CPPM error

[DereX888]

I have received DVD-Audio disc on which I supposed to work.
I can't get it to play.
When I'm trying to play it on my standalone dvd-a/sacd/cdda player I get "Disc Error. CPPM Err" on display (apparently it means "CPPM error").
When I try on my PC using PowerDVD player I get first "Waiting to update CPPM key" message, then after a long time "CPPM is not activated. You cannot play CPPM-protected content. Please activate CPPM later".

The disc is DVD-R, I can copy it without errors with ImgBurn, but I still can't get into DVD-A, only available content is LPCM content from DVD-Video portion (but it is only stereo).
I need the 96kHz 24-bit 5-channels to work with, but I can't get to it and as above - I can't even listen to it.
Client says the disc was listened to on their player and plays 5.1 fine, no "CPPM errors", yet my Onkyo doesn't, and neither is my PC software player.
I'm waiting for new disc (just data with separate pcm streams of all channels) but I am still interested in solving this "CPPM Error" because I have never had such problem before.

IMHO the disc was not properly authored?
Any input appreciated.


/edit
Baldrick, I couldn't decide where this problem belongs to, so feel free to move it to whatever you think is more apropiate subforum.

[Midzuki]

Already tried DVDAExplorer

EDIT:

As for the CPPM error messages --- just a wild guess:

the audio tracks are "watermarked", and the audio_ts folder
does not contain a .MKB file, which makes the stupid players conclude:
"this is pirated content, I will not open it".

[DereX888]

Thanks midzuki for DVDAExplorer reminder
I'm back in business lol

Yes, I have check first for DVDAUDIO.MKB when I searched for CPPM Error (it is there). Maybe its file is corrupted? But they have played this disc before sending to me, so it shouldn't be the case.


/edit:
I just found there is no AUDIO_TS.BUP on the disc (but there is AUDIO_TS.IFO).
AFAIK there always should be backup file (.BUP) for every .IFO file on DVD-Video and DVD-Audio discs. But anyways, this shouldn't affect playback, right?

[Midzuki]

Good questions. I only know that certain players require the DVD-A files
to be stamped/recorded in a very-specific order, which might explain the
issues with your Onkyo and PowerDVD.

Anyway, who needs other AOB players than Shadson's DVD-Audio Player ?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1261226#post1261226

P.S.: I have created a hex-edited version of the damn binary,
now at least it has an icon 8) , and certain misspellings were duly corrected. :P

http://au.geocities.com/rashojin_mizuki/dvda/

HTH!

[DereX888]

Good questions. I only know that certain players require the DVD-A files
to be stamped/recorded in a very-specific order, which might explain the
issues with your Onkyo and PowerDVD.

Anyway, who needs other AOB players than Shadson's DVD-Audio Player ?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1261226#post1261226

P.S.: I have created a hex-edited version of the damn binary,
now at least it has an icon 8) , and certain misspellings were duly corrected. :P

http://au.geocities.com/rashojin_mizuki/dvda/

HTH!

Re: Shadson's player.

You didn't hardcoded *hard enough* the icon
It doesn't show in the player's app (see picture)
Also it has few other minor errors:
app's background color was hardcoded (wrong, it leads to what you see in my picture)
and
it show 6 channels instead of 5.1

Other than that I like it, specially the fact that it relies on ffdshow codec (so futzing with ffdshow's settings once when i installed it is enough and i don't have to setup any settings again with this app).

[Midzuki]

Re: Shadson's player.

You didn't hardcoded *hard enough* the icon
It doesn't show in the player's app (see picture)

I already knew that. Shadson regards himself as a "junior programmer",
and I frankly admit that I am much worse than he.

Also it has few other minor errors:
app's background color was hardcoded (wrong, it leads to what you see in my picture)
and
it show 6 channels instead of 5.1

Other than that I like it, specially the fact that it relies on ffdshow codec (so futzing with ffdshow's settings once when i installed it is enough and i don't have to setup any settings again with this app).

You really should report those flaws to Shadson himself
(if you haven't done it yet, I mean). Too bad the *real* developers
from the open-source world don't give a damn about DVD-Audio ---
--- even the DVD-A Tools team still hasn't written a dedicated DVD-A player.


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[DereX888]

Too bad the *real* developers
from the open-source world don't give a damn about DVD-Audio ---
--- even the DVD-A Tools team still hasn't written a dedicated DVD-A player.


