Windows 7 Trumping Vista yet again.

[Poppa_Meth]

One more reason Windows 7 promises to be better than Vista.

Some applications designed for XP that never worked under the Vista OS are once again functional under Windows 7.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10193658-56.html

[sunderland]

its a shame punkbuster doesnt work properly under it as i would of stuck with it instead of having to go back to vista

[bendixG15]

One more reason Windows 7 promises to be better than Vista.

Some applications designed for XP that never worked under the Vista OS are once again functional under Windows 7.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10193658-56.html

So logically, that makes Windows 7 an upgrade to WinXP. Eh?

[oldfart13]

It would seem so if you could upgrade from XP (which you can't without erasing your drive). Bummer that...

[Supreme2k]

You will be able to, once it goes retail.

[pchan]

That's one sure way to make money.
Forcing users to use Vista and now touting Window 7 is better Vista.

[wulf109]

How many times will you buy the same OS with a new name and cosmetic bloat?

[MOVIEGEEK]

From all the reports I have read it looks like Windows 7 will be better than Vista,7 will work on older PC's and software where Vista will not.
To be fair I haven't tried either but it's looking like Vista will be remembered as fondly as WinMe.

[yoda313]

but it's looking like Vista will be remembered as fondly as WinMe.

I don't have any complaints on Vista. Nothing beyond the normal run of the mill Windows hiccups you get now and then of course.

I have no plans on upgrading to Win7. I will only get Win7 whenever I buy my next computer - whenver that is.

There are no functional problems with Vista. I think WinMe's problem wasn't it wasn't a true "new system" so that might of been why it had so many issues. The only really advance WinMe made was adding the System Restore - hold on wasn't it also the first home non-NT version of Windows to dump DOS completely? I mean dump as in not having it be bootable to dos? It introduced the dos prompt console didn't it?

[MOVIEGEEK]

Yes WinMe introduced System Restore but it didnt always work and it would retain malware,I always turned it off.I had to use Norton System Works every week to keep my WinMe PC working,if I didn't I would get the BSOD.The one nice thing about WinMe is you didn't have to activate it with MS.

[JohnnyMalaria]

WinMe was on a laptop bought - it was replaced within days with Win2K.

Vista has been on this system since Nov 2006 and will remain my default OS (64-bit for the last year) until well beyond Windows 7 RTM is available. I'll use the latter for software development testing but, since it is nothing more than Windows NT 6.1 (not 7.0), there'll be little recoding required. 5.1 to 6.0 led to more than a few headaches.

I've yet to see anything to get excited about with '7'. And some of the features being touted as new and impressive already exist in Vista! I don't know where these 'reviewers' hide but they should stay there.

Still, MS exists to give dividends to the shareholders and has set a target to get back to the 3-year new client launch cycle. If 7 goes RTM by November, MS will meet that goal.

[MOVIEGEEK]

This article basically says what I wrote in my earlier post:
http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/Microsoft/Latest-Windows-Version-Could-be-Lucky-7-fo...rosoft-651394/

[dessieclive]

Vista. or 7 wont play dts xp will

[lordsmurf]

I'm okay with Vista after it's customized, as long as it's on a quad-core box with 64-bit OS and a gob of RAM. Sad that the OS needs so much overhead.

The "7" is just the inclusion of most modifications, that I can see.

[MJA]

its a shame punkbuster doesnt work properly under it as i would of stuck with it instead of having to go back to vista

so no battlefield 2 MP .Thanx for the info

[stiltman]

Vista. or 7 wont play dts xp will

wrong

[mazinz]

heres hoping that sygate firewall will work under win 7 then

[edDV]

Why all this Vista vs. Windows7 talk?

Vista was a step to a rewrite. They had to hold back much of the more advanced guts because time was short and the infrastructure advances couldn't be marketed.

Windows 7 is Vista 2.0 remarketed. The question is what is in it for the consumer?

Foundation work is never seen but necessary. The real question is whether the foundation design is sound?


Observation: Apple punted the foundation and went with Linux and Intel. That allowed shift of all limited resources to user interface and proprietary apps/features. BTW, Apple could care less if older software or hardware is supported. They get to redefine the current. Microsoft must support legacy when practical.

[RabidDog]

No upgrade from xp to Win7 <MS>Official</MS>
MS is in trouble, why does anybody need to upgrade their OS? Business is forced too, and they get all the new computer users.. but existing users? they're quite happy with Xp (or less happy with Vista) .. Remember MS is thinking about the next 1.3Billion Computer users in the LDC.. not rich Westerners who they can charge an ARM and a leg.. thus WIn7 basic for five dolla.

