drivers.

    http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/TVCard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=TV+Card&Produ...tName=GT-P6000
    http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/TVCard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=TV+Card&Produ...tName=GT-P5100
    http://global.kworld-global.com/main/prod_in.aspx?mnuid=1248&modid=6&pcid=38&ifid=16&prodid=15

    Also AsusAsus MyCinema-P7131/Analog, Asus MyCinema-P7131H, TV Tuner Kworld PVR-TV 7134SE, TV Tuner Avermedia AverTV-Super007 are good.
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  14. Great info, thanks everyone. More and more options so that's fantastic. I think the route I will look at first, is a VHS player that will play true NTSC (NTSC 3.58, as opposed to NTSC 4.43 which is PAL 60, I think!) as that will give me two capture options, as I can either use my current capture card or my current Panasonic DVD recorder.
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  15. Originally Posted by victoriabears
    Its a medical vcr and I cannot find confirmation it will play a true NTSC signal.

    but:-

    http://www.esmo.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=58&products_id=799&osCsid=fc8cc8d86...bc0416d5263421

    You will need bnc to phono connector adaptors
    Researching this, it has a switch on the back giving the options - 'NTSC 3.58', 'NTSC 4.43' and 'ON PAL TV'.
    So, I assume it will play true NTSC, which is NTSC 3.58.

    I can't decide now, whether to go for that one, or the JVC one which you mentioned for me.
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    Just buy a cheap capture card - shipping alone on a VCR will cost more
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  17. Originally Posted by rhegedus
    Just buy a cheap capture card - shipping alone on a VCR will cost more
    Yes, you're right, it will.
    However, picking up a second hand one, still makes it a reasonably cheap option. Around £30 with shipping.
    And it will give me the versatility of copying straight to my standalone DVD recorder also.
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  18. Originally Posted by pbar
    Great info, thanks everyone. More and more options so that's fantastic. I think the route I will look at first, is a VHS player that will play true NTSC (NTSC 3.58, as opposed to NTSC 4.43 which is PAL 60, I think!) as that will give me two capture options, as I can either use my current capture card or my current Panasonic DVD recorder.
    That's where you're mistaken.
    A ntsc vhs played on a high end s-vhs EURO vcr (the which output pal 60 hertz / 4.43) will look better and that have been confirmed here by some u.s residents. The main reason is that the chroma is decoded via the pal color sub carrier the which solve the tint problem and other color problems inherent of ntsc.
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  19. I would go with the Sony, what do others think, any idea what the tapes were recorded on, which brand of vcr?
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  20. Originally Posted by themaster1
    Originally Posted by pbar
    Great info, thanks everyone. More and more options so that's fantastic. I think the route I will look at first, is a VHS player that will play true NTSC (NTSC 3.58, as opposed to NTSC 4.43 which is PAL 60, I think!) as that will give me two capture options, as I can either use my current capture card or my current Panasonic DVD recorder.
    That's where you're mistaken.
    A ntsc vhs played on a high end s-vhs EURO vcr (the which output pal 60 hertz / 4.43) will look better and that have been confirmed here by some u.s residents. The main reason is that the chroma is decoded via the pal color sub carrier the which solve the tint problem and other color problems inherent of ntsc.
    I think you're mistaking the problem here. I am unable to capture from a device which plays NTSC tapes using NTSC 4.43 format.
    That's the crux of the problem. I need true NTSC output.
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  21. Originally Posted by victoriabears
    I would go with the Sony, what do others think, any idea what the tapes were recorded on, which brand of vcr?
    I have several to capture. The tape brands are nothing fantastic, everything from Sony to supermarket. I was inclined to opt for the JVC, as the Sony seemed a little overkill with it being medical based. Can't decide though!
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  22. i was going on my single experience with a jvc multi system vcr which was poor, and that jvc build quality is not as good as Sonys of that era.

    The medical aspect of a vcr does not mean a better image by the way.
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  23. Originally Posted by victoriabears
    i was going on my single experience with a jvc multi system vcr which was poor, and that jvc build quality is not as good as Sonys of that era.

    The medical aspect of a vcr does not mean a better image by the way.
    I understand what you're saying. And it makes sense.
    When you say the JVC is poor, as regards to the image quality, is it similar to say... a typical high street £40 video recorder... or worse?
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  24. about the same, a lot depends on the tapes compatibility with the vcr, I have a tape and it plays best on the cheapest vcr !
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  25. Originally Posted by victoriabears
    about the same, a lot depends on the tapes compatibility with the vcr, I have a tape and it plays best on the cheapest vcr !
    Thanks for your continued help with this.
    I'm torn between the two, but I'm thinking of the JVC. For a few reasons... the seller has a returns option in case of a problem, it has the remote, it's more of a home standard VCR, with scart, RF, etc.

    All of the above I do not get with the Sony... although incidentally, it does have a phono video output I think, on the front of the unit, with BNC at the back. Although no connection types would be an issue for me.

    Image quality is the important thing though of course. Still torn between the two!
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  26. Are you certain that the JVC model plays NTSC 3.58?

    I've just discovered - it's labelled as such on the front of the unit, so yes! As well as PAL and NTSC 4.43
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  27. A thought about this process, does your tv take a pure ntsc signal, if not how are you going to watch the tape? Although if your Panasonic dvd recorder is set to ntsc it will record as such.

    I recall that those Panasonic dvd recorders will accept a ntsc signal, record as such even if it is set to pal and will show as pal on your tv, I am not 100% sure though.
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    Originally Posted by pbar
    I'm torn between the two, but I'm thinking of the JVC. For a few reasons... the seller has a returns option in case of a problem, it has the remote, it's more of a home standard VCR, with scart, RF, etc.
    I hope you know for certain. A true NTSC machine would NOT have Scart connections.
    You might just be purchasing a "worldwide, multi-format" VCR....and that is basically
    the same thing we have here in Europe. They also don't output a true NTSC signal.
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  29. A lot of multi standard vcr's are made for the Australian/Far East market and could well have scart, but they output the signal of the tape no converting.
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