Cannot capture HDV with Canon HV30

[ChrisU]

Hi All,

When I put a DV tape into my HV30 and plug into the IEEE1394, XP pings, detects the camera, and I can then capture video from my DV tapes.

However, when I put a HDV tape into the camcord, and plug into the IEEE1394, XP does NOT ping, and does NOT detect the camcord attached. Then of course I cannot capture my HDV format video.

Has anyone else had this? What could the problem be?

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris

[aedipuss]

i don't have one, but i think there is a cam menu setting that must be changed to switch between HDV and miniDV transfer.

[edDV]

Yup change camcorder settings to HDV out and use HDVSplit for capture.

XP is clueless about HDV. Vista Home Premium and Ultimate versions of WMM can cap HDV but HDVSplit is better.

[ChrisU]

Hi,

Thanks for your replies. The menu settings are all setup to output HDV, not DV. If I put a DV tape in, then I have to switch it around. But still using HDV settings, my PC doesnt recognise the camcord is connected.

I installed HDVSplit and all it says is "Camcorder is not recognized or connected".

Any help appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris

[Soopafresh]

You do have the camera set to "play" as opposed to "camera", right? Also, isn't the transfer of Standard Def DV resolution video on the HV30 via USB? (I could be wrong, I've never set my camera to DV res). You're positive you're using Firewire? The HV30 doesn't come with the necessary Firewire cable, you have to actually buy a 4pin to 6pin cable to do HDV transfer (idiotic on Canon's part, IMHO)

[edDV]

DV and HDV are transferred over Firewire

[ChrisU]

Hi,

Yea im techy anyway (software developer), so yes I am using firewire and yes for both DV and HDV you have to be set to PLAY.

Still no go though

Thanks,
Chris

[Megahurts]

Do you have XP service pack 2 installed? HDV will not be recognized without it.

[JimboS]

You need a program that will "do" High Def....
What program are you using to capture High def????
There are very few programs that will capture HiDef..
The latest one's out will..like Studio version12 (Pinnacle)
I don't THINK an XP machine will ever recognize HD............I may be wrong..
Vista is fine...

[edDV]

I'm back at the camcorder now. This is a similar HV20.

This is the menu where you set HDV vs. DV out to the IEEE-1394. This menu is under "play" mode.

[zoobie]

perhaps you need to unplug the cable to the cam when changing settings...believe it or not

[turk690]

When I connected the HV30 to one PC with the requisite HD settings, XP Pro didn't see it, although, like ChrisU, with DV settings all seemed OK. (This is on inspecting device manager and Moviemaker.) On another PC, though, with HD settings, it was recognized merely as an "AVC device". Both PCs had Premiere Pro 2.0 and in both, Premiere does recognize and capture HDV without fuss. Premiere is OK, but if it were not I'd use HDVSplit.
edDV is right in that XP is more or less clueless about HDV, and it's up to the programs and drivers you will install that will allow you to use it.
Maybe this is like another situation I've always wondered about concerning Microsoft's DV codec. Why is it that some programs, like ULead Cool 3D, for exporting to an AVI file, DV is not an option like the usual riffraff Cinepak, etc. codecs are? DV AVI only becomes an option if it's deliberately installed, like MainConcept's. On the other hand, why do some programs, like Premiere, do in fact have Microsoft DV AVI as an option to export to? Is the Microsoft DV AVI codec installed when XP is installed and set-up initially? (Obviously, because Moviemaker uses it.) Or is the NLE program, etc. the one that installs it? Or is Microsoft DV a special codec available only to certain programs and not to all and under certain conditions?
I haven't touched Vista yet in a grand manner but does it treat HDV the same way as XP does DV??

[NoBuddy]

turk690:
of course MS DV codec gets installed by default.
--> qdv.dll

And you can render to DV in Cool 3D.
Save as Video File, AVI - Compression.
Choose DV Type 1 or DV Type 2.

OT - nothing to do with the original question about HDV....

[ChrisU]

Hi All,

Thanks for your replies. Im worried now that I may be FORCED into getting Vista. I dont like Vista that much.

Im using XP SP3 at the moment. Yes cables have been re-inserted after changing settings and cam has been turned off and on after changing each setting.

Im using Pinnacle 12 Ultimate for my capture and editing. I have also logged this as a problem with Canon to see what they have to say.

QUESTION - Will chaning my IEEE driver help? Where did you get yours? Could someone using XP SP3 let me know what driver they use?

Thanks,
Chris

[Soopafresh]

I have XP SP2 and it's never been a problem. Can you isolate the issue by connecting your camera to a friend's computer? Try that first.


Read these pages:

http://muvipix.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=3228

http://hv20.com/showthread.php?p=158207

You can refresh the 1394 driver by turning off 1394 in the bios and rebooting into Windows. Then reboot again, go into bios and turn the 1394 port on again. Windows PNP should find the device and reinstall the drivers for it.

Another route

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Descr...4+card&x=0&y=0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Descr...rewire&x=0&y=0

Vista isn't the solution

[Megahurts]

These files were added to XP with SP2 for HDV transfer and are found in the system32 folder.
avcstrm.sys
mstape.sys
stream.sys

And in the windows folder:
mstape.inf

In the Device Manager/sound, video and game controllers/, there should be a listing "AV/C Tape Device" when the camera is truned on (HDV mode).

