Windows 7 likes and dislikes

[dessieclive]

7 is faster than XP and will play single vob files with its own media player but wont play dts
Rising Personal Firewall a great tool wont work on 7 7 seems to me to a service pack to vista

[ocgw]

7 is faster than XP and will play single vob files with its own media player but wont play dts
Rising Personal Firewall a great tool wont work on 7 7 seems to me to a service pack to vista

Use AC3 Filter 1.61b to get DD and DTS SPDIF passthru from MC7

ocgw

peace

[Tbag]

When installing Win 7 over Vista are drivers needed for things to work properly? eg. Vista to XP downgrade needed XP drivers

Will my blu-ray drive still work?

What limits did the evaluation copy have?

[ocgw]

I discovered that my Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1600 remote control has full function w/ MC7/MyMovies/Windows Media Player 12/PowerDVD8 w/o any setup on my part @ all

just ordered a Logitech G11 too hehe

ocgw

peace

[nonoitall]

Everything below is my opinion, and if you don't agree with it, more power to you.

Likes:

• Seems a little more memory-conscious than Vista (though that isn't saying a lot)
• UAC is a little less intrusive than in Vista

Dislikes:

• Aero is still hopelessly sluggish on my laptop's integrated graphics (Compiz runs beautifully)
• Pointless changes that other people have mentioned (moving buttons, etc.)
• Aside from the aforementioned points, I really can't identify any difference between Windows 7 and Vista
• The new Windows XP mode doesn't support the legacy programs I wanted to use

All in all, I don't see any point to Windows 7 (aside from being more cash for Microsoft). Windows Vista broke compatibility with several programs that I use, and Windows 7 hasn't improved matters, even with it's new Windows XP mode. For now I'll stick with XP, and if it loses support before MS comes up with something decent, I'll probably migrate over to Ubuntu or Arch Linux. If I'm going to be stuck using an emulator w/XP for some of my programs, I may as well do it on a free, snappy OS.

[MJA]

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[DarrellS]

You were always able to dumb down the interface to Win2k standards on Windows 7. In fact the first time I used it was on a VM at work that was set up with that interface.

Maybe you could let the rest of us in on how to accomplish this.

I might be willing to buy Windows 7 if I could get it to use the Classic interface but if I was stuck with the way it ships now, I would never buy this operating system.

I've used the Classic menu for the last 10 years. I'm not ready to completely relearn Windows because Microsoft thinks I'm better off with something new and different. They seem to only care about the new user and nothing about the users that have made them stinking rich the last 14 years.

[ocgw]

You were always able to dumb down the interface to Win2k standards on Windows 7. In fact the first time I used it was on a VM at work that was set up with that interface.

Maybe you could let the rest of us in on how to accomplish this.

I might be willing to buy Windows 7 if I could get it to use the Classic interface but if I was stuck with the way it ships now, I would never buy this operating system.

I've used the Classic menu for the last 10 years. I'm not ready to completely relearn Windows because Microsoft thinks I'm better off with something new and different. They seem to only care about the new user and nothing about the users that have made them stinking rich the last 14 years.

Until recently I was a XP classic interface guy, never used Vista, and tried this Win 7 in a dual boot w/ XP, it does take a little getting used to but the learning curve is not really that steep, there is nothing you can't get to in 2 or 3 mouse clicks, after a month of playing around w/ Win 7 I can't stand the sight of XP anymore

ocgw

peace

[rallynavvie]

You were always able to dumb down the interface to Win2k standards on Windows 7. In fact the first time I used it was on a VM at work that was set up with that interface.

Maybe you could let the rest of us in on how to accomplish this.

I might be willing to buy Windows 7 if I could get it to use the Classic interface but if I was stuck with the way it ships now, I would never buy this operating system.

I've used the Classic menu for the last 10 years. I'm not ready to completely relearn Windows because Microsoft thinks I'm better off with something new and different. They seem to only care about the new user and nothing about the users that have made them stinking rich the last 14 years.

I don't have a VM of Win7 running on this laptop so I'll have to check when I get back from vacation.

[DarrellS]

I don't have a VM of Win7 running on this laptop so I'll have to check when I get back from vacation.

Thanks!

[DarrellS]

I can't stand the look of XP either. That's why I run it in Classic mode so it will look like Windows 2000/Windows 98.

If I have to relearn an OS then I might as well learn Linux since it's free but I'd rather just keep using XP. I ran 98SE and W2K up until a year ago when I built my new PC and since I've learned how to make XP run like W2K, I'm very happy with it. If I have to, I'll run my existing operating systems another 10 years. If it ain't broke, why fix it? I'm not into fashion where I need to change styles everytime a new one comes out. I've been wearing blue jeans and t-shirts my whole life.

[ocgw]

I can't stand the look of XP either. That's why I run it in Classic mode so it will look like Windows 2000/Windows 98.

