Hello, eveyone.
I have WIN XP installed on two disks, C: and D: and I want to clear up these doubts:
1 - Is it possible have a program installed on C: and run it from D: ?
2 - To protect the PC must I have AVG Free installed on the two disks?
3 - Must I have Internet installed on the two disks or can I installed on C: and work it from D: ?
Thanks for your explanations.
Farewell.
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First and foremost, this is a bad idea which will almost certainly cause you problems.
The questions are largely irrelevant and point to why you will have problems, most especially if you do not understand the parameters and limitations of what you are doing.
Programs can be installed anywhere. HOWEVER, whatever OS you are booting needs to be aware of where the program is installed.
Some very few programs can run without being normally installed, ie., boot from D:, install program, then boot from C: and run same program. This most often will just not work.
You do not install or run "Internet". Internet Explorer is a program which is built-in to Windows, therefore it will be present and available through either OS, whichever one you boot.
I predict less than 6 months before some sort of catastrophic failure occurs. Probably less. What is the reason you are doing this? -
Originally Posted by Jomapil
Originally Posted by Jomapil
Originally Posted by Jomapil
The obvious question, at least to me, is why do this ?Read my blog here.
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Hello, Nelson37.
Thank you for your explanations.
And about AVG? Is it sufficient its installation on one of the OS?
I reached this decision because the games. When I play a game I always searched the respective Saves to do backups from time to time. But there are some games I don't manage to find the saves. At this very moment I'm playing a game that I didn't find their Saves and for that very reason, with 50 % of progress I lost it for three times ( THREE ) and I began another three times from the beginning. So I installled the program on one XP and if happens something bad with the other OS I have ALWAYS the first OS intact.
Cheers.
Thank you, also, Guns1inger. You were very explicit. -
Answered the question about AVG - you have to put it on both OS instances for it to do any good.
games generally keep saves in one of two places.
1. In the folder (or a sub folder thereof) that the game in installed in.
2. Somewhere under My Documents (or Documents and Settings\{user}
I install all my games in a folder called (surprise) games, not under Program Files. I backup the user folder under Documents and Settings, and the save game folders of anything that saves in it's own folder, and I don't lose anything.
What you are planning to do (hopefully this is still only a plan) strikes me as over complicated and fraught with troubleRead my blog here.
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What I don't think you understand is that you will NOT, repeat NOT, ALWAYS have that second OS "available". By having the drive on which it is installed available to the first OS, sooner rather than later that first OS is going to write something to the second drive that will screw up the second OS Beyond All Redemption.
This procedure will do absolutely nothing whatsoever to resolve your game saving problem.
The way to have a "backup OS" is to install it on a drive, and then REMOVE THAT DRIVE from the system.
What you should be doing is investigating and resolving the problem with the saved games.
Guns answered your AVG question, it goes along with the concept that if you want a piece of software running on the chosen, booted OS, that software almost always needs to be installed through that particular OS. Softwares that will run without doing this exist, but are fairly rare. Softwares which require to be run at boot time do not fall into this category.
This is a bad idea, a waste of time, and a procedure which will make your PC LESS stable, rather than more. Back up, shift gears, and try something else. -
Why not "dual boot" and have 2 fully functional independent OS's w/ everything installed, that way you can have a "backup" OS if something goes wrong w/ the first OS until you get it sorted out
I have been "dual booting" for years, it is a feature designed to be used w/ Microsoft OS's, I have never done it w/ (2) of the same OS's, but there is no reason why it should not work
I am presently "dual booting' XP and Win 7
The only thing I share between my OS's is "My Documents", then I will occasionally backup "My Documents" to an OB drive
ocgw
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Sure, lots of folks "dual boot" and have no issues. Some people get shot and live. Not something I would recommend.
I see far more occassions where dual booting has CAUSED a serious problem than those where it has solved one. -
Originally Posted by Nelson37
"dual booting" is a feature that Microsoft designed into the Windows family of OS's, and is nothing to fear imho, as long as they aren't "experimenting" w/ it like the OP suggests
just my opinion
ocgw
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Originally Posted by ocgwBelieving yourself to be secure only takes one cracker to dispel your belief.
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1- No each installation gets initiated by boot loader. In fact your question is not correct. Each OS starts when you pick certain one to start. it could be a drive or folder. Boot loader looks at the path
2- Yes Each OS needs it's own anti-virus. in these days they run from core of the windows. That goes for firewall or any other program because each OS has their own registry. Unless the program does not need registry entry or as it fires up it will create registry entries.
3- Yes browser is a part of OS and it looks at registry to find out your internet information.
in general you need to have one installation of everything for each OS including the drivers and all. -
Thanks a lot for the help you provided.
I remained a little confused but ...
Farewell. -
Originally Posted by JomapilBelieving yourself to be secure only takes one cracker to dispel your belief.
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But my final objective is : When my principal OS is corrupt, before I reinstall XP and format the disk C: where it was installed, I go to the other OS ( D: ) ( reserve, backup or what you want ) and I copy every files I want ( and particulary Documents and Settings and any Saves ).
Perhaps some of our friends have appointed another solution for this but I didn't attain.
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Originally Posted by Jomapil
You could also install programs to the secondary drive, and run them from there but if there is corruption, then your data could also be hosed.
We are just trying to help you here.Believing yourself to be secure only takes one cracker to dispel your belief. -
fyi I think I have a similar setup.
I had a snaffu happen on my emachine pc and ended up wiping my non os drive and installed the oem copy of xp on it. I then left the original os drive in the pc. It still had the original files on it. I just use the "new" drive for installed programs.
