Windows 7 likes and dislikes

[rallynavvie]

I will be receiving a free Windows 7 Ultimate "Signature Edition"

AKA "the most pirated version of Windows 7 to hit the market"

Seriously, that's going to be the default top torrent for pirated copies of 7 when it comes out next month.

[ocgw]

I will be receiving a free Windows 7 Ultimate "Signature Edition"

AKA "the most pirated version of Windows 7 to hit the market"

Seriously, that's going to be the default top torrent for pirated copies of 7 when it comes out next month.

I bet you're right, I was gonna' buy "Home Premium" if I had to buy it myself, not even sure what "Signature Edition" is actually lol

ocgw

peace

[rallynavvie]

I'd be interested to find out. You may not want to actually use that copy and instead keep it in its original packaging. It'll depend on how many of that sort actually ship and what is different about it.

[ChrissyBoy]

Likes....

Stumbled across the "Ambient slide show" last night after I had paused a movie in WMC. I have to say that is the single most impressive thing I have found so far in Windows 7...

[DereX888]

You know, IMHO any OS should be practically invisible. I don't want 8th reiteration of NT code with pretty look, I want ROCK SOLID OS, and that any WIndows is NOT.
I don't care how it looks, and neither should any of you (ocgw) because if you're staring at OS it means you have nothing else to do, or you are setting/fixing/resetting something in the OS - which you shouldn't (if OS was good).
Apart from initial setup any OS shouldn't freaking come in the way.

And OS's look should be fully customizable. WTF is wrong with Microsoft barring their old users from having "feel'n'look" of Win200 or 98 on *their own* computer?! You can set linux to look like Win2000 and change it to look like Vista or WinXP or make it back look like itself (whatever Gnome or KDE) in a heartbeat - but you can't do that on Windows itself? WTF! bwahahaha, isn't that CRAZY!

DON'T BUY Windows!
If you must use it for those apps that run on Win only, just load whatever existing windoze you have in VM on linux, DON'T BUY "new" Windows! It is NOT NEW. Its the same NT code rehashed for the 8th time , sure it is with few improvements and yet another new GUI, but its the same OS! Windows 7 is Windows Vista, you CAN set your Vista to "be Win7"!
How many times you want to be this sucker paying over and over again for the same OS? lol!

[rallynavvie]

if you're staring at OS it means you have nothing else to do, or you are setting/fixing/resetting something in the OS

Unless you're a developer, especially client integration engineers. Same can be said for any OS given that. And then there's the gray area of "widgets" that seem like they're part of the OS itself.

Not sure where your rant is suddenly coming from. To be fair I would accuse Apple of the same thing with OSX iterations since Cheetah came out 7 years ago. What you are arguing for is essentially a purely-CLI environment rather than a GUI OS. While that sort of interface is ideal for some (I do use Quicksilver a lot within OSX) it is not the same for all. Someday we'll probably move to voice-interface with displays only appearing when you really need them or ask for them, I guess in a manner similar to Star Trek but without the need for terminals because of OLED-embedded walls and such.

Keep in mind I count myself as very OS-agnostic, I would defend Apple and Linux just as much as I would Microsoft. I use Windows, OSX, and Ubuntu daily. Each has a favorite use for me and I would feel at a loss if I didn't have multiples. We need them all to continue to compete with each other to drive innovation and not allow one to be a clear winner.

[eusebio]

For those who are wondering what is a Windows Ultimate Signature edition (the launch party present), it is a copy that has been autographed by Steve Ballmer (yes, in this case signature does mean it is physically signed)

DereX888, you sound like you have only used old versions of Windows. Give it a try to the copy operation that you describe. If you are trying to copy 1000 files and one of them cannot be copied because it already exists it will copy 999 and then ask for the last one. By the way, if you like an OS that is solid and doesn't have "eye candy" getting in the way, have you tried Windows Server Core? I do have and use a server core machine that works really nice (although it is certainly not recommended as a desktop machine).

