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    I am looking for HDV camera. I need your help.
    Just a guide price, and some opinion.
    Under 6000$ (5000EUR) I am looking for something.
    Im curious whitch one is the smallest (Kg) model.
    You know more Sonys Panas or maybe Canon?
    Please organize & complet My list. Thanx for advance!

    0000 Canon XL-H1

    0000 Sony HRD-FX1000
    2860 Sony HVR-V1
    0000 Sony HVR-Z5
    3300 Sony HVR-Z1
    4340 Sony HVR-Z7
    4720 Sony PMW-EX1E
    5840 Sony PMW-EX3E
    2150 Sony HDR-FX1
    2020 Sony HDR-FX7

    0000 Panasonic AG-HMC152
    3800 Panasonic AG-HVX200
    4260 Panasonic AG-HVX202
    2840 Panasonic AG-HVX205
    0000 Panasonic AG-HMC150
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    don't you mean largest?
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    Originally Posted by zoobie
    don't you mean largest?
    I don't understand your question.
    Im looking for a HDV cam what is capable to work in 1080p resolution.
    Under 6000$ (5000 Euro)

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    Originally Posted by ChristianPaprika
    Im curious whitch one is the smallest (Kg) model.
    was thinking you'd want the largest...you want the lightest?

    ask edDV...he's familiar with higher end stuff

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    For PAL world, HDV format is "officially" by standard either 1440x1080i @ 25fps or 1280x720p @ 25 fps. I think JVC has a model that does 1280x720p @ 50 fps. If not you are into similar XDCAM-HD or XDCAM-EX format that does suport 1280x720p @ 50 fps.

    Canon goes ex standard with 1440x1080 24pf and 30pf in the NTSC versions. 24pf is not 24pA which is probably what you are asking for?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24p
    http://www.adamwilt.com/24p/#Introduction

    Explain your needs and project goals more clearly. Also indicate the editing software you intend to use and end display goal.
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    Also, Panasonic's HVX-200a (while NOT HDV) can do 1080p24, p24a, p30, and 1080i60.

    I agree--more info needed...

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    JVC has an HDV 1920x1080 camera, but the reviews are not great.
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    Originally Posted by Soopafresh
    JVC has an HDV 1920x1080 camera, but the reviews are not great.
    I was talking about this one (GY-HD100U) which is well reviewed but costs > $3000. It does do 1280x720p at 24 or 50/60 fps with high quality.

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    Originally Posted by ChristianPaprika
    I am looking for HDV camera. I need your help.
    Just a guide price, and some opinion.
    Under 6000$ (5000EUR) I am looking for something.
    Im curious whitch one is the smallest (Kg) model.
    You know more Sonys Panas or maybe Canon?
    Please organize & complet My list. Thanx for advance!

    0000 Canon XL-H1

    0000 Sony HRD-FX1000
    2860 Sony HVR-V1
    0000 Sony HVR-Z5
    3300 Sony HVR-Z1
    4340 Sony HVR-Z7
    4720 Sony PMW-EX1E
    5840 Sony PMW-EX3E
    2150 Sony HDR-FX1
    2020 Sony HDR-FX7

    0000 Panasonic AG-HMC152
    3800 Panasonic AG-HVX200
    4260 Panasonic AG-HVX202
    2840 Panasonic AG-HVX205
    0000 Panasonic AG-HMC150
    Sorry for missunderstanding. I am talk about HDV cameras
    what is going with 1080 resolution in 24p/25p/30p progressive.
    I guess, My list is all do.
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    Originally Posted by zoobie
    Originally Posted by ChristianPaprika
    Im curious whitch one is the smallest (Kg) model.
    was thinking you'd want the largest...you want the lightest?

    ask edDV...he's familiar with higher end stuff

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    Yes You are right I am looking for a lightest model,
    but Im intersted about all to know. 1080/24p/25p/30p ...
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    Originally Posted by ChristianPaprika
    Originally Posted by zoobie
    Originally Posted by ChristianPaprika
    Im curious whitch one is the smallest (Kg) model.
    was thinking you'd want the largest...you want the lightest?

    ask edDV...he's familiar with higher end stuff

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    Yes You are right I am looking for a lightest model,
    but Im intersted about all to know. 1080/24p/25p/30p ...
    Why are you interested in progressive? Are you prepared for the editing difficulties and the motion choppiness? Are you looking for film transfer at 24fps? It helps to know what you intend to do before narrowing the list.

    A good small HDV example is the Canon HV20/30.

    At the other extreme, the Panasonic HVX-200 isn't HDV but DVC-ProHD vith VariCam (variable frame rate) and shoots a variety of interlace and progressive formats including 24pA to P2 flashram cards or optional hard disk.

    Read this. It may help you decide. http://dvxuser.com/articles/HVX200/
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    Originally Posted by edDV
    Originally Posted by ChristianPaprika
    Originally Posted by zoobie
    Originally Posted by ChristianPaprika
    Im curious whitch one is the smallest (Kg) model.
    was thinking you'd want the largest...you want the lightest?

    ask edDV...he's familiar with higher end stuff

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    Yes You are right I am looking for a lightest model,
    but Im intersted about all to know. 1080/24p/25p/30p ...
    Why are you interested in progressive? Are you prepared for the editing difficulties and the motion choppiness? Are you looking for film transfer at 24fps? It helps to know what you intend to do before narrowing the list.

    A good small HDV example is the Canon HV20/30.

