building a new computer

[budz]

Wish we had a Microcenter in Phoenix. Newegg has the 9550 for $219.99. Tempting, hopefully it will come down more.

btw AMD cpus can't be too crappy, my Phenom II 940 @ 3.792ghz got the highest fps in the first pass of the x264 benchmark of all results submitted in the x264 benchmark thread including out performing a OC'd Q9550 on the 1st and 2nd passes and my cpu costs $40USD less than the Q9550

Yeah but she was afraid to put a decent overclock on her 9550. She barely had it higher than stock. I would've liked to have seen it at 3.8Ghz or higher. Maybe Budz can post one.

To see a Q9550 overclocked to 4.0gz just go to this link:
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/422093-_-q9550-club-_.html

Gigabyte UD3P owners guide link:
http://www.overclock.net/intel-motherboards/415077-gigabyte-ep45-ud3p-owners-guide.html

I'm da hawaiian_geek at overclock.net

[ocgw]

Wish we had a Microcenter in Phoenix. Newegg has the 9550 for $219.99. Tempting, hopefully it will come down more.

btw AMD cpus can't be too crappy, my Phenom II 940 @ 3.792ghz got the highest fps in the first pass of the x264 benchmark of all results submitted in the x264 benchmark thread including out performing a OC'd Q9550 on the 1st and 2nd passes and my cpu costs $40USD less than the Q9550

Yeah but she was afraid to put a decent overclock on her 9550. She barely had it higher than stock. I would've liked to have seen it at 3.8Ghz or higher. Maybe Budz can post one.

To see a Q9550 overclocked to 4.0gz just go to this link:
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/422093-_-q9550-club-_.html

Gigabyte UD3P owners guide link:
http://www.overclock.net/intel-motherboards/415077-gigabyte-ep45-ud3p-owners-guide.html

I'm da hawaiian_geek at overclock.net

Phenom II's are getting 4.6-5.0Ghz on phase change too, what was your point?

She said she was afraid to go higher because she was afraid to get it too hot, I could have went higher too, but it is summer here and I am worried about temps too, my "average" Phenom will run 3.9-4Ghz on air

Here is a Phenom II @ 6.5Ghz 3D 05' score 45,474 Jan 10, 2009 (current world record holder)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB0JodKgZ0A

Intel fanbois make me laugh lol

Again googerguy, keep your mind open, looking for bargains on both sides of the street gives you twice the chance to build that dream system on a shoe string

ocgw

peace

[gooberguy]

ok let me have it... i have decided on the following....

q9550: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041

gigabyte ud3p: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358

heatsink budz suggested: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029

1066 ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166

the memory being 1066, better than buying it at 800 correct?

ill update soon with a HD and case

[TBoneit]

Most important is a good power supply, then case.

cheap case with power supply = cheap power supply

Don't go bonkers on watts in the power supply. Just because someone sells them with 1000 watts doesn't mean you need one.

The biggest power consumer in gaming PCs is the fancy gaming video card.

Their are onlie power supply wattage calulators available. Use them and then add a certain amount for saftey margin and future expansion.

some cases like a Raidmax Smilodon model http://www.newegg.com/Product/Very easy to assemble and maintain. LianLi makes some nice cases too. http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product.php

I've been using one from the Pentium III / AMD 700Mhz days.

Hard drive, if you feel a need for speed the 10,000 rpm Western Digital SATA drives.

