New printer for DVD labels

[cobra jet]

Well I have finial decided to start walking upright and stop using sticky labels on my DVD’s. What are some options for me to print nice looking labels at a reasonable cost both initially and per DVD (under $150)? I have been looking at a couple of printers that seem ok and I was hoping for recommendations.
HP D7560 ($150)
HP D5360 ($90)

Thanks
Mark

[jman98]

I have the Canon Pixma IP4500 which is great for this task. I used Taiyo Yuden Waterhshield discs.

Note that Canon is not allowed to sell their printers in the USA ready to print to discs, so you have to "hack" them. You'll have to buy a disc tray on Ebay and follow the instructions here to hack your printer:
http://damnprinter.com/105/the-five-easy-steps.html

Canon can't sell their printers ready to print to discs in the USA because Epson owns a patent on printing to discs. I hate Epson. Prior to buying the Canon, I bought an Epson printer to print to discs and the damn thing refused to accept the Epson ink cartridges that came with it. You see the problem is that Epson is paranoid beyond belief that you (gasp!) might buy ink cartridges from someone other than Epson, so some of their printers are a little too strict in checking the cartridges and they won't accept any cartridges at all. Know what the fix is for this problem? You have to replace the entire printer. I returned the Epson printer for a refund and decided that I would never buy another Epson product again. Yes it sucks a little that you have to hack the Canon and buy a tray on Ebay for it, but Canon's printers just work.

[stiltman]

The 5360 does just fine.
I started out with the nornal carts, then I replaced the black cart with the multi color 99 cart.

[cobra jet]

Between the two, the HP D5360 is about ½ the initial purchase cost of the IP4500. I currently have a Canon I950. I am happy with it, but I am always replacing ink cartridges considering I do not print that much stuff.

1. Which one do you think would be cheaper as far as ink consumption?
2. Does the HP have a disc tray like the cannon? If not, how does the disc printing work?
3. Is the HP really noisy?

[stiltman]

I don't know which one is cheaper. All printers are expensive unless you refill.
HP has a center loading Tray, and I like it better than Epson's
Not to noisy

[jman98]

I find cobra jet's comments odd as my number one complain about all the HP printers I have ever owned is that they can print very little before needing to replace the cartridges. I feel that my Canon printer is significantly better in this regard and I don't have to replace ink cartridges as often as I did with HP.

You can buy HP printers that can print to discs (HP apparently was willing to pay off Epson to license their bogus patent), but since I have not owned such an HP printer, I can't comment on how well it does.

[stiltman]

I find it just the opposite in my case.
I have a HP 882c and it only prints a couple of pages a years. It's hooked up to my wifes computer. I run a cleaning job on it about every 3 months or when I remember to It's been on the same carts for about 2 years now. My Epson's would have been empty by now. My HP 5360 pretty much only prints DVDs, and I printed about 100 on the OEM carts, Now I've had the replacemts in for at least 100 now, and they show 1/2 full still. Again my Epson's would have been empty by now.

I have a HP all-in-one at work, and it sucks the ink down like crazy though. Seems like I replace the carts after every 100 sheets of paper. Regardless of what I've printed.

[cobra jet]

I can’t seem to find either the HP D5360 or the D5460 at any of my local office supply stores. I am able to find a D7560. Does anybody know what is any differences there are between the three models?

Also they don’t seem to stock the Canon IP4500.
I can find all models on line but I was hoping to check out in person.
Thanks

[on30trainman]

The ip4500 has been replaced with the ip4600. Uses a different ink cartridge set than the ip4500 and some other recent Canons. Believed to be because there are now reasonably priced chip resetters for the CLI-8 cartridges used in the ip4500. No resetter yet for the new ip4600 cartridges as far as I know. The ip4500 can be still found but not easily, especially in local stores.
I have been using an ip4000 to print DVDs for about 2 years now - was in the initial vanguard of ip users that worked on the fix - a firmware change easily done with several button pushes. The results are very good. I don't have any problems with the ip series being heavy ink users, but I also refill so it wouldn't be much of a problem anyways.

[KTH]

The Canon ip4500 is discontinued I believe, but you can still probably find some around. The replacement model uses different ink cartridges probably because someone came out with chip resetters for the ip4500's ink cartridges. As for the 3 HP models that you mentioned try going to HP's web site all 3 models are listed. By checking the box on the left side of each printer model that you want to compare you can do a side by side comparison of all 3 models. After you check off all the models that you want to compare scroll to the bottom of the screen and click on the button labeled "Compare."

