Verbatim 16X DVD+R still good?

[usually_quiet]

Yes, they buy them bulk abroad (India, Taiwan, China) and pack them in cakes or spindles domestically in USA.
So you get the shrink wrap and the spindle itself Made in USA, whilst blanks are still from abroad - and no country of origin on the label (but "Imported by ThisCorporation.com" instead).

Next time I go buy blanks I'll take few pictures of the labels without country of origin :)

Tp be certain I searched the U.S. Customs Service and found this publication: http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/newsroom/publications/trade/co_origin.ctt/markingo.doc

It says specifically that with few exceptions, items must be labeled so the ultimate purchaser in the United States is aware of the country in which an imported article was made. I suppose if you wanted to, you could turn them in to the Customs Service, but I'm not sure that would truly benefit their customers. What are the chances that someone buying bulk Verbatim DVDs from them would not know by now that they could be getting discs from India not Taiwan?

[DereX888]

As always with corporations, I sense swindle intent

I may be wrong, but I think if country of origin is not stated on the label most of people would think it was domestically made.
If they would have put large MADE IN INDIA on a spindle of blanks I bet it would sell much worse than same blanks without it.
Hiding it behind a non-descript like "Imported by ..." is a psychological attempt to fool at least some customers.

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OT
I was chatting on irc with a buddy from Spain and made him angry OT, but related to previous posts.
He bought 4GB DDR3 chips today - described as Made in EU.
To me it is fake.
First, "Made in EU" means made nowhere, as there is no such country.
And second, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm almost sure there are no RAM factories in any european countries.
They're all in Asia (China, Taiwan and Singapore or Malaysia or India - and one of them burnt not long ago IIRC).

[dutchdummy]

Many people are highly prejudiced against Verbatim's Made in India media. You'll just have to make up your own mind here. I can only state the following.

Never used Verbatim MII single layer discs. I have used their MII dual layer discs. I had one bad burn in the pack. Others swear that the MII DL media is 100% crap, etc. That has not been my experience.

The first time I bought a spindle of MII Verbatim DL, I'd already gone through many MIS discs with no problem. That MII spindle gave me a 30% coaster rate. I went back to MIS and everything's been fine since.

Maybe there was a quality control issue in the beginning and that the MII discs are now fine, but I'm in no hurry to try it again.

[lordsmurf]

Yes, they buy them bulk abroad (India, Taiwan, China) and pack them in cakes or spindles domestically in USA.
So you get the shrink wrap and the spindle itself Made in USA, whilst blanks are still from abroad - and no country of origin on the label (but "Imported by ThisCorporation.com" instead).

Next time I go buy blanks I'll take few pictures of the labels without country of origin

I'm sorry, no, the packaging does not count, only the product manufactured.

Feel free to photo your label.

It might be possible you're buying from an illegal or "gray market" importer, selling media in USA destined for other locales.

[samijubal]

I got my discs from Newegg today, they are MIT.

[usually_quiet]

If I have no choice, I rather get unknown brand discs clearly labeled as made in Taiwan rather than Verbatims that bear no country of origin on the label (yes, last time I bought Verbatims they were identified with CMC ID, which means they were manufactured in India, it was the last straw to me and I quit using Verbatims since).

Which DVD disc type did you buy that had a CMC media code? I heard that CMC (among others) made discs for a Verbatim product line called "Pearl White" sold in Europe, but I don't recall seeing them for sale in the US. I'm starting to wonder if LS is right and there is more than a country of origin labeling issue with these discs.

I have purchased only retail cake boxes of Verbatim DVD-R 16X for the past 3 years. The media code has always been MCC 03RG20. It's the same for both the MIT media from 3 years ago and MII media from 4 months ago.

[Number Six]

I have been using MII 16X DVD+R 50 Pack Spindle (copyright 2004), and the code is MCC004 - never a bad burn. I bought these at BESTBUY. I also have a 100 Pack Spindle (copyright 2007) that I bought at BUY.com that are MIT - I have not opened these yet because I have a lot of the other discs left, so I never checked the code.

