Capture Card With No Delay Input Capable of 720p+ @ 60fps?

[NeoCyrus]

I've been looking for a capture card which can take input from component (or both component and HDMI) and output at a resolution of at least 720p (I've found nothing which can do 1080p) at 60+ frames per second. I'm looking for one which would have no input delay from a console since I plan on connecting my PS3 to it.

I've searched as much as I could and I've found only two possible solutions (available around Toronto):
- Black Magic Intensity Pro - $500 after taxes
- Hauppauge HD PVR - $303 after taxes

Are there any other alternatives, and if not, am I correct that both meet the requirements (720p, 60fps, no input delay)? I'm planning on buying the Hauppauge HD PVR tomorrow so if any of you have any better suggestions please respond ASAP.

[jagabo]

Hauppauge HD PVR can capture 720p60 but has a lot of delay between the live feed and what you see on the monitor. On the order of 1/2 second, I believe.

[NeoCyrus]

Hauppauge HD PVR can capture 720p60 but has a lot of delay between the live feed and what you see on the monitor. On the order of 1/2 second, I believe.

1/2 second? Ouch, well that would certainly ruin my plans.

Can anyone who owns one confirm if it has delay or not? I thought I heard someone say it doesn't...

[vhelp]

hmm.., what's so wrong or bad about a 1/2 sec delay anyway ?

I asked because my Pinnacle Studio AV/DV (pci card) has a 10 to 12 second delay--no video for that amount of time before it finally displays it in the capture window--using virtualdub as my primary recorder. When I get the finished (dv) AVI's, the video is perfectly contained, and there is no audio delay. Its just a driver thing or something, I guess.

Still on topic, (still testing my ATI tv wonder pro card this past week) the video starts almost emediately. Actaully, I think it starts, 1/2 sec once again, perfectly container, and no audio delay.

I think they "delay" issue is exagerated too far. I wish I only had 1/2 sec on my Pinnacle Studio AV/DV

-vhelp 4949

[guns1inger]

I believe the OP is intending to capture game play footage from his PS3. If you is also watching through the capture the window while playing then the delay will make response times in the games unusable.

[jagabo]

Hauppauge HD PVR can capture 720p60 but has a lot of delay between the live feed and what you see on the monitor. On the order of 1/2 second, I believe.

1/2 second? Ouch, well that would certainly ruin my plans.

Can anyone who owns one confirm if it has delay or not? I thought I heard someone say it doesn't...

I do own one. I just wasn't set up in a way I could measure the delay. I just tuned the same tv channel with the cable box + HD PVR and another TV in the house -- with the volume up so that I could hear them both. The HD PVR component passthrough was about 2 seconds behind the live feed on the other TV. The video capture module was about 2.5 seconds behind the live feed.

[NeoCyrus]

I believe the OP is intending to capture game play footage from his PS3. If you is also watching through the capture the window while playing then the delay will make response times in the games unusable.

Yes, even the slightest delay would ruin it especially for fighting games.

Hauppauge HD PVR can capture 720p60 but has a lot of delay between the live feed and what you see on the monitor. On the order of 1/2 second, I believe.

1/2 second? Ouch, well that would certainly ruin my plans.

Can anyone who owns one confirm if it has delay or not? I thought I heard someone say it doesn't...

I do own one. I just wasn't set up in a way I could measure the delay. I just tuned the same tv channel with the cable box + HD PVR and another TV in the house -- with the volume up so that I could hear them both. The HD PVR component passthrough was about 2 seconds behind the live feed on the other TV. The video capture module was about 2.5 seconds behind the live feed.

Oh man, that would leave just the Black Magic Intensity Pro as an option and that's ridiculously overpriced at any stores in Toronto. I don't plan on spending $500 on a capture card.

[olyteddy]

Is the PS3 another of those stupid boxes that can't output 2 video signals at once? If it can, why don't you just run the regular res to a monitor and the hi-res to the recorder?

[NeoCyrus]

Is the PS3 another of those stupid boxes that can't output 2 video signals at once? If it can, why don't you just run the regular res to a monitor and the hi-res to the recorder?