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/can.do;HHOJSID=BPnXJvMKpv3G37272VTVrv3321nMFyshZHp HtWnLg729hMwpyZfc!1105354233?landing=printer&categ ory=Photosmart&catLevel=1&storeName=storefronts


http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/integration.wor...NETDF2171B002&

[INFRATOM]

You can use any good photo printer to print labels and then stick it to DVD, but it Very important that it is precisely centered ( I built a jig to center, these ready made ones are not good enough for small hole labels) and buy high gloss labels as thin as possible. If DVD player does not have a well balanced solid drive your movies will freeze that means some of them will not play right specially in portable DVD players. There is extensive thread about labels I guess every one got tired of it and turned to LS. Most people were saying printable dvd's with epson or Canon with disk tray was the best (which is not available in US only Europe) many thought Canon was a better choice and worthwhile buying from Europe.

[cobra jet]

Thanks to everyone for all the info.

Stiltman,
I think I have it narrowed down to either the HP D5360 or the D5460, even though I was not able to see either in person. Both are under $100. In looking on the HP web site it looks like the big difference is that the 5360 uses a tri color cartridge and the 5460 uses 5 individual color cartridges. Also, the 5360 states “Lets you print directly on CDs and DVDs” and clearly shows a tray to hold the disc. The 5460 states “Printing on CDs and DVDs” and does not show a disc tray.
Do you know much about the differences and am I correct about the tray?
Thanks
Mark

[slacker]

I have been an avid HP fan since the early 80s when they started pumping out well made and competitively priced desktops and accessories like NIC cards. They were actually the new kid on the block back then in that particular category. It was at this time that Epson printers ruled the roost in the dot matrix category sitting along side all those HP desktops. HP only had the relatively expensive new laser jet going for them at that time, and Data Products had their super fast 1000 lpm band printers. I"m talking corporate here.

25+ years later HP is still my computer of choice. And Epson is still my printer of choice. I strongly recommend you go to Best Buy or whatever, and kick the tires on both manufacturers, HP and Epson. Touch them, eyeball them, look at photo samples, become familiar with their ink compositions, compare their duty cycles, speeds, etc. I honesty believe if you place an Epson r series or Epson Artisan next to one of your HP models, you'll walk away with one of the Epson models. Epson printers are sexier looking, better made (material, fit and finish), use fantastic inks (newer ones) and last forever if you take care of them.

I've been doing high volume CD/DVD printing using Epson printers for four years now, and these things just keep on ticking. This month I'm picking up their Artisan 800. Wow. It does everything. Amazing.

And, of course, NEVER EVER use labels. Use only TY or Verbatim printable media.

Enjoy!

[stiltman]

Thanks to everyone for all the info.

Stiltman,
I think I have it narrowed down to either the HP D5360 or the D5460, even though I was not able to see either in person. Both are under $100. In looking on the HP web site it looks like the big difference is that the 5360 uses a tri color cartridge and the 5460 uses 5 individual color cartridges. Also, the 5360 states “Lets you print directly on CDs and DVDs” and clearly shows a tray to hold the disc. The 5460 states “Printing on CDs and DVDs” and does not show a disc tray.
Do you know much about the differences and am I correct about the tray?
Thanks
Mark

Sorry, I don't know the differences except for what you can read on HP's site. All I can say is that I'm happy with the 5360. I like how the tray loads. I was going to go with a Cannon as my replacement to Epson, except the DVD/CD tray loads close to the bottom of the printer. I don't know about anyone else, but my desk is full of papers a stuff. I would of had to leave a clean spot in front of the printer....NOT on my desk!!! I also like HP printers for the carts too. Remember I used Epson's R200 and R220 for about 2 years. The individual color carts don't mean much to me. I found you waste a ton of ink every time you change a cart. It would have been nice if Epson's printer would only prime one cart at a time but it doesn't. If you replace the cyan cart (most used in my case) Epson would prime all the carts all over again, even though you only replaced the one cyan cart. I also had tons of problems with clogged heads on the Epson. HP has the print head built into the carts, Epson has it built into the printer. When you replace the HP cart, you get a new print head. Plus you can replace the HP74 cart with the HP99 and get all the colors.

Remember over all, consumer injet printers are a scam. They cost way more per page to print than they need to be. That is why I only use mine to print to DVDs or the occasional photo. If I want to print stuff on regular paper, I use my B/W laser printer. If I want to print photos, I take the digital copies to Sams, Costco, or whoever else is running the best deal at the time. If I could of rigged my HP882c to print on DVDs, I'd be using it