@trumping is another polite word for Breaking wind, in the UK@

[Dv8ted2]

No upgrade from xp to Win7 <MS>Official</MS>
MS is in trouble,

That is debatable. Computer parts do eventually wear old and software is forced into obsolescence. This hardly means that Microsoft is in trouble. Back up your data and perform a clean install. It is not the end of the world.

[JohnnyMalaria]

Well, I look forward to the hissy fits from everyone who has put Win 7 Beta on their systems when they realize that they won't be able to upgrade to the RC (nor the RTM, obviously). That will only be possible from a Vista SP1 system - and that is official, too.

[Number Six]

You can upgrade the Windows 7 Beta to the RC and RTM:

FROM PAUL THURROTT'S SUPERSITE FOR WINDOWS:

Upgrading from Windows 7 Beta to the Release Candidate
I've written in the past that Microsoft will support upgrading from the Beta version of Windows 7 to the upcoming release candidate (RC) version. And it's true. But as Microsoft reveals in a typically long-winded Engineering Windows 7 blog post, it's going to take a bit of work.

These instructions will be brief.

LOL. That sentence appears a whopping 1,058 words into the post, by the way.

Anyway...

Here’s what you can do to bypass the check for pre-release upgrade IF YOU REALLY REALLY NEED TO:

Download the ISO as you did previously and burn the ISO to a DVD.
Copy the whole image to a storage location you wish to run the upgrade from (a bootable flash drive or a directory on any partition on the machine running the pre-release build).
Browse to the sources directory.
Open the file cversion.ini in a text editor like Notepad.
Modify the MinClient build number to a value lower than the down-level build. For example, change 7100 to 7000.
Save the file in place with the same name.
Run setup like you would normally from this modified copy of the image and the version check will be bypassed.
These same steps will be required as we transition from the RC milestone to the RTM milestone.

So let's be clear here: Upgrading build over build is never recommended. If you can do it, do a clean install of the RC instead.

Oh, and as for RC-to-RTM or Beta-to-RTM upgrades, I'd been told previously that this would not be supported. But the workaround above will apparently work. Seriously, do not do this.

Published Apr 07 2009, 07:28 PM by pthurrott
Filed under: Windows 7

[JohnnyMalaria]

Yes, I know. I read that MS blog. I was stating the *official* position. You'd be foolish to try to get around it. Just as you'd be foolish to be using Win 7 Beta as your primary OS.

And little children will be throwing temper tantrums because hoops have to be jumped through.

[rallynavvie]

So let's be clear here: Upgrading build over build is never recommended. If you can do it, do a clean install of the RC instead.

Just reiterating this point because it has been true since the very first days of Windows. Clean install > upgraded install for me any day.

Besides, this is exactly the sort of thing that VMs are for

[Number Six]

rallynavvie - I definitely agree - I only do clean installs.

I just posted the info above to show that an upgrade can be done for anyone that feels that they MUST upgrade, but it is never a good idea to upgrade from a BETA.

[wtsinnc]

Despite the positive feedback to-date, it looks as if Microsoft is hedging it's bets regarding public acceptance of Windows 7.

I also posted this at Wilder's.


http://www.betanews.com/article/Confirmed-Windows-7-users-will-have-XP-downgrade-option/1239056928

[Dv8ted2]

it's looking like Vista will be remembered as fondly as WinMe.

Nope

[JohnnyMalaria]

I will never understand this Me = Vista crap. Me was a fiasco. Vista is a solid OS in my experience. I suspect those that make the comparison have not used both or even one.

As far as the doom and gloom merchants predicting a disaster for MS, better understand their business model and most important sectors for revenue. Windows client ain't it. It represents a minority fraction of profit. Which is why it serves as a bank roller for developing their real money makers and why they set a 3-year cycle for new versions (including minors such as Win6.1).

[lordsmurf]

I never had a problem with ME. I only moved away from it because it had issues understanding more than 1GB of RAM.

Vista, on the other had, is too click needy. I have to click at least twice as much to do the same thing as I do in XP -- and yes, I have UAC turned off. Still doesn't help.

[Dv8ted2]

I never had a problem with ME. I only moved away from it because it had issues understanding more than 1GB of RAM.

Vista, on the other had, is too click needy. I have to click at least twice as much to do the same thing as I do in XP -- and yes, I have UAC turned off. Still doesn't help.

Instead of turning it off, why not use tweakuac?