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Well, don't blame them. They probably think the same as I do - there really is no "market" for software DVD-A players.
Actually this is the probably the 3rd software player I have ever encountered to play DVD-As, I really can't recall any other beside PDVD and WinDVD.
DVD-Audio is for music conneisseurs and most likely none of them would ever listen DVD-A on a computer. Majority of PC have so-so audio systems, and for vast majority of computer owners I think its true when I say that their speakers simply suck.
Hence what's the point to play DVD-A on a PC if the system can't even reproduce 25% of the sound stored on such disc? Standard CDDA is probably more than enough... and even if they shelled-out for some "better speakers", still: these expensive plastic-case speakers will never match the sound of even just slightly-above-average "stereo' speakers like my old Yamaha Natural Sound series pieces of wood (for example).
I myself have 7.1 Turtle Beach card in my "media center" PC, yet I don't think I have ever listened to any DVD-A or SACD on PC (except for the disc sampling or testing etc). Maybe if I wouldn't have good "stereo" set I would, but then I wouldn't call myself music connesseur
IMHo listening to music on a PC is abomination Don't get me wrong, it is still good ...but for MP3s only

[Midzuki]

Well, don't blame them. They probably think the same as I do - there really is no "market" for software DVD-A players.
Actually this is the probably the 3rd software player I have ever encountered to play DVD-As, I really can't recall any other beside PDVD and WinDVD.

Well, you "forgot" both the infamous Creative DVD-Audio Player,
the one which only works with the Fraudigy cards, and the overbloated
Creative MediaSource.

DVD-Audio is for music conneisseurs and most likely none of them would ever listen DVD-A on a computer. Majority of PC have so-so audio systems, and for vast majority of computer owner I think its true when I say that their speakers simply suck.

And even if they are some "better ones", these plastic case speakers will never match the sound of just slightly-above-average "stereo' speakers like my Yamaha Natural Sound series pieces of wood.
I myself have 7.1 Turtle Beach card in my "media center" PC, yet I don't think I have ever listened to any DVD-A or SACD on PC (except for the disc sampling or testing etc). Maybe if I wouldn't have good "stereo" set I would, but then I wouldn't call myself music connesseur.

I see your point, which is not very different from mine.
Even the speaker sets of most home theater systems do suck as well.


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[DereX888]

Well, you "forgot" both the infamous Creative DVD-Audio Player,
the one which only works with the Fraudigy cards, and the overbloated
Creative MediaSource.

I remember player for Fraudigy cards (great name BTW ) but IMHO it doesn't count since its a proprietary player.
These not-so-creative Creative apps were just last nails in their market domination coffin I think...

I see your point, which is not very different from mine.
Even the speaker sets of most home theater systems do suck as well.
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Im glad we think alike.
At least for once I don't have to get involved in a useless discussion about "greatness" of the plastic speakers or "qquality" of MP3s that sound "exactly" like CDs

[easterly1]

Well, don't blame them. They probably think the same as I do - there really is no "market" for software DVD-A players.

DVD-Audio is for music conneisseurs and most likely none of them would ever listen DVD-A on a computer. Majority of PC have so-so audio systems, and for vast majority of computer owners I think its true when I say that their speakers simply suck.
Hence what's the point to play DVD-A on a PC if the system can't even reproduce 25% of the sound stored on such disc?

IMHo listening to music on a PC is abomination Don't get me wrong, it is still good ...but for MP3s only

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This is total utter rubbish.
People who create DVD-A titles need a good software player to be able to monitor the results of what they are up to.

Inevitably this involves using the studio PC and playback system,- nothing to do with home systems/tacky speakers argument.

I would go so far as to say, if WE can't hear what we doing properly, you at home don't stand an earthly chance of doing anything at all....!!
I NEED a good DVD-A software player, and in any case at home I usually wire the computer into the monitoring system to give me the best results (usually through a proffessional sound card)

G

[DereX888]

Well, don't blame them. They probably think the same as I do - there really is no "market" for software DVD-A players.

DVD-Audio is for music conneisseurs and most likely none of them would ever listen DVD-A on a computer. Majority of PC have so-so audio systems, and for vast majority of computer owners I think its true when I say that their speakers simply suck.
Hence what's the point to play DVD-A on a PC if the system can't even reproduce 25% of the sound stored on such disc?

IMHo listening to music on a PC is abomination Don't get me wrong, it is still good ...but for MP3s only

--
This is total utter rubbish.
People who create DVD-A titles need a good software player to be able to monitor the results of what they are up to.

Inevitably this involves using the studio PC and playback system,- nothing to do with home systems/tacky speakers argument.

I would go so far as to say, if WE can't hear what we doing properly, you at home don't stand an earthly chance of doing anything at all....!!
I NEED a good DVD-A software player, and in any case at home I usually wire the computer into the monitoring system to give me the best results (usually through a proffessional sound card)

G

Perhaps you should ask yourself how many of "WE" are out there? Then you'd understand better why there is only handful of software DVD-A players.
If you work in a studio, on a professional equipment (whatever PC workstation/console/whatever it is called there) you already have "software" player there, don't you?
I'm sure you don't work on a Windows Vista PC with audigy card + SoundForge?