Good Luck

[ocgw]

ok let me have it... i have decided on the following....

q9550: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041

gigabyte ud3p: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358

heatsink budz suggested: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029

1066 ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166

the memory being 1066, better than buying it at 800 correct?

ill update soon with a HD and case

Looks like a winning combination gooberguy, & yes for $5-10USD more you should get the DDR2 1066

When it comes to psus I strongly suggest going w/ a single powerfull 12v rail psu from PC Power & Cooling, Corsair, Silverstone, or CoolerMaster

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703005

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171035

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256012

As for HDD's, the new large capacity-high density HDD's now have such a high "sustained average transfer rate" it doesn't make sense to buy small drives for a little extra speed

I have a pair of 1st gen 10,000rpm WD Raptors, and a pair of 15,000rpm Fujitsu SAS in a cabinet, they have been "retired"

My (4) Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1500GB 32mb cache HDD's boast 108mb/s sustained average read speed, 140mb's @ the outside edge of the drive (1 of the reasons my HTPC outperformed all the Dual Quad Xeon workstations in the first pass of the x264 encoding test W/O RAID "superior i/o capability")

https://forum.videohelp.com/topic347859.html

ocgw

peace

[DarrellS]

Phenom II's are getting 4.6-5.0Ghz on phase change too, what was your point?

My point is that you're bragging about having the highest encode speeds but you're the only one who has overclocked their CPU to 3.8Ghz. If anyone else had the same clock speed as you, they'd have as high of encode speeds or higher.

You mention fanboys but you're the only fanboy I see in here. 89% of your posts have to do with how great the AMD Phenom II chip is and hardly anything on video.

The average user isn't going to be using liquid nitrogen to cool their CPUs.

[gooberguy]

this is the power supply i currently have,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182009

any validity now?

[budz]

I'd recommend getting the CORSAIR 520HW power supply with modular cables. FREE SHIPPING!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001
I have this ps that powers 3 sata hard drives, 4 dvd burners, ati 600se video card and 6 120mm fans.

Cooler Master 590 case,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119152
I have the CM 590 which is a excellent case that provides good airflow and cable management. The cables can be hidden behind the mobo. 7 fans can be used with that case. I have 6 fans in there. I added a additional front intake fan by using zip ties within the 5.25 bay.

CM 590 Club
http://www.overclock.net/computer-cases/439177-cooler-master-590-club.html

CM 690
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137
I have this case as well but I'm a bit tired of it cause it's bulky and I change out hardware frequently. It's the big brother of the CM 590 case. It provides excellent airflow and cable management. I have 6 fans in this case.

CM 690 Club
http://www.overclock.net/computer-cases/294838-official-cooler-master-690-club.html

Antec 300 case, FREE SHIPPING
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042
I did a build with this case for a relative that has many dogs running around in their home. It has fan filters so it can prevent animal hair from going into the case. It's a decent case but cable management is limited unless you mod the case. Some drill a hole in the case for the power supply cables and other cables to run behind the mobo. There's a compartment that you can store the cables but it's not as clean.

Cooler Master Elite 310, economical case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119203

Just my 2 cents!

[ocgw]

Phenom II's are getting 4.6-5.0Ghz on phase change too, what was your point?

My point is that you're bragging about having the highest encode speeds but you're the only one who has overclocked their CPU to 3.8Ghz. If anyone else had the same clock speed as you, they'd have as high of encode speeds or higher.

You mention fanboys but you're the only fanboy I see in here. 89% of your posts have to do with how great the AMD Phenom II chip is and hardly anything on video.

The average user isn't going to be using liquid nitrogen to cool their CPUs.

I am not a fanboy, I have no more love for AMD than I do for Intel, what irks me is when you Intel fanboys constantly urge people to buy Intel "because it is better" and say AMD is crap, deliberately misleading newbies that don't know any better, AMD is the "underdog" and has to sell their cpu's @ a price point to match or beat Intel @ every price point to stay in business, & I hope they stay in business into the distant future because they are the only company stopping Intel from having a complete monopoly on the cpu market

If you don't like my "bragging" about my high encode fps because of my "high overclock" (which is only average for this cpu), overclock your "superior" Intel cpu and post better benchmarks

In this forum I posted the highest frame rates w/ a "crap" AMD cpu "on air", you guys went outside the forum to an elite overclocking club (liquid cooled and "phase change") to show the Q9550 as superior cpu to it's AMD price point competitior, I just "cut to the chase" to show the fastest cpu in the world is a AMD cpu, and it is faster than the Intel cpu's on liquid nitrogen bro'