[DereX888]

@ rallynavie, eusebio

No I don't use "only" old Windows versions. I use them all from Windows 2000 to Windows Vista too
I'm just disappointed so with Win7, because it is just rehashed Vista, and as such Microsoft should send it for free to every Vista (legitimate) user out there.
Furthermore, I *don't* like 9x-style GUI, so don't get me wrong, my point was that i.e. some people do and while you can simulate 9x GUI on linux you can't do it on Windows itself, what kind of bullshit is taht?
And there is much more broken promises to Windows since the Longhorn beta I have tried in what, 2004? 2005? that it's just not even funny.
I don't want to repeat "my rants" I've said here already probably 100 times, but I'm sure you can see for yourself that there is nothing new to Vista or 7 compared with XP - apart from reshufled GUI. Yeah, it got Aero and widgets... L-O-L-!!! what a groundbreaking new features (which you can add to XP too).
Oh yeah 7 is more "secure" too (as Windows can be lol) simply because all holes found so far in XP and Vista were patched up, but of course it is so only if you compare it with out-of-the-box installations of XP or Vista, because if you patch'em up to date - which every Windows user does - it is no more "secure" than XP or Vista...

Anyways, as I said many times since Vista release, I think (now I'm sure) Windows era is over.
Unless Microsoft come up with some new OS giving users new - and wanted by users! - features, like 95 and XP were, in no more than 10 years it will disappear from user's desktops.


eusebio - thanks, but no thanks For a server I prefer my tried and tested thru years slack linux (for a desktop too, actually - if only I could really run every WIndows app in VM).
IMHO any Windows as a server is sick idea, and I would never allow any of my Windows machine to act as any tiniest http server Sharing "Shared Documents" on a local network is as far as I allow any windoze to go into server side, no msn widgets sharing files, no WMP sharing, nothing - because that's how Windows usually gets infiltrated.

[ocgw]

You know, IMHO any OS should be practically invisible. I don't want 8th reiteration of NT code with pretty look, I want ROCK SOLID OS, and that any WIndows is NOT.
I don't care how it looks, and neither should any of you (ocgw) because if you're staring at OS it means you have nothing else to do, or you are setting/fixing/resetting something in the OS - which you shouldn't (if OS was good).
Apart from initial setup any OS shouldn't freaking come in the way.

And OS's look should be fully customizable. WTF is wrong with Microsoft barring their old users from having "feel'n'look" of Win200 or 98 on *their own* computer?! You can set linux to look like Win2000 and change it to look like Vista or WinXP or make it back look like itself (whatever Gnome or KDE) in a heartbeat - but you can't do that on Windows itself? WTF! bwahahaha, isn't that CRAZY!

[b] DON'T BUY Windows!
If you must use it for those apps that run on Win only, just load whatever existing windoze you have in VM on linux, DON'T BUY "new" Windows! It is NOT NEW. Its the same NT code rehashed for the 8th time , sure it is with few improvements and yet another new GUI, but its the same OS! Windows 7 is Windows Vista, you CAN set your Vista to "be Win7"!
How many times you want to be this sucker paying over and over again for the same OS? lol!

Dude!, How do you presume to tell me what to care about in my computer?

You look @ PC's as simply a tool, that is all find and dandy for you, but I BUILD and SELL these tools

My HTPC/Home Server is an ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM, it is a showcase for my ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM BUILDING BUSINESS

The pretty OS, Media Center GUI, MyMovies intergration, and advanced user input devices provide ease of use that sell them selves

there really is a big world outside of the little tiny 1 you live in

@ rallynavvie: There is gonna' be approx 25,000 Windows 7 launch parties in North America lol, and they are giving away 64 free laptops to the hosts

ocgw

peace

[rallynavvie]

There is gonna' be approx 25,000 Windows 7 launch parties in North America lol, and they are giving away 64 free laptops to the hosts

And Ballmer signed all of those copies? Interesting.

[ocgw]

There is gonna' be approx 25,000 Windows 7 launch parties in North America lol, and they are giving away 64 free laptops to the hosts

And Ballmer signed all of those copies? Interesting.

digitally signed?

ocgw

peace

[rallynavvie]

For those who are wondering what is a Windows Ultimate Signature edition (the launch party present), it is a copy that has been autographed by Steve Ballmer (yes, in this case signature does mean it is physically signed)

Was referring to that.

[jagabo]

If there are 25000 launch parties either only a small portion of them get a free "signature edition Win 7" or the signature is a reproduction.

I liked the "digitally signed" joke!

[ocgw]

If there are 25000 launch parties either only a small portion of them get a free "signature edition Win 7" or the signature is a reproduction.

I liked the "digitally signed" joke!

lolz

ocgw

peace

[dj4monie]

I don't know, Americans just don't like change so....

Windows 7 is by far the best OS release yet. No errors! I can't say that enough, no errors. Just the minor one - Low Bit Rate during Live TV ONLY, not on recorded video.