If I have to relearn an OS then I might as well learn Linux since it's free but I'd rather just keep using XP. I ran 98SE and W2K up until a year ago when I built my new PC and since I've learned how to make XP run like W2K, I'm very happy with it. If I have to, I'll run my existing operating systems another 10 years. If it ain't broke, why fix it? I'm not into fashion where I need to change styles everytime a new one comes out. I've been wearing blue jeans and t-shirts my whole life.

hehe I mean I can't stand the look of XP Classic anymore, I have embraced the clean lines, eye candy, and the Vista/Win7 style of organization

I even switched my XP machines to the Vista style until I can upgrade them

Hell, I needed to get with the times anyway HTPC is my "thing" and multi-media is much better supported under Vista/Win7

ocgw

peace

[zoobie]

people actually care how their OS looks? yikes...

[ocgw]

people actually care how their OS looks? yikes...

My HTPC/Multi-Media server running Win7/MC7/MyMovies/PDVD8 looks like a $10K+ "store bought" jukebox, I actually have to explain to my guests that this is a windows based PC that I built, not something I went in to a hi-end audiophile salon and bought



As a sideline I design and build custom Windows based HTPCs and home theater systems, my own system is my "showroom"





https://forum.videohelp.com/topic368691.html

Surely I am not the only guy in a video forum that cares what his rig looks like and enjoys a professional looking GUI

ocgw

peace

[zoobie]

ROTFLMAO...
your "guests" don't happen to have thick "coke bottle" glasses and really really like Star Wars, do they?

[ocgw]

ROTFLMAO...
your "guests" don't happen to have thick "coke bottle" glasses and really really like Star Wars, do they?

????

Just WOW, you have 12 "hand coded websites", and I'm the "40 year old virgin" 'cause I use Win 7/MC7/MyMovies/PDVD8? lol

btw I dress up as Lt. Cmdr Warf @ the Star Trek conventions

ocgw

peace

[ocgw]

Update: there is a new Hauppauge WinTV 7 version for Windows 7 "Win TV CD 1.1E"

and Creative labs just issued a SB Audigy/Audigy 2 Win 7 driver

ocgw

peace

[JimBarbasol]

There's something I don't like about Windows 7: slow boot-up time. After I get the "Windows is Starting" screen, my monitor goes black for exactly one minute, and then proceeds to boot to the desktop. Is this a common problem, or is my PC too slow to run 7? I have a Compaq SR5518F with 2 GB of RAM and a Pentium dual-core 2.00 GHz processor.

Go in the BIOS and change your boot sequence to HDD first if you haven't already

ocgw

peace

How do I enter the BIOS?

[Ai Haibara]

It depends on the computer/BIOS manufacturer, but tapping Escape or Delete after the system starts (right after you turn the power on, and the simple 'Compaq' logo is on the screen, for example), may do it.

Be aware that messing around in BIOS is not for those who aren't sure what they're doing. (Not saying you're not.)

[minidv2dvd]

How do I enter the BIOS?

in addition to del or esc, some motherboards use f2 during boot to enter the bios.

[edDV]

Compaq tradiionally uses F10.

Watch the boot screen for yours. Usually called "setup".

[DereX888]

TTT

Last 1 or 2 days left to obtain free Windows 7, folks!

[ocgw]

I have Windows 7 on both my rigs (AMD "Deneb" core X4 940 and a "Windsor" 6000+), I just installed Win 7 on my daughters PC, I upgraded her "Cedar Mills 641 P4 3.2Ghz to an old AMD "Manchester" X2 3800+ (939 pin) I had w/ 4x512mb of DDR500

MC7 works great for her w/ MyMovies and PowerDVD 8, she plays all my music in Media Player or Media Center, and can watch any of my blu ray's or DVD's from my HTPC/Media Server thru my Linksys 10/100 router,

The Internet TV 1.1 and beta 2 work fine, just msnbc.com won't work smoothly as of yet

Some say Windows 7 is a resource hog, not really imho

I am actually about to load Win 7 on a Athlon XP 3000+M (cherry picked low voltage mobile cpu which is better than a 3200+ desktop cpu) w/ 3GB of ram, for a coworker, not looking for blu ray level perfomance, just CD, DVD and 1080i HDTV

ocgw

peace

[wtsinnc]

Regarding the comparative speed of XP/vs/Vista/vs/Windows 7, there's this;

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=22006

-and this-

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3236

-and this-

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/windows_7_review?page=0%2C0

As I have previously stated in several threads here and in other forums, while I believe that Windows 7 does represent a real improvement over Vista, I plan to stay with XP as long as possible.
It offers everything I need.


BTW: ocgw; very nice rig !

[ocgw]

Regarding the comparative speed of XP/vs/Vista/vs/Windows 7, there's this;

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=22006

-and this-

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3236

-and this-

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/windows_7_review?page=0%2C0

As I have previously stated in several threads here and in other forums, while I believe that Windows 7 does represent a real improvement over Vista, I plan to stay with XP as long as possible.
It offers everything I need.