In all my posts I encourage ppl to keep a open mind, & that Intel and AMD are both good platforms in the low and mid level performance bracket, and that Intel is superior in the high performance bracket

good day sir

ocgw

peace

[rallynavvie]

what irks me is when you Intel fanboys constantly urge people to buy Intel "because it is better" and say AMD is crap

To be fair only one person resorted to ad hominem attacks on AMD :P

[ocgw]

what irks me is when you Intel fanboys constantly urge people to buy Intel "because it is better" and say AMD is crap

To be fair only one person resorted to ad hominem attacks on AMD :P

fair enough

to DarrellS: stop by the Blu ray to Blu ray or HTPC forums sometime where I am a "major contributer"

ocgw

peace

[DarrellS]

You've turned this whole thread into a AMD verses Intel thread. I'm not the one telling anyone to buy anything, you are. I didn't go out of this forum to prove crap, you did (although I did read the Q9550 had the record on air at 5.01Ghz). I have never said that Intel is better and AMD is crap. Just because I bought a Q6600 doesn't make me a fanboy. It was the best CPU for the price when I bought it. If you already own an Intel socket 775 motherboard, it doesn't make since to buy AMD or an Intel I7 for that matter. Being on a fixed income, I'm not able to go out and buy a new PC every time I get the whim or I'd own an I7 and a Blu-ray player and burner.

[ocgw]

You've turned this whole thread into a AMD verses Intel thread. I'm not the one telling anyone to buy anything, you are. I didn't go out of this forum to prove crap, you did (although I did read the Q9550 had the record on air at 5.01Ghz). I have never said that Intel is better and AMD is crap. Just because I bought a Q6600 doesn't make me a fanboy. It was the best CPU for the price when I bought it. If you already own an Intel socket 775 motherboard, it doesn't make since to buy AMD or an Intel I7 for that matter. Being on a fixed income, I'm not able to go out and buy a new PC every time I get the whim or I'd own an I7 and a Blu-ray player and burner.

Anyone w/ high school level reading skills can see that as usual budz and lordsmurph turn threads into AMD vs Intel, and when you join in to back them up you are just as guilty as they are

I never tell anyone to buy anything specific, I provide ppl w/ the information they need to make informed choices

I have no more love for AMD than Intel, however I do love the truth, and detest when good ppl are given bad information

If someone here posts "you need a AMD quad", or "Intel is crap" I am going to set them straight too

I think you are piss'd because the facts didn't support your arguement

ocgw

peace

[budz]

You've turned this whole thread into a AMD verses Intel thread. I'm not the one telling anyone to buy anything, you are. I didn't go out of this forum to prove crap, you did (although I did read the Q9550 had the record on air at 5.01Ghz). I have never said that Intel is better and AMD is crap. Just because I bought a Q6600 doesn't make me a fanboy. It was the best CPU for the price when I bought it. If you already own an Intel socket 775 motherboard, it doesn't make since to buy AMD or an Intel I7 for that matter. Being on a fixed income, I'm not able to go out and buy a new PC every time I get the whim or I'd own an I7 and a Blu-ray player and burner.

Go back and read the thread and you will see that as usual budz turns threads into AMD vs Intel (just like lordsmurph does)

I never tell anyone to buy anything specific, I provide ppl w/ the information they need to make informed choices

I have no more love for AMD than Intel, however I do love the truth, and detest when good ppl are given bad information

If someone here posts "you need a AMD quad", or "Intel is crap" I am going to set them straight too

ocgw

peace

WTH! Don't involve me in your little forum trolling. I stated my own personal opinion about Q9550 since I own one. I don't appreciate you fueling the fire with my name. Frankly I don't care what you post about AMD. BTW it was you who turned this thread into a AMD vs INTEL. Geez, get a life! If you don't like what I post then move on. :P

[ocgw]

wow this thread evolved! haha.

well im looking at these two cpus right now, along with everything else on this list

Intel

and

Amd

they were the two top sellers on newegg, under "anything over 3.0ghz" can someone inform me why the amd is considerably cheaper, even though they seem to have the same specs. i've always been a amd buyer, but maybe its time to switch to intel
are those good choices ive made? i would like to vigorously record and edit complex music, as well as hd video.