Runs faster than Vista period and I never had major issues with Vista save for some crazy BSOD that came up before the change over, not sure what caused it.

W7 just works better, I like Aero, its SMOOTH.

Media Center looks better, works better, and does it faster. Media Library could use some work, but its more about where I have stuff on 4 different drives than the program.

Last update caused MC to crash when accessing Video Library. Restored previous build and no problems again.

I haven't gone all the way yet, so when W7 officially comes out I'll re-install everything (Replay A/V, etc) at that time.

Thumbs Up, 9 out of 10 Stars

[dj4monie]

For those who are wondering what is a Windows Ultimate Signature edition (the launch party present), it is a copy that has been autographed by Steve Ballmer (yes, in this case signature does mean it is physically signed)

Was referring to that.

Yeah even if its the same NT code, that seems to have worked for Porsche who makes evolutionary changes to its 911, not revolutionary.

Win 7 is the best OS MS has done for home/personal use.

98, yeah after you install the USB 2.0 support....

Win 2000, who uses that???? Maybe 5 people, I have a actual IBM 486 with IBM's OS on it, on yeah cutting edge stuff.

[ocgw]

For those who are wondering what is a Windows Ultimate Signature edition (the launch party present), it is a copy that has been autographed by Steve Ballmer (yes, in this case signature does mean it is physically signed)

Was referring to that.

A stamp of his sig perhaps?

1 day peeps are gonna' get exactly what they are asking for, an all new OS, and NONE of their old software is gonna' work on it, kinda' like how they had to scrap the old NTSC TV system, I for 1 will pass

ocgw

peace

[rallynavvie]

I really don't get the "Windows 7 is just the best OS (or M$ OS)" thing. I've had BSODs with Win7 just as much as I've had BSODs with Vista. I haven't had either long enough to compare that to XP or Win2k but it's on the right path to be about as obnoxious as any other Windows release. And just like any other Windows release it won't go on my primary workstation until SP1. It's like buying a new line of cars from a manufacturer on their first model year while they're still working out the bugs and responding to customer feedback.

Also it's still a pre-release product, and while it's very rare to make any sweeping changes from RV to GR it is still possible. Plus we've yet to see any mainstream business use for it.

ocgw-
Just to clarify: you aren't selling HTPCs with Windows 7 on them now, are you?

[ocgw]

I really don't get the "Windows 7 is just the best OS (or M$ OS)" thing. I've had BSODs with Win7 just as much as I've had BSODs with Vista. I haven't had either long enough to compare that to XP or Win2k but it's on the right path to be about as obnoxious as any other Windows release. And just like any other Windows release it won't go on my primary workstation until SP1. It's like buying a new line of cars from a manufacturer on their first model year while they're still working out the bugs and responding to customer feedback.

Also it's still a pre-release product, and while it's very rare to make any sweeping changes from RV to GR it is still possible. Plus we've yet to see any mainstream business use for it.

ocgw-
Just to clarify: you aren't selling HTPCs with Windows 7 on them now, are you?

Naw, but it is in development

btw, I don't get BSOD's even @ high OC w/ Win 7

Someone here once said, "VM makes dual booting absolete", I downloaded XP Mode for Win 7, the VM's virtual hardware is so weak it can't play BF2

I am back to dual booting

ocgw

peace

[RLT69]

Someone here once said, "VM makes dual booting absolete", I downloaded XP Mode for Win 7, the VM's virtual hardware is so weak it can't play BF2

Have your tried VMWare or VirtualBox?

I wouldn't trust Microsoft's XP Mode. It's meant to get people off of XP, make it easier for business to move to Win 7.

Cheers.

[ocgw]

Someone here once said, "VM makes dual booting absolete", I downloaded XP Mode for Win 7, the VM's virtual hardware is so weak it can't play BF2

Have your tried VMWare or VirtualBox?

I wouldn't trust Microsoft's XP Mode. It's meant to get people off of XP, make it easier for business to move to Win 7.

Cheers.

Not yet, & I may play around w/ it, but dual booting is just simple, easy and it just works

XP mode works fine, just isn't up to the task for massive multi-player online first person shooters tho'

ocgw

peace

[rallynavvie]

VMware Workstation support DX9 acceleration but not to the extent that it allows any game to play, it's mostly there for UI enhancements that utilize DX. Most hypervisors don't support hardware beyond CPU, memory, network, and disk space for guests. Some USB devices work well due to the serial passthrough to the guest but your PCI devices and video cards are pretty useless within a VM. I'd get into more details but there's a lot to discuss and I'm not 100% certain on a few things still.