    At the other extreme, the Panasonic HVX-200 isn't HDV but DVC-ProHD vith VariCam (variable frame rate) and shoots a variety of interlace and progressive formats including 24pA to P2 flashram cards or optional hard disk.

    Read this. It may help you decide. http://dvxuser.com/articles/HVX200/

    Okay, then I tell You what I need exactly.

    - I need a high resolution of video. Because the end movie is going optimized for Full HD screens.
    - I need to make a lot of slow motion. Not really extrem slow. But for example BMX Bikes freestyle action.
    Or Braek Dancing guys action.

    Actualy I am not clear about what means progresive. But I hear from someone here, those cams
    are the best for make lot of slow motion.

    Sometimes I have to film in parties, and I am also curious to know, what cams are
    good in dark enviroment. What cam are the best in party witout head light!!
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    Originally Posted by ChristianPaprika
    Originally Posted by edDV

    Why are you interested in progressive? Are you prepared for the editing difficulties and the motion choppiness? Are you looking for film transfer at 24fps? It helps to know what you intend to do before narrowing the list.

    A good small HDV example is the Canon HV20/30.

    At the other extreme, the Panasonic HVX-200 isn't HDV but DVC-ProHD vith VariCam (variable frame rate) and shoots a variety of interlace and progressive formats including 24pA to P2 flashram cards or optional hard disk.

    Read this. It may help you decide. http://dvxuser.com/articles/HVX200/

    Okay, then I tell You what I need exactly.

    - I need a high resolution of video. Because the end movie is going optimized for Full HD screens.
    - I need to make a lot of slow motion. Not really extrem slow. But for example BMX Bikes freestyle action.
    Or Braek Dancing guys action.

    Actualy I am not clear about what means progresive. But I hear from someone here, those cams
    are the best for make lot of slow motion.

    Sometimes I have to film in parties, and I am also curious to know, what cams are
    good in dark enviroment. What cam are the best in party witout head light!!
    For fast action and slow mo capability you ideally need 1920x1080p at 50 fps. The problem is a camera with that capability is unavailable under $60,000 and then has compromise. What you need most is 50fps progressive rather than max resolution. In other words, a "sports cam". In the under $10,000 range the JVC GY-HD100U (also see newer model) will shoot 1280x720p at 50 fps and are widely used for sports. It records to HDV tape. Capture at 50fps gets a bit tricky. We can go into that later. Another choice is the Panasonic AG-HVX-200 which records 1280x960 50 fps DVC-ProHD to flashram or external hard disk. Capture is much more direct but you need a pro level edit package (e.g. AVID/Premiere/FCP/Vegas).

    Now lets talk budget before we go into more detail. Also you will need to acquire pro skills to use these cameras.

    Or are you asking for a consumer cam with least operator skill requirements? In that case, I'd recommend interlace 1440x1080i HDV and a good edit package like Vegas Pro.

    Low light capability scales roughly to sensor size and f-stop (lens light gathering power) so that means large cam with large lens vs. handycam.
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    Originally Posted by Soopafresh
    Amaizing!
    This cam is too expensive for Me. Sure is over 5000 EUR.
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    Originally Posted by edDV
    Originally Posted by ChristianPaprika
    Originally Posted by edDV

    Why are you interested in progressive? Are you prepared for the editing difficulties and the motion choppiness? Are you looking for film transfer at 24fps? It helps to know what you intend to do before narrowing the list.

    A good small HDV example is the Canon HV20/30.

    At the other extreme, the Panasonic HVX-200 isn't HDV but DVC-ProHD vith VariCam (variable frame rate) and shoots a variety of interlace and progressive formats including 24pA to P2 flashram cards or optional hard disk.

    Read this. It may help you decide. http://dvxuser.com/articles/HVX200/

    Okay, then I tell You what I need exactly.

    - I need a high resolution of video. Because the end movie is going optimized for Full HD screens.
    - I need to make a lot of slow motion. Not really extrem slow. But for example BMX Bikes freestyle action.
    Or Braek Dancing guys action.

    Actualy I am not clear about what means progresive. But I hear from someone here, those cams
    are the best for make lot of slow motion.

    Sometimes I have to film in parties, and I am also curious to know, what cams are
    good in dark enviroment. What cam are the best in party witout head light!!
    For fast action and slow mo capability you ideally need 1920x1080p at 50 fps. The problem is a camera with that capability is unavailable under $60,000 and then has compromise. What you need most is 50fps progressive rather than max resolution. In other words, a "sports cam". In the under $10,000 range the JVC GY-HD100U (also see newer model) will shoot 1280x720p at 50 fps and are widely used for sports. It records to HDV tape. Capture at 50fps gets a bit tricky. We can go into that later. Another choice is the Panasonic AG-HVX-200 which records 1280x960 50 fps DVC-ProHD to flashram or external hard disk. Capture is much more direct but you need a pro level edit package (e.g. AVID/Premiere/FCP/Vegas).

    Now lets talk budget before we go into more detail. Also you will need to acquire pro skills to use these cameras.

    Or are you asking for a consumer cam with least operator skill requirements? In that case, I'd recommend interlace 1440x1080i HDV and a good edit package like Vegas Pro.

    Low light capability scales roughly to sensor size and f-stop (lens light gathering power) so that means large cam with large lens vs. handycam.

    I am not looking for high-ed kind of cameras.
    I need something somewhere the consumer & professional level.
    I like to have full control. I see know, I can not get that really fast
    50fps cameras, that category are too expensive for Me.
    Please look at