INTEL is the KING at the moment....Get yourself a low end Q8400 if you're going to to HD video.
Just my 2 cents!

Intel Q8400, $174.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115057

Intel is King?

Be sure to get your omega 3's, they are good for the memory lol

to DarrellS: I never called you a fanboy, YOU put that label on yourself, as my old man used to say, "if it doesn't apply, let it fly"

example: If you are in a crowd and some yells, "Hey *******!", I suggest not responding

ps. I am the anti-fanboy, I love shooting down fanboys arguements because they are "closed minded" and it is so easy

It is best to keep an open mind, when you don't you are the one that loses

ocgw

peace

[redwudz]

Please reply to the OPs original question and not get into a Intel VS AMD debate or this thread is locked. And keep the personal comments out of it.

Fair warning.

Moderator redwudz

[gooberguy]

yeah come on guys...

[ocgw]

yeah come on guys...

You should also consider running Windows 7 on your new rig

ocgw

peace

[rallynavvie]

You should also consider running Windows 7 on your new rig

Now that it is going GR it might be a good time. I usually wait until a Service Pack is out before jumping OS. But if you're upgrading and don't want to "re-purpose" your previous OS key then you might want to get Windows 7.

I saw they didn't post a pre-release discount on the Ultimate version

[lordsmurf]

My quad-core "problem" is "fixed" now. I discovered there is a Japanese-made multi-threaded version of HuffYUV, and my encoding went from 6-8 frames to about 40-50 fps encoding. (Maybe even faster, as the 6-8 was on SD, and the 40-50 was on HD 720p!)

So software exists to take advantage of multi-core, though you sometimes really have to hunt for it.

Vista64 also makes installing codecs like HuffYUV or Lagarith a huge pain in the ass, too! HuffYUV finally cooperated after some tries, but I still can't get Lagarith on (I quit, HuffYUV supposedly faster anyway).

[ocgw]

My quad-core "problem" is "fixed" now. I discovered there is a Japanese-made multi-threaded version of HuffYUV, and my encoding went from 6-8 frames to about 40-50 fps encoding. (Maybe even faster, as the 6-8 was on SD, and the 40-50 was on HD 720p!)

So software exists to take advantage of multi-core, though you sometimes really have to hunt for it.

Vista64 also makes installing codecs like HuffYUV or Lagarith a huge pain in the ass, too! HuffYUV finally cooperated after some tries, but I still can't get Lagarith on (I quit, HuffYUV supposedly faster anyway).

Congrats bro'

ocgw

peace

[rallynavvie]

So software exists to take advantage of multi-core, though you sometimes really have to hunt for it.

Welcome to the hell I've been living for the past 10 years

[gooberguy]

just to get back on track :P here is what should be my finalized purchase. please let me know of your thoughts

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.201728

[budz]

^^^Looks good but I'd suggest getting the WD Black series 640gb sata hd. The Black series carries a longer warranty of 5 years.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319
Just my 2 cents!