[orsetto]

CMC is pretty much the sole remaining OEM mfr for single-layer Verbatim worldwide. Presumably most of the discs intended for sale under the Verbatim brand have the marginally better MCC supervision and use the MCC codes, but it wouldn't surprise me if Verbatim and CMC have a more "relaxed" arrangement for certain countries where Verbatim really doesn't care if CMC just packs the spindles with the ordinary CMC discs made for TDK and everyone else. Parallel imports could explain getting a spindle of these. Either that, or we're nearing endgame for the last remaining shred of MCC stake in Verbatim: perhaps to shave costs and increase margin they're giving up all pretense of having a separate "non-CMC" production line. If the CMC code starts cropping up in spindles clearly sold thru official USA distributors, we'll know for sure one way or the other. With Verbatims now being blown out during weekend superstore sales at prices lower than the gruesome TDK junk, I don't see how they can afford the expense of the MCC "quality" staff and procedures for much longer. $13.99 for a 50-pak spindle is bottom feeder territory.

[lordsmurf]

A lot of this speculation is stupid.

Some idiot will read it, spout it as fact on another site, and another dumbass media myth will henceforth be born. I've seen this over and over and over (and over and over and over!) again for years now. Enough.

[Number Six]

lordsmurf - Wasn't this same argument going on years ago about buying only MADE IN JAPAN, and MADE IN TAIWAN was junk. When I started with recordable DVD media in 2004, the best was supposedly RICOHJPN media.

[orsetto]

What myth? The Verbatim PR dept is all over the place answering these questions directly. They have specifically stated post-2006 SL media was made by ProDisc and CMC until ProDisc folded, now its all CMC. They have specifically admitted some batches of discs, + and -, are not as compatible as their old media. Are they addressing it with CMC? Yes, they try to. Are they being deceptive? Not at all: media is much more cut-throat than it used to be, Verbatim is trying to stay ahead of the curve of generic media but its difficult to do at current ridiculously lowball prices. You want media to sell at $10.99 with a coupon? Then don't expect the same exact Verbatims you got for $30 in 2005. Thats all there is to it.

The country of origin thing is important in one way, and meaningless in another. For certain periods of time, as production moves to different regions, you might see a slip compared to older factories but eventually they all balance out or vary. You can't predict. The "myth" is that nothing ever changes, thats the real bullshit being thrown around here. LS is "sick of hearing about it"? Well, we're "sick of dealing with it". Those of us who've been bitten in the ass by retail Verbs are not inept dimwits using six year old hardware: I've got new recorders and old, I use ImgBurn on the PC with current burners. Media quality now goes from spindle to spindle, theres no guarantee of anything. Buy it in a bricks and mortar superstore, its a gamble, I don't care what the hell brand it is. The closest you can get to a guarantee is buying 8x "pro-grade" or "DataLife" Verbatims from online media specialists, or the Taiyo Yuden 8x Japanese stuff. (Yeah, I know LS: supposedly "some people" can't burn or play TY, but I believe that like you believe I can't burn store-bought Verbs if my life depended on it.)

Its a grey area no matter what the brand, and varies from USA to Europe to Asia. Anyone who insists that its black and white or cut and dried must be very lucky. Even the sainted TY media has been knocked off or bait and switched by unscrupulous dealers, and the TY 16x is about as randomly bad as anyone elses's 16x. DVD media is following the same path as CD media: and you have a better shot at winning the lottery than finding good CD media.

[wtsinnc]

My last 300 blanks have all been MIT DVD+Rs and I couldn't be happier !
To-date with about 30 remaining, one failure. I'm burning mainly with an LG GSA-H42N but I also have recently used a Samsung SH-S202G and an LG GSA-H10N.

No playback problems either; compatibility has been exceptional.
200 were bought from Newegg, 100 from MegaMediaMall.

[usually_quiet]

I decided to do some more Googling to find out what relationship exists between CMC and Verbatim. I saw some posts from at cdfreaks.com reporting that CMC has been producing Verbatim MIT discs, marked with MCC media codes, and using Verbatim's advanced AZO dyes, for the past 3 or 4 years.

There is supposed to be a way to determine which company actually made the discs from the serial number on the hub. Those starting with "MAP6" were reportedly made by CMC. My discs from 2006 bear those markings. Since I have apparently been been using CMC-made discs for three years now with no problems, I'm not going to worry, as long as they are made to MCC's standards.