The component cable uses the same slot which the composite cable does so that's not possible. Even if it didn't have HDCP and I used HDMI I still couldn't use composite at the same time because you have to select what resolution to output at... you can't have two signals at once.

Besides at normal resolution it looks terrible and at 30fps it really ruins things in a fighting game where certain things have to be accurate to the frame based on 60fps.

Assuming it were possible I don't think that would change the delay though, unless the capture card is specifically designed not to have delay (like the garbage GameBridge by Adaptec) odds are it will

[FulciLives]

You could get a component video / audio distribution amp. One set goes to your HDTV/Stereo for playing and the other set goes to your recording device. Thus if the recording device has lag ... no problems!

Just doing a quick google I found the following:

http://www.amazon.com/AV-400COMP-High-Performance-Component-Distribution/dp/B0009QW4MM...7762275&sr=8-2

Good Luck

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
Here is another that is a bit cheaper: http://homeavcables.com/40-937b.html?productid=40-937b&channelid=NEXTA

[NeoCyrus]

You could get a component video / audio distribution amp. One set goes to your HDTV/Stereo for playing and the other set goes to your recording device. Thus if the recording device has lag ... no problems!

Just doing a quick google I found the following:

http://www.amazon.com/AV-400COMP-High-Performance-Component-Distribution/dp/B0009QW4MM...7762275&sr=8-2

Good Luck

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

Thanks for the suggestion but that won't quite work since I was planning on using my monitor as the HDTV. The TV I currently have is not an HD one... why it has component though I'll never know considering it doesn't even have SPDIF.

[FulciLives]

Who owns a PS3 without having a HDTV ???

Makes no sense.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[NeoCyrus]

Who owns a PS3 without having a HDTV ???

Makes no sense.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

Someone who was crazy enough to think he could use his monitor as an HDTV.

[jagabo]

How about an HDMI to DVI cable? Audio has to be handled separately.
http://forum.gefen.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1241

[NeoCyrus]

How about an HDMI to DVI cable? Audio has to be handled separately.
http://forum.gefen.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1241

Even that won't work, none of my monitors are designed to work with HDCP. A converter doesn't strip the HDCP, it still shows a blank on the monitor. Besides, half the point is to be able to record video and take screenshots... if I were to use an HDMI to DVI converter I'd still have to get a splitter so I can input the signal into SOMETHING to record it as well, so I'd have to buy that too. That'd be a huge hassle, but it's not an option anyway.

[olyteddy]

Then use the distribution amp to feed the capture and record blindly while playing the game on the monitor.

[edDV]

You need the component distribution amp and an HDTV to watch it live.

Or, you need an HDMI splitter and a computer monitor or HDTV with HDMI/HDCP input.

Or, you need a time machine for your PS3 controller so that it reacts seconds before you move the paddle.

[SHS]

You don't need a distribution amp with HD-PVR
The HD-PVR has component output for realtime perview

[edDV]

You don't need a distribution amp with HD-PVR
The HD-PVR has component output for realtime perview

That helps.

Have you heard of any "Black Friday" deals on an HD-PVR?

[jagabo]

I just checked again. I was wrong earlier. The 2 second delay between the HD PVR's composite output and another TV wasn't caused by the HD PVR. The delay was caused by the cable DVR I was recording from. It was 2 seconds behind the live broadcast.

But between the live signal and what you see on the computer monitor with Arcsoft's Capture Module (ie, what the HD PVR is capturing) there is about a half second delay. So you have to use the passthrough to get realtime feedback for games.

[FulciLives]

You can't connect component video to a computer monitor.

There is no component video to DVI / HDMI connector/adapter.

I found one component video to VGA converter box but it only supports 480p from the component input.

So things don't look good.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[NeoCyrus]

You can't connect component video to a computer monitor.

There is no component video to DVI / HDMI connector/adapter.

I found one component video to VGA converter box but it only supports 480p from the component input.