[ocgw]

just to get back on track :P here is what should be my finalized purchase. please let me know of your thoughts

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.201728

Smart choice going w/ the single 12v rail psu, and modular to boot (I have a modular psu too)

I like that mobo, it is "loaded", my kind of mobo

ocgw

peace

[gooberguy]

well after a day of hassles i ordered all the parts, any tips on OClocking? i didnt buy a 3rd party cooler, but will in the near future. can any ocing be done with the stock cooler?

edit: btw budz, i did get the HD you recommended

[ocgw]

well after a day of hassles i ordered all the parts, any tips on OClocking? i didnt buy a 3rd party cooler, but will in the near future. can any ocing be done with the stock cooler?

edit: btw budz, i did get the HD you recommended

I think you made some good decisions bro', but you are gonna' have to get the Intel guys to help you w/ the oc, I can oc anything but I am a AMD oc specialist

back in the day I have had several 25-50% oc on air 24/7 w/ AMD cpu's

1.837Ghz Athlon-XP Barton core 2500+ @ 2.7Ghz stable <-bought first month of production
2.2Ghz Athlon-XP Barton core 3000+M @ 2.9Ghz stable 3.1Ghz max <----sweet low voltage mobile cpu
2.2Ghz Athlon x64 San Diego 3700+ core @ 2.8Ghz stable 3.1Ghz max <-another bought very early in the production run (identical to the FX-57 except for clock speed, and I gamed on it @ FX-57 clock speed w/ Raptors in RAID0)

BF2 Lt Gen |SI| SERIALBUTCHER

hence

Over Clocking Grand Wizard

My X2 6000+ was a disappointment tho', never did want to run stable over 3.4Ghz

It is good to buy cpus early in the production run because of the way they are tested "binning", you can get cpu's that could have been sold as higher level cpus

Now is the time to buy a AMD 955 before they build up an inventory of low yield cpus, I can't say where the Intel cherry picks are, but I would bet it is with the i7 920's

ocgw

peace

[stiltman]

well after a day of hassles i ordered all the parts, any tips on OClocking? i didnt buy a 3rd party cooler, but will in the near future. can any ocing be done with the stock cooler?

A ~3ghz Quad core and you want to OC it.... Most apps wont even utilize the fullest of the chip to begin with

Now if you'd got a Q6600, that's a different story (my chip)


If I were you (standard cooling), I would put everything together first.
Test the temps
Then I would order and after market cooler. (Biggest isn't always better, look at the OC forums)
Test the temps
OC the chipset and CPU
Test the temps!

[budz]

well after a day of hassles i ordered all the parts, any tips on OClocking? i didnt buy a 3rd party cooler, but will in the near future. can any ocing be done with the stock cooler?

edit: btw budz, i did get the HD you recommended

My suggestion is to do a mild overclock with that stock intel cpu cooler. If you're looking to overclock that Q9550 to at least 3.6ghz you'll need to get a aftermarket cpu cooler.
Check out the UD3P forum at overclock.net. Some have the "load line calibration" disabled in the mobo bios to prevent frying the cpu. Those dudes at xtremesystems had some fried cpu's.

http://www.overclock.net/intel-motherboards/415077-gigabyte-ep45-ud3p-owners-guide.html

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205132

You could also post at the Gigabyte Forum.

http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/

[ocgw]

well after a day of hassles i ordered all the parts, any tips on OClocking? i didnt buy a 3rd party cooler, but will in the near future. can any ocing be done with the stock cooler?

A ~3ghz Quad core and you want to OC it.... Most apps wont even utilize the fullest of the chip to begin with

Now if you'd got a Q6600, that's a different story (my chip)


If I were you (standard cooling), I would put everything together first.
Test the temps
Then I would order and after market cooler. (Biggest isn't always better, look at the OC forums)
Test the temps
OC the chipset and CPU
Test the temps!

I got a 3Ghz quad and trust me, overclocking knocks hours off of reencoding blu rays w/ BD Rebuilder, but in the summer months like now I work up my best oc, note the settings, and then clock it back down some (I get 3.6Ghz w/ barely over stock voltage), so my pc doesn't act like a space heater, and I can quickly restore the settings for a quick over night run w/ BD Rebuilder

ps. BD Rebuilder "pegs" all four cores @ 100% utilization on the 2nd pass

ocgw

peace