I also saw that MBI manufactured at least some of Verbatim's MII discs, but the ones I have were marked with MCC media codes, and used Verbatim's advanced AZO dyes, just like the Verbatim's Taiwan-made CMC discs.

Until I have a problem, I see no reason to switch to Taiyo Yuden. Since I have never tried any of their DVD-R discs, I have no assurance that they will burn as well as Verbatim, plus they are less convenient to buy and more expensive.

[zoobie]

true...you can't buy TY in any B&M store
until there's a problem with verbatim, I'm afraid I just don't see one

[samijubal]

I've had just as good luck with Verbatim as TY, better than the value TYs even. With Verbatims far cheaper price, I always get them with a rebate or a great sale price, and their better spindles, I store the discs on the spindles and hate TY spindles, I'll stick with Verbatim until I have problems with them which hasn't happened yet, MITs or MIIs.

[LCSHG]

I try to check Newegg and the free shipping. Sometimes I catch a good one
Some 4-5 months ago they had free shipping Verbatim +/- disks [100pack] for $15,99 [24.99 reg and AR, but Only 1 Pack [sent in the rebate]
Last month a better deal same disks & pack $13.99 [reg 22.99AR I bought them and sent in the rebate. A reply came [Sorry you have already used your rebate Thank you for your purchase] I t seeme that it's a Newegg sponcered rebate. I would have thought they would have forgotten after 5 months
Newegg would have taken them back but it would have cost 8.50 so I kept them.

I feel Newegg is a good place to buy at a reasonable price, free shipping and follow through as promised

Verbatim Is A Good Disk I can see why a user will stay with them.pr any disk that has worked for them I now use a good number of RiData disks As a matter of fact I have used many different disks and since replacing my 12 DVD recorders burners with PC units [some 21/2 years ago] I have had NO Problems with any disk including +/- RW

[Number Six]

Rebates are usually for a limited number of purchases during a sale, but only for that sale period. A new sale should qualify for a completely different rebate.

[samijubal]

Yes, I've bought Verbatims from 2 or 3 different places or different disc types, +R, -R at the same time, as long as the rebate number is different they are valid and I get them.

The only time I ever had a problem was when Meritline sent a 100 pack that was supposed to be two 50 packs, that's what I ordered and what the rebate was for. I got something in the mail saying wrong product, I called the rebate center and they said they would send the rebate anyway.

[zoobie]

I just received my newegg sale order of Verbatim 4.7GB 16X DVD+R 100 Pack after 6 long days...
They're MIT if it makes any difference...

[terryj]

I ordered a 100 pack spindle of the DVD+R's in the first sale, as well as filled out the rebate. By the time I got through the spindle, about two and a half weeks,
I got the rebate check ( 19th May). Three coasters out of the pack,
and I called Verbatim who sent me replacements as they always do.
The Spindle: MII. The Replacements: MIT.( single jewel case discs)

The three coasters were due to "disc unreadable" errors in my DVD Recorders.
(Magnavox MWR-106D) The other 97 discs did absolutely swell....


I plan on buying another set as they are on sale again I see, with another Mail in Rebate. My 02¢.

[zoobie]

I never got my rebate...just a notice they were processing it 3 weeks ago

[jagabo]

Rebates usually take 2 to 3 months.

[zoobie]

the wife just brought it in...I knew this would work

[ROBERT BLACK]

Okay here's what I keep getting with the latest batch of +R Verbatim Made in India discs. I've also tried burning with Nero,GBurner, and DVDDeCrypter which is the same as Imgburn. SAME results about every third disc, they won't finalize. My burner has zero problems with 8x DVD-R Verbatim made in Taiwan discs and a small batch of left over Maxell/Riteks +R x16 discs. Those finalize,verify and even play fine. I've NEVER had bad Verbatims EVER until this batch.


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[Gen-An]

I decided to do some more Googling to find out what relationship exists between CMC and Verbatim. I saw some posts from at cdfreaks.com reporting that CMC has been producing Verbatim MIT discs, marked with MCC media codes, and using Verbatim's advanced AZO dyes, for the past 3 or 4 years.

It's been a lot longer than that, CMC has been making Mitsubishi DVD media at least since the 4x days: http://hhg.sakura.ne.jp/cd-dvd/px712a/mitsubishi/mcc01rg20_taiwanc.htm. They've also manufactured MCC CD-R media since the late 90s.