However recently I was messing with the bios and needed to go back to the original drive that still had the oem xp install on it (the one that came with the pc in the first place). I was pleasantly suprised that it worked just fine. I haven't had any major hardware changes since. Except I added a pci wifi card after that and needed to use a usb wifi adapter to go online while I was getting my "new" drive back working. And fyi I never lost a file.
I have full access to the second drive. But I don't save anything new to it. I can do a virus I check if I need to becuase it reads as another drive.
Don't know if this is directly relevant to the original post but it should give some more insight.
EDIT - oh and by the way both drives are set to cable select but the "new" drive is set as master on the ide cable and the "old" drive is set to slave.Donatello - The Shredder? Michelangelo - Maybe all that hardware is for making coleslaw? -
I Stated that dual boot CAUSED serious problems because I Meant that dual booting had CAUSED serious problems, not merely that serious problems have ocurred on systems that happened to dual boot. Note the plural.
Corruptions or errors by the boot loader, boot files corrupted by the alternate OS or a program loaded on or by it, files or directories moved or deleted by programs or the user, partition table errors, there's more.
I can recall at least three posts here from different people who suffered total boot failure related to dual booting, all within the last year. This does not count the ones I personally see in the field. All errors that Would Not Have Ocurred except for the dual-boot setup.
A reasonably experienced user should avoid most, but not all, of these issues, BUT we are not dealing with that here.
If you want a backup boot drive, mirror the existing drive on a regular basis, FIRST making sure the drive is in an ideal state, and then REMOVE that backup drive from the system. This will not only Totall Eliminate the possibility of the errors stated above, but also eliminate:
1. most viruses that infect the actual boot drive will corrupt the other one,
2. any power-related events that damage the boot will likely corrupt the backup,
3 age and general wear and tear will be the same on both drives; if one dies, the other is close. -
I concur with what Nelson37 has said and I cannot stress enough the importance of regular backups.
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Originally Posted by Nelson37
I don't just dual boot, I quintuple boot, with a Maintenance Partition for each of my two main OSes, and have had this type of setup in operation since 1995. I drive these boxes pretty hard: if there were any prevalent ways to trip over something, I would have tripped over them for sure by now. And I don't think I'm really lucky, like the person in your overstated "getting shot" analogy. But then, I'm not a neophyte computer user, have a fair grasp of what I'm doing, and take the appropriate precautions. There are more than a few other people that I know personally who also do this. I can agree with you that it might not be such a hot idea for the mass of users out there, however.
It does get to be a lot more work to maintain such a setup, so I would like to transition to other solutions, like a Part PE disc that can access NTFS. But I can't accept the possibility of getting locked out. Those Maintenance Partitions (an old idea, by the way) have saved the day for me a few times.When in Las Vegas, don't miss the Pinball Hall of Fame Museum http://www.pinballmuseum.org/ -- with over 150 tables from 6+ decades of this quintessentially American art form. -
Originally Posted by Seeker47Believing yourself to be secure only takes one cracker to dispel your belief.
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Well this was a good thread for me. I finally am doing a backup. I haven't done one for months.
Also I should probably do a defrag on both my pcs. I haven't done that in god knows how long......Donatello - The Shredder? Michelangelo - Maybe all that hardware is for making coleslaw? -
Originally Posted by Nelson37
I still fail to see how "dual booting" w/ good hardware and proper procedures causes boot failure w/o someone doing something they have no business doing, or them just not knowing what the hell they are doing
It is just computers, not voodoo
Maybe going on the internet causes viruses lol
ocgw
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Three posts, this board, last 6 to 9 months, failure of the boot loader, total boot failure, boot loader not needed unless dual booting. Similar with partition table corruption, overwriting files, user error, yep, my opinion, its the only one I need.
When you can come up with a way to stop people from doing the things that they have no business doing, please let me know. Good hardware and proper procedures will solve almost any PC problem. Good hardware gets old, proper procedures are ignored or need updated.
OK, a better analogy. Can you run your PC with the side cover off and a coffee cup on the top, sure, but would you recommend it for the average user? I wouldn't. It is an unnecessary and easily avoidable risk.
If the defrag comment was directed at me, someone was mis-remembering something. I have quite clearly commented I avoid third-party utilities of this type, this was after someone had used one and had a major problem. I strongly prefer standardized tools and methods wherever possible. Defrag is a significant performance and diagnostic tool.
Surest method to absolutely prevent virus infection is to NOT be connected to the Internet. If the Internet did not exist, we would have a lot less viruses. By providing the mass distribution medium which makes viral advertising cost-effective, the existence of the Internet does indeed cause more viruses to be written. -
Originally Posted by Nelson37
ps. "user error" is not "dual booting" causing problems, it is just user error
ocgw
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Virtual computing makes dual boot a non-issue.
Believing yourself to be secure only takes one cracker to dispel your belief. -
Originally Posted by Dv8ted2
My daddy taught me, "If it is not broken, don't fix it"
ocgw
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Originally Posted by ocgwBelieving yourself to be secure only takes one cracker to dispel your belief.
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Originally Posted by ocgw
Originally Posted by Dv8ted2When in Las Vegas, don't miss the Pinball Hall of Fame Museum http://www.pinballmuseum.org/ -- with over 150 tables from 6+ decades of this quintessentially American art form. -
Originally Posted by Dv8ted2
For someone dual booting w/o probs switchin' to VM would be fixing a non-existant problem
-doesn't exactly meet the criteria for a "non issue"
ps. I wonder if a guy that can't get something as simple as running 2 completely seperate OS's right, is going to have better "luck" running virtual OS's from within another OS??
Sounds like trouble for someone too "green" to get dual booting right
ocgw
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