BTW: ocgw; very nice rig !

Thx wtsinnc

I could be very happy w/ XP if I could add Media Center to it lol

ocgw

peace

[DereX888]

Playing with Win7 occasionally, I came to conclusion that it is no different than Vista actually.
If you are Vista user and give yourself time and read up around and set up everything, all little nifty registry settings etc in Vista - you'll end up with basically Windows 7.

But both are terrible resource hogs.
I have never seen a DESKTOP operating system (!!!) gobbling up so many resources as Vista and Win 7 do.

Everyone say Win 7 is faster than Vista, and I admit that's what I thought too.
But I think no one above have test it by running similarily equipped PCs with Vista and Win 7 side-by-side,and they just rely on human memory - which is easily influenced by what we were told (and that's what Msoft and it's blogosphere parrots say, so that's why we think 7 is faster than Vista IMHO).
Last week I asked our IT guy to give me 3 exactly same laptops (because I didn't want so many monitors on my desk), I loaded them with Vista, Win 7 and Ubuntu, and honestly the only difference in overall speed and usability was between Ubuntu linux and Windowses, while there was absolutely no visually detectable difference in apps or OS speed between Vista and Win 7 at all.
Sure the differences are there *if* you compare out-of-the-box "defaults" (Vista's default setup vs Win 7 default setup).
You can immediately tell how horrible is Vista (it really is unusable nightmare, I can't believe they dared to sell it like this to customers
But once Vista is setup correctly, with SP2 first etc etc, there is actually no difference.
So, what's new...?

There must be something really bad going on within Microsoft lately (and not just in past year or 2, but probably since the time when they abandoned Longhorn and created this clumpy crap Vista).
With that many programmers (20,000 or so?) and that many billions of R&D dollars at their disposal, one would think they should be able to create completely new OSes every year, all new from scratch, don't you think?
Something is obviously very wrong with their management.
I don't what, but certainly its not good.
Maybe it's time to dump their stock while it's still high


I've played with latest OSX upgrade.
You can clearly see that Apple's OS is better in many aspects (including speed), and let's not forget it is just upgrade, not a new OS.
Ballmer would get an orgasmic spasm if Win7 compared to Vista would be half better what the Snow Leopard is to previous Leopard.

For sure I would not buy Windows 7 ("would" instead of "will" because I will get it for free anyways).
WTF is wrong with Msoft, really...?


/scuse my slightly OT rant guys/

[rallynavvie]

I have a M$ virtualization seminar this week where they are going to talk about VECD and Windows 7's effect on desktop virtualization. It isn't 7ECD, it's VECD afterall

[DereX888]

Exactly, rallynavie.

One more rant on Windows.
The ages old Windows bug: try to move large folder with many files. IT'S THE SAME BULLSHIT AS IN ALL WINDOWS AS FAR AS I CAN REMEBER, dating back to I don't know, Windows 1.0 or DOS 1.0 maybe.
1. It is "preparing" to move for few seconds (what the **** does it mean, what it prepares?!)
2. When it is moving files it will STOP and STUCK on asking you when it encounters a read-only file. Why it didn't see it when it was "preparing" and asked user before it started operation? Imagine leaving the computer to move terabyte of files just to find out when you come back that all it did is moving few megs or files and then stuck on this stupid question because one of the files is read only attribute.
What a ******* idiocy!!!

I don't believe no "professional" or "insider" or even an ordinary user have never askthem to fix this stupidity.
Quite opposite, I bet many people did complained about it in past many years and Msoft must have gotten tons of complaints about it in the years, because I remember it is very same behaviour in every Windows, doesn't matter is it XP, 2000, 2003, ME, 98, or 95 and I'm sure it was the same in Win 3.1 and who knows maybe in first DOS too.
So why they haven't fix it?
I can write myself simple batch script to check for files attributes BEFORE moving folder, geee, and 20,000 programmers can't do it in Explorer in 15 years? I'm just speechless.

[rallynavvie]

I have a M$ virtualization seminar this week where they are going to talk about VECD and Windows 7's effect on desktop virtualization. It isn't 7ECD, it's VECD afterall

So the "V" in VECD now stands for Virtual instead of Vista. Along with a ton of other items MS changed their minds on, both in licensing and in naming. At least they let us shop in the MS employee store where there were some ridiculous deals to be had on OS and software, but no pre-order of 7

[ocgw]

I applied to and was selected to host a Windows 7 Launch Party Oct. 22

I will be receiving a free Windows 7 Ultimate "Signature Edition" and some other software for hosting the party

I told them I was already promoting Win 7/MC7 w/ my HTPC/ Multi-Media Home Server business and showed them the pics lol

ocgw

peace