So things don't look good.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

I've actually been searching for a solution for a while before I joined this forum and I'm quite certain that I saw some HD component to HDMI converters but they were expensive and of course bulky.

It seems I have 4 choices:
- Buy the retardedly overpriced Black Magic Intensity Pro
- Buy the Hauppauge HD PVR and hope that I get lucky and for some reason there is no delay in my case and if there is return it and get an 85% refused (they keep 15% if you return -_-)
- Buy a standard capture card and bear with the horrible picture
- Figure out how to use my crappy old GameBridge TV tuner in Vista 64, using XP compatibility and running as admin gets it to install in Vista 32 but in 64 the drivers simply refuse to install

[StEaLtHsHoT]

Hey man i'm in the same boat as you I want to broadcast my 360 and need and HDMI or Component Capture card. if you end up getting that Hauppauge let us know because I'll have some questions for you.

[edDV]

You can't connect component video to a computer monitor.

There is no component video to DVI / HDMI connector/adapter.

I found one component video to VGA converter box but it only supports 480p from the component input.

So things don't look good.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

I've actually been searching for a solution for a while before I joined this forum and I'm quite certain that I saw some HD component to HDMI converters but they were expensive and of course bulky.

It seems I have 4 choices:
- Buy the retardedly overpriced Black Magic Intensity Pro
- Buy the Hauppauge HD PVR and hope that I get lucky and for some reason there is no delay in my case and if there is return it and get an 85% refused (they keep 15% if you return -_-)
- Buy a standard capture card and bear with the horrible picture
- Figure out how to use my crappy old GameBridge TV tuner in Vista 64, using XP compatibility and running as admin gets it to install in Vista 32 but in 64 the drivers simply refuse to install

Or you can use similar money to buy an LCD-TV (as you should have in the first place) that can switch inputs from DVI-D (computer) to analog component (game console).

Shop today for some great Black Friday deals.

[NeoCyrus]

Or you can use similar money to buy an LCD-TV (as you should have in the first place) that can switch inputs from DVI-D (computer) to analog component (game console).

Shop today for some great Black Friday deals.

Black Friday doesn't exist outside of the US. Right now I have found a store downtown which sells the Black Magic Intensity Pro for $450 (including taxes) which seems to be the cheapest around. Even if I buy a new monitor/TV that still doesn't help me much with capturing. I'd still have to buy something capable of capturing an HD picture plus I'd have to buy a splitter as well.

[edDV]

Or you can use similar money to buy an LCD-TV (as you should have in the first place) that can switch inputs from DVI-D (computer) to analog component (game console).

Shop today for some great Black Friday deals.

Black Friday doesn't exist outside of the US. Right now I have found a store downtown which sells the Black Magic Intensity Pro for $450 (including taxes) which seems to be the cheapest around. Even if I buy a new monitor/TV that still doesn't help me much with capturing. I'd still have to buy something capable of capturing an HD picture plus I'd have to buy a splitter as well.

You aren't going to get it to time out for game play with just a computer monitor. You need a direct path for responsive game play and a path for capture. An HDTV allows you to switch from computer output to a direct game feed. So yes, you need a capture card and an HDTV. You can sell the computer monitor.

[valis77]

You could get a component video / audio distribution amp. One set goes to your HDTV/Stereo for playing and the other set goes to your recording device. Thus if the recording device has lag ... no problems!

Just doing a quick google I found the following:

http://www.amazon.com/AV-400COMP-High-Performance-Component-Distribution/dp/B0009QW4MM...7762275&sr=8-2

Good Luck

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
Here is another that is a bit cheaper: http://homeavcables.com/40-937b.html?productid=40-937b&channelid=NEXTA

the question is can it run 60FPS?

[Cauptain]

avertv hd dvr

[valis77]

avertv hd dvr

no the
CE LABS AV 400COMP High-Performance Component/HDTV Distribution Amplifier

[Cauptain]

avertv hd dvr

no the
CE LABS AV 400COMP High-Performance Component/HDTV Distribution Amplifier

No need. Only AVERTV HD DVR.