[ozonetv]

We have a similar issue. We have an HV30 that used to capture that has, on occasion, captured in HDV. Unfortunately, it's not happening anymore. We've tried it on several macs (imac, G5, quad), on FCP and iMovie...and nothing- it's not being recognized. We've switched cables, plugged it into the power supply (not battery power), and had no luck. No macs recognize the camera (yes it's on playback, not record). We've trashed prefereneces too.

It feels like it's some sort of internal camera setting...we have it set on HDV out...

any ideas?

[edDV]

We have a similar issue. We have an HV30 that used to capture that has, on occasion, captured in HDV. Unfortunately, it's not happening anymore. We've tried it on several macs (imac, G5, quad), on FCP and iMovie...and nothing- it's not being recognized. We've switched cables, plugged it into the power supply (not battery power), and had no luck. No macs recognize the camera (yes it's on playback, not record). We've trashed prefereneces too.

It feels like it's some sort of internal camera setting...we have it set on HDV out...

any ideas?

I'm having no problem on Vista, an SP3 XP and on this Tiger MacMini iMovie08 that I'm typing on.

Just plugged in the HV20 (HDV mode) to the Mac and the capture window appeared. Like people have been saying HDV connect is by applcation not OS like DV.





It also displays the cam in "camera"mode.

[ozonetv]

Why would several macs not recognize a camera? We have it set on HDV playback, tried several cables, put it on playback mode...should be seen in iMovie...no

Any help would be appreciated muchly.

[edDV]

Are you using an updated iMovie'08 ?

Any question on camcorder settings I can confirm here.

Get it working in normal HDV mode before you try 24p or 30p.

[ozonetv]

iMovie is latest 7.1.4
Settings are as follows:

Playback STD "A"
TV Type 16:9
Output channel Pos & Neg speech bubbles
Audio Out ST-1

AV/Phones AV
Comp Out 1080i
DV Output HDV/DV

HDMI Out

[edDV]

iMovie is latest 7.1.4
Settings are as follows:

7.1.4 <ok

Playback STD "A" <<<< Try HDV (forced)
TV Type 16:9 <ok
Output channel Pos & Neg speech bubbles <ok
Audio Out ST-1 <ok

AV/Phones AV <ok
Comp Out 1080i <ok
DV Output HDV/DV <ok
HDMI Out <ok

[ChrisU]

Hi All,

Thanks for your replies. Now my situation seems to be worse. I cannot capture either DV or HDV now. Camera is simply not detected by XP SP3.

I have noticed my VIA OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller driver date is 01/07/2001 ! Does anyone have a newer version?

Cheers,
Chris

PS Canon asked me - Have I got my cam in play mode Ofcourse I b*****dy have!

[Soopafresh]

2001 ? Do you have SP2 installed with the 1394 update I posted above?

You can try this driver, although I've never tested it myself.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~iwan/1394/downloads/1394camera645.exe

http://www.mip.sdu.dk/ipl98/cameras/firewire/firewire_cmu.html#Installing%20the%20drivers

[minidv2dvd]

i'd start thinking along the lines of a bad fw port or cable. the bad port could be on either end. try hooking the cam to a computer that is known to transfer HDV ok with your cable. if it works then your computer fw port may be fried. if not swap out a known good cable and repeat until you can identify the last remaining possibility.

[edDV]

Remember to switch cam back to DV out mode if you want to connect DV.

The HV20/30 can shoot DV or HDV.

A DV recording will only output as DV.

An HDV recording can be set to output as either HDV or DV.

[stompinne]

Hi All,

Thanks for your replies. Now my situation seems to be worse. I cannot capture either DV or HDV now. Camera is simply not detected by XP SP3.

I have noticed my VIA OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller driver date is 01/07/2001 ! Does anyone have a newer version?

Cheers,
Chris

PS Canon asked me - Have I got my cam in play mode Ofcourse I b*****dy have!

Do you have the latest and all drivers/software for your cam installed from Canon's support site?
Had similar problems with my hv-30, works fine now in HDV-output, myself i use vegas, as editor.

[gobbler92]

I posted this in the HV20/HV30 users group, too.

Basically, I, too had initial issues getting my HV30 to communicate properly with my WinXP (SP3) laptop via IEEE1394/Firewire. In my case, the solution was to install the EOS software included with the camera. The documentation led me to believe that the EOS software was only useful for the SD/Still Image capture and USB. I have an EOS Digital Rebel (which I have owned for 5 years) so I am familiar with the EOS software and I *assumed* that I did not need it for the HDV capture. However, after much trial and error and much scouring of help forums I finally resorted to what probably should have been my first step and installed all of the included software from the Canon CD-ROM.. After the requisite Windows reboot I was able to connect to the laptop (HV20 playback mode and HDV instead ofr "A") and capture a full set HDV footage using HDVSplit.

So, not knowing how many others may visit this thread I thought I would suggest to everyone who purchases the HV30 and who wants to capture HDV on Win XP - install the EOS software first.

[zoobie]

mfg's should save money by omitting the directions since they're not read anyway...

[edDV]

As a general expectation, DV is supported in XP, Vista and Mac OSX. HDV is supported from the application.

Vista Home Premium or Ultimate add HDV driver support for Movie Maker as does, iLife for Mac. HDV drivers are also loaded by various third party applications.

I'm not sure whether HDVsplit adds drivers or piggybacks on existing HDV drivers.