cd/dvd printing

[wingfan]

just bought a canon ip4600 which does cd/dvd printing .. discs bought are verbatim printables (datalife plus -- made in taiwan).

question is im noticing playback on the discs (once burned and printed) that the discs freeze/stutter .. samsung hd860 dvd player. never had issues with cd labels (stickies) and taiyo yuden discs.

i burn always at 4x speed.

with the canon printing i print first then burn the disc. should i do the reverse? think that would make a difference? what could be the issue?

[jman98]

I have used Verbatim DataLifePlus like you have. I now prefer to use Taiyo Yuden's Watersheld discs. The glossy surface on the TY's discs cannot be beat. But anyway, you should ALWAYS burn the data prior to printing. I suppose that printing the labels first could theoretically be hot enough to damage the dye on the data side. Give it a shot by burning the data first and see if it gets better. The DataLifePlus series of disks from Verbatim are reliably excellent in my opinion. I guess it's possible that your Samsung player just doesn't like the media, but since it's really top notch media, I think that changing the order in which you do things will solve your problem.

[gadgetguy]

Most likely an incompatibility between the discs and your burners firmware or an media incompatibility with the player. Are these CDs or DVDs? +R, -R, +RW, -RW? Is your player designed to play all formats? Printing on an inkjet printable disc, whether before or after burning, won't cause the problems you're describing. Try updating your burner's firmware.

[wingfan]

i have used these same discs before (they are -R btw) and used to use sticky labels on them! now that im burning direct to disc issues occur.. so i dont thnk its the dvd player, i assume it is the order like jman98 said, gonna try that out.

[gadgetguy]

I normally burn before print because I'd just as soon not waste the ink if the burn isn't good, but I have done it both ways and never had a difference in performance.

[Snakebyte1]

I always burn first then print. Actually I burn, then test, then print, then test again. I have an Epson R220, and the documentation that came with it said to burn first - so I do!

[stiltman]

I normally burn before print because I'd just as soon not waste the ink if the burn isn't good, but I have done it both ways and never had a difference in performance.

[AOL] Me Too [/AOL]

Totally agree. Ink costs almost as much as the disc.
I'm not going to waste it on a possible bad burn

[wingfan]

i burned before printing and watched the entire movie without a hiccup .. go figure! BUT i also used Nero 7.8 instead of ImgBurn which is what I had been using for a while now, i went back to Nero which used to use before Img Burn. so could be that instead of print first thing?

[Snakebyte1]

Its difficult to to know if we are only talking about 1 disk, there is no pattern to see yet. I take it you've verified there are no scratches or dirt on the disc, no ink that might have got on where it shouldn't be?

You might have to invest a bit in trying out a few things and seeing what happens. Burn and print a few using Nero, burn and print a few using ImgBurn. Burn some and print, burn some and don't print. Try some different brand of discs Etc. Then look at the results and see if there is a pattern of failures and if so stick with what works.

[jman98]

i burned before printing and watched the entire movie without a hiccup .. go figure! BUT i also used Nero 7.8 instead of ImgBurn which is what I had been using for a while now, i went back to Nero which used to use before Img Burn. so could be that instead of print first thing?

It is highly unlikely that ImgBurn is hosing you and Nero is fixing your problem. We recommend ImgBurn for a reason and not just because it's free. Nero does some senseless things when burning DVDs. It compresses BUPs and IFOs into the same block so that if that block ever goes bad, it makes the disc unplayable. BUPs and IFOs are supposed to be in different blocks to prevent this from happening, but putting them in the same block is technically allowed by DVD standards. Whether Nero does this as the result of bad programming or simply to save space because it thinks you, the consumer, are too stupid to manage the space correctly yourself is a question that I cannot answer. Nero also had a horrible reputation for DL burning in the past and made a lot of coasters. I stopped buying Nero years ago at version 6. I still use it for making CD audio discs and a few data disc burns, but that's it.

[OldeMan]

Long time video hobbyist, used to have a large collection of VHS tapes. Over the years moved to DVD.

I've been printing on DVD(s) for a long time and gone through a couple of Epson R200s. The Epson (s) have good print quality but a terrible cartridge design for a CD/DVD only printer. I currently use a HP C5280 for DVD printing. The HP is powered off except when printing DVD(s). The HP cartridge design is much better for occasional use whereas the Epson design would clog the print heads while just sitting there.

I prefer Verbatium (made in Taiwan) DVD+R for its error recovery and bit-setting capability. Burned DVD(s) set to DVD-ROM mode have the highest DVD player compatibility. These are available at your friendly Sams store in 100packs. I burn 16X rated DVD(s) at 8X. With the great Imgburn and a Pioneer DVD burner under XP, I can't remember my last bad burn. I vaguely remember a big greasy fingerprint may cause one...

I time-shift TV shows with a hard disk DVD recorder. I burn DVD(s) in high speed mode from the DVD recorder. In my experience, real time burns cause premature laser death in DVD recorders. I also shoot amateur barbershop chorus with a camcorder and produce not-for-sale DVD(s) for their personal use in small volume. Occasionally convert friends camcorder tapes to DVD for them.

I've printed DVD(s) both before and after burning and have never noticed any difference. I'm sure I've burned/printed more than a thousand since printable burnable DVD(s) became available. My handwriting with a Sharpie just looks so bad...

I don't print full surface color on DVD. I print mostly text and small icons spread around the surface. I spray production printed DVD(s) with Pat Nimrocks (sp?) (from Wal$Mart) matte protective spray to provide resistance to wet fingertips.

I guess you could create a serious out-of-balance DVD if you tried to.

My senile $.02 worth...

PS I receive no compensation from the products/stores mentioned, however if they want to send some its OK with me !

[smitbret]

Burn first, then print. I'll bet if you look closely, you'll see what I like to call a "sunshine effect" on the outside edge of your DVDs, basically where spinning the pre-printed disc has literally flung ink off the edge of the disc to where it looks like little rays coming off the DVD. If the DVD isn't completely dry before you try burning, then this is going to happen and you really don't want any extra ink flying around an optical storage device. Plus, if you get any ink on any part of the disc that is not labelled (silver parts), the ink will take a day or two to completely dry and be usable. I learned this the hard way. Burn first, then print, then wait overnight before playing it back.