I want to make a menu with a short video clip playing in the bottom corner and bakground music for the menu. Adding music is simple but what's the step to accomplish the video clip on the menu? I'm using Vegas 8 Pro for the video and know how to size it to what I need. I have access to Corel Paint Shop Pro for stills. I tried adding the text I want to a still in PSP, then importing into Vegas and putting the video where I want and importing a rendered MPEG-2 into DVD Lab. That seems to work and look fine but I can't add a WAV to the menu for music. Is there a different workflow I should be using or some settings I'm overlooking?
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Congrats, you puzzled most of it out yourself.
Add the music to the movie of the menu you are making while it's still in Vegas. Then, import the final thing as a menu item and just add the highlights in DVD Lab. You need the lengths of the sound and video to match anyway and that's the cleanest way to be sure.
Remember that the movie has to loop as smoothly as possible so fade the sound in and out and think of what it will look like then the end screen touches the start screen.
For reference, rip a couple of DVDs that you like. You will find little 30-second "movies" in them that are the motion menus.
One last trick. You can fade in your menu by making a "first play" movie that leads to your first menu. I've done that where the bits all fly in. Then I make a second movie with the pieces in place and the looping song. Once you grasp this you can go lots of nice tricks.
A (first play) -> B -> B -> B (looping) -> C (fade out after selection) -> Movie -
Thanks. When you say Menu Item though are you talking about just importing the media and dropping it into the menu to make it the background? like I would with a still image? I tried that earlier and the sound didn't play. Maybe I had something wrong. Should I export the audio track from Vegas as WAV? If I import the MPEG-2 into DVD Lab will it accept a WAV as the menu background?
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Yes, import the mini-movie, then drop it on the menu.
Where did the sound not play? Sound never plays inside DVD Lab Pro unless you have the Pro Extensions. Look at the asset and you will notice that there is both a video and audio track and they both have something listed in them.
Do a test compile and you will hear it outside the program. I vaguely remember hearing a warning that you should make the sound format of your menus match the sound format of your movies but I don't know if that's really a rule or more of a guideline. -
I tried it out again and found the problem. The first one I did before I made this post I used an MPEG-2 rendered from Vegas. Even though it had no sound it was not an elementary stream which is what I needed. I did a test with M2V and WAV elementary streams and it works.
I also understand your advice about smooth fades and such. This project will have a first play video with my contact information and will go to the menu after that. I always make sure any clips like that have proper fade in/out so it's as smooth as possible. -
If you are using audio on the menu, make sure it is the same format as the audio on the movie assets. So if your movie assets have AC3 audio, the menu must have AC3 audio. If not, you may find that the movie assets will play without sound on some players.
Read my blog here.
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What about using an elementary M2V and WAV stream? Will that cause any problems?
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If you use PCM audio for your movie assets then you will have no problems. If you don't, then you may have problems. Again, both the menu assets and the movie assets must have the same audio format to be compliant and guarantee playback.
Read my blog here.
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OK, I got it. All video will be M2V elementary streams and I'll use AC3. Thanks.
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I've got the workflow down to make it work but I'm getting a lot of noise on the final video fro the menu. I assume it would be called flickering. I tried applying the Reduce Interlace Flicker switch in Vegas before i rendered and tried rendering the final as interlace and progressive to see if it makes a difference. Am I missing something else?
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Some weirdness going on here.
I rendered as DV-AVI and used TMPGEnc Plus to encode to elemetary M2V stream. The AVI looks perfect. The M2V has weird noise like colored pixellation. It happens in the final compiled DVD menu also.
I export as MPEG-2 with Vegas. The MPEG jitters in Media Player but looks fine in VLC. It looks fine in the finished DVD so I have accomplished what I want but I can't understand why the tools I normaly used would cause problems. -
I have had Vegas, on the odd occasion, change the interlace order of DV clips to top field first, which can cause flickering and stuttering. It can be fixed by right-clicking the clip, choosing Properties, and changing the order back to Bottom Field First.
Any corruption in the m2v will appear in the menu, because the menu uses the video as-is. I don't know why Tmpgenc has done this, as I don't use it.Read my blog here.
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If that was the case then the AVI would look fine but when TEMPGEnc encoded it with bottom filed first it could cause problems, right?
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