Dual-booting is fine for those people that can afford to take one OS down to bring up another. I rarely ever reboot my workstations because of running services which need to maintain as much uptime as possible so dual-booting just isn't an option for me. Fortunately I don't need to game on a VM, Vista works fine for all the games I do play (while running those tasks/services in the background as well). I did set up a Win2k VM to play Baldur's Gate 2 once when I was feeling nostalgic but otherwise my VMs run other things like firewalls, servers, management consoles, etc.

[Ai Haibara]

Someone here once said, "VM makes dual booting absolete", I downloaded XP Mode for Win 7, the VM's virtual hardware is so weak it can't play BF2

I am back to dual booting

Actually, I heard (I don't have a source, though) that XP Mode is meant more for a corporate environment, rather than home, so that businesses can continue to run some of their old software. If that's true, it could mean the XP Mode environment isn't a 'full strength' XP solution.

[JohnnyMalaria]

It's a fully licensed XP Pro. Since it runs as a VM, though, you won't have access to certain hardware such as FireWire devices. For USB hardware, if there's a Win 7 driver then the virtual XP will be able use it.

Win 7 Ultimate provides a fully licensed XP Pro (downloaded as a separate image), you might as well do a dual boot if you need serious native performance.

In my own experience I have had no issues with running Virtual PC and it's free.

[ocgw]

It's a fully licensed XP Pro. Since it runs as a VM, though, you won't have access to certain hardware such as FireWire devices. For USB hardware, if there's a Win 7 driver then the virtual XP will be able use it.

Win 7 Ultimate provides a fully licensed XP Pro (downloaded as a separate image), you might as well do a dual boot if you need serious native performance.

In my own experience I have had no issues with running Virtual PC and it's free.

The XP mode video hardware is some S3 OB video or something, I tried to download an nvidia driver for my 8800GTX and it said it could not find any supported hardware

If there is a way to customize the virtual hardware in the VM I would like to know

btw the goal is to play BF2 in a 64 man server once again

ocgw

peace

[usually_quiet]

The feature I dislike most about both Vista and Windows 7 is that that new, signed drivers are needed for old devices to keep using them. I have a flatbed scanner that is 6 years old and a serial drawing tablet that is 12 years old. I don't use them often, so both of them are still in good shape, and they work perfectly under XP, but I am having to jump through hoops to use them with Vista. The same or worse will be true with Windows 7.

[rallynavvie]

btw the goal is to play BF2 in a 64 man server once again

Didn't the v1.5 patch give full compatibility with Vista? In addition to adding native widescreen support and opening up all the expansions for free.

[ocgw]

btw the goal is to play BF2 in a 64 man server once again

Didn't the v1.5 patch give full compatibility with Vista? In addition to adding native widescreen support and opening up all the expansions for free.

I dunno', haven't played in 2 or 3 months, too busy

I have a Vista upgrade disc for XP, but what would be the point?

ocgw

peace

[DereX888]

You know, IMHO any OS should be practically invisible. I don't want 8th reiteration of NT code with pretty look, I want ROCK SOLID OS, and that any WIndows is NOT.
I don't care how it looks, and neither should any of you (ocgw) because if you're staring at OS it means you have nothing else to do, or you are setting/fixing/resetting something in the OS - which you shouldn't (if OS was good).
Apart from initial setup any OS shouldn't freaking come in the way.

And OS's look should be fully customizable. WTF is wrong with Microsoft barring their old users from having "feel'n'look" of Win200 or 98 on *their own* computer?! You can set linux to look like Win2000 and change it to look like Vista or WinXP or make it back look like itself (whatever Gnome or KDE) in a heartbeat - but you can't do that on Windows itself? WTF! bwahahaha, isn't that CRAZY!

[b] DON'T BUY Windows!
If you must use it for those apps that run on Win only, just load whatever existing windoze you have in VM on linux, DON'T BUY "new" Windows! It is NOT NEW. Its the same NT code rehashed for the 8th time , sure it is with few improvements and yet another new GUI, but its the same OS! Windows 7 is Windows Vista, you CAN set your Vista to "be Win7"!
How many times you want to be this sucker paying over and over again for the same OS? lol!

Dude!, How do you presume to tell me what to care about in my computer?

