I am thinking of buying a (low budget) camcorder that takes a external mic input
I want to record video + use a lapel or shotgun mic to shoot video in all sorts of please, both inside and outside
Someone suggested to me: how about recording audio separately
Is that a bad idea?? What could I use to record audio externally?
Or is the whole concept a bad idea?
Would I have any problems synching audio and video?
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Originally Posted by OM2
You can do this now. Just record video and audio separately and try to fix it.
short clips are ok...I recorded on a little microcassette and ended up cutting wav's in an editor to sync...but, like ed said, it's probably just a heck of a lot easier buying a cam with external mic...like the low budget canon hv20 refurb for $400 that shoots HDV
after my extended warranty runs out on my HC5, I may switch to the HV20/30/40 meself...assuming I can come up with new subject matter...which is probably a major reason many just give up...they haven't thought it thru and don't know what to shoot...so they put their purchased equipment back on the market
Dual-system has many merits, but SYNCRONISM is not one of them.
Unless you have the right equipment and are well versed in the correct methods to maintain it, you will (maybe quite easily) LOSE sync in a dual-system.
There are real good reasons that a clapboard, 2-pop, genlock, and timecode are used...and it sounds like this is an afterthought for you, so I would STRONGLY recommend against dual system. External mic, YES, dual-system NO.
Originally Posted by edDV
OM2, what is your total budget? What are you looking for in a camcorder, listed in numberical order. Number one being most desired and working down from there. After that, we may be able to provide some good choices to pick from.
STICK TO ONE THREAD
Yes: apologies for that - it's not nice when someone does what I did and opens up several threads discussion the same issue in one way or another
Promise not to do it again - i think i just got carried away
ALL the advice i've been given by u guys has been amazing - thanks a lot
ok: i'll stick to *just* this thread from now on
what i need to do:
shoot video, where the subject will be presenting something for sale (think qvc)
this will be in different locations - occasionally it will be outside
background sound interference will be a BIG problem!
where the video will be shot: there's a lot of background noise
hence, why i was thinking of using an external mic - i was thinking of using lappelle mic
software i have: virtualdubmod
i have the adobe suite as well
BUT: i DON'T intend to do much editing at all
nearly all the video is meant to be shot, clipped + add a ready made intro and end and thats it
the end video will be compressed into flv format, so i'll be using something like riva for that
budget: £0 or at least as a cheap as possible!
picture quality - not really IMPORTANT because of the end usage
sound is the main issue
i was looking to buy a camcorder on ebay
yes, i know that buying from ebay can be perilous!
but, i'm an experienced buyer (and a powerseller) and won't be too fussed if i end up with a dud
and that's about it: i don't think i've missed anything
let me know what u guys think
extra question: i can buy a wireless mic system from ebay for very cheap!
are these any good?? as opposed to investing a lot of money on a professional mic, would a cheapo wireless mic be ok??
Yes there are wireless solutions but the cost for a good one is far higher than a quality corded mic.
Your requirements tell me you need pro sounding audio to have credibility in web commerce. Home video sounding audio will lack credibility. Even though you don't need high definition, the HV20/HV30 camcorders are the cheapest on the new market that have the audio features you want. Used Panasonic GS-500 models are a rare find and lack the overall picture quality of the Canon. Other possible choices are used SD broadcast cams but those will be more expensive to buy and operate.
So you need to get a camcorder, then choose mic systems. Remember that good mics can be rented in major cities (often in AV and wedding supply stores).
Pro wired lav mics will offer best sound for least money but you do need a cable connection and transformer.
There are many demos of wireless mics on You-Tube. The cheapest that I'd recommend is the Azden WMS-Pro but the other higher priced (e.g. Shure, Sennheiser) will sound much better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYlhDGrw_eA <<< also shows HV20.
Others here are more expensive but make a good background education.
Another option is a hand held wired Boom Mic. -- requires separate operator. This is typical for news crews where "talent" is unwired.
PS: Remember that an HDV format camcorder shooting DV format will be recording uncompressed 16bit LPCM stereo audio. Uncompressed source audio is best for equalization in post.
i looked at all those videos... very helpful
given my needs: would u say that my main goal should be to get good sound + any camcorder (mini dv) with external mic will do?
let me know what u think
Originally Posted by OM2
The camcorder manufacturers know that manual audio level is needed for pro audio sound. They were able to withhold this feature to force serious videographers to spend $1000 more for the prosumer tier. Canon was the first to offer this feature under $1K. The Panasonic GS-500 listed for $1,500.
Is separate audio recording a bad idea?
Well... yes and no. There are some advantages like 1. you can get good quality sound for cheaper 2. you can be a very long way from the camera and still have your sound. However, a good wireless system is hard to beat but they do cost more for GOOD one. I sometimes use separate audio recording but it is for simple short projects - not to many clips to manage.
Here is an example I use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVJ-gHbmDoY
@RustyStainless: Why are you digging up very old threads (with issues resolved) to promote your own YouTube clips with that cheesy Sony micro recorder? This thread is over a year old. ENOUGH WITH THE SELF-PROMOTION.
I record programs and events and never plug any mic into the camcorder; what they're useful for is the ambient sound, including applause and audience reaction. Main audio comes directly off the insert outputs of the mixing board via attenuators then into any of the inputs of an M-audio Delta 1010LT PCI 8-input soundcard. Pristine audio all the way on several tracks, with an adequate Adobe Audition in control.
After I have edited and prepped up the audio, I lay it down first on the 1st audio track in Premiere, then sync all the video to it.
Tedious or not, I have to do it this way anyway. Current AVCHD camcorders record in segments of about 2GB each, which equates to about 15 or 16 minutes of HD video at 17mb/s settings. This is actually a blessing in disguise, because I can independently sync each segment to the correct portion of the prepared audio, so any out-of-sync issues never build up and are completely unnoticeable.
The video from a Sony HDR-SR12, for example, is faster by anywhere from 2 to 5 frames compared with the audio I prepared earlier, and on a track, after syncing 7 to 8 segments of a two hour program, there indeed are a few frames worth of black spaces between segments after they're moved. But, since I always do 4-camera shoots, there are other tracks to switch to ( themselves synced properly with the main audio) so no hassle.
Obviously, for programs 10 minutes or less, there is no reason to tear your hair out over whether or not to use external audio. USE external audio! There is a multitude of portable audio field recorders of all specs, prices and persuasions out there, along with mics galore. Don't fret that your fave camcorder didn't have XLR audio inputs or for that matter, gasp!, had NO external mic inputs AT ALL. But maybe that's another issue...For the nth time, with the possible exception of certain Intel processors, I don't have/ever owned anything whose name starts with "i".