You look @ PC's as simply a tool, that is all find and dandy for you, but I BUILD and SELL these tools

My HTPC/Home Server is an ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM, it is a showcase for my ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM BUILDING BUSINESS

The pretty OS, Media Center GUI, MyMovies intergration, and advanced user input devices provide ease of use that sell them selves

there really is a big world outside of the little tiny 1 you live in

@ rallynavvie: There is gonna' be approx 25,000 Windows 7 launch parties in North America lol, and they are giving away 64 free laptops to the hosts

ocgw

peace

Wrong. I have even made my own "GUI" for my first "W2K Media Center" (which I build myself too - probably when you didn't use your PC for anything else but games ). Have you ever try to do something of your own? LOL. You "build" - which means you do it no better than I or 1000s of other people do - just buying components of your choice and putting them together in a case.
You sell them - good for you. I guess I could say it too, since I have built "per order" quite many "media centers" and other boxes...
But don't try to sound like you're someone better than me because you "build" and "sell" stupid computers, ROTFL! I do it to, and so are countless of other people here
Big deal to set up XP or Vista MC on a computer, wow Yeah, maybe average Joe may have a problem with it (doubtful, since MC is with every Vista Home +) but anyways not like it is anything difficult LOL! When I tried to make my own "GUI" for W2K MC and had to learn how to program for X1 remote control's receiver that was HARD. (yet at least I tried to do it when no "media centers" existed at all, and you telling me you "build" them just because you run Microsoft's MC default setup code... LOL! And that make you someone special, better or different than rest of us? Really amusing! LOL!)

peace, dude

[ocgw]

You know, IMHO any OS should be practically invisible. I don't want 8th reiteration of NT code with pretty look, I want ROCK SOLID OS, and that any WIndows is NOT.
I don't care how it looks, and neither should any of you (ocgw) because if you're staring at OS it means you have nothing else to do, or you are setting/fixing/resetting something in the OS - which you shouldn't (if OS was good).
Apart from initial setup any OS shouldn't freaking come in the way.

And OS's look should be fully customizable. WTF is wrong with Microsoft barring their old users from having "feel'n'look" of Win200 or 98 on *their own* computer?! You can set linux to look like Win2000 and change it to look like Vista or WinXP or make it back look like itself (whatever Gnome or KDE) in a heartbeat - but you can't do that on Windows itself? WTF! bwahahaha, isn't that CRAZY!

[b] DON'T BUY Windows!
If you must use it for those apps that run on Win only, just load whatever existing windoze you have in VM on linux, DON'T BUY "new" Windows! It is NOT NEW. Its the same NT code rehashed for the 8th time , sure it is with few improvements and yet another new GUI, but its the same OS! Windows 7 is Windows Vista, you CAN set your Vista to "be Win7"!
How many times you want to be this sucker paying over and over again for the same OS? lol!

Dude!, How do you presume to tell me what to care about in my computer?

You look @ PC's as simply a tool, that is all find and dandy for you, but I BUILD and SELL these tools

My HTPC/Home Server is an ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM, it is a showcase for my ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM BUILDING BUSINESS

The pretty OS, Media Center GUI, MyMovies intergration, and advanced user input devices provide ease of use that sell them selves

there really is a big world outside of the little tiny 1 you live in

@ rallynavvie: There is gonna' be approx 25,000 Windows 7 launch parties in North America lol, and they are giving away 64 free laptops to the hosts

ocgw

peace

Wrong. I have even made my own "GUI" for my first "W2K Media Center" (which I build myself too - probably when you didn't use your PC for anything else but games ). Have you ever try to do something of your own? LOL. You "build" - which means you do it no better than I or 1000s of other people do - just buying components of your choice and putting them together in a case.
You sell them - good for you. I guess I could say it too, since I have built "per order" quite many "media centers" and other boxes...
But don't try to sound like you're someone better than me because you "build" and "sell" stupid computers, ROTFL! I do it to, and so are countless of other people here
Big deal to set up XP or Vista MC on a computer, wow Yeah, maybe average Joe may have a problem with it (doubtful, since MC is with every Vista Home +) but anyways not like it is anything difficult LOL! When I tried to make my own "GUI" for W2K MC and had to learn how to program for X1 remote control's receiver that was HARD. (yet at least I tried to do it when no "media centers" existed at all, and you telling me you "build" them just because you run Microsoft's MC default setup code... LOL! And that make you someone special, better or different than rest of us? Really amusing! LOL!)

peace, dude

Was there supposed to be a "point" to your mindless rant??

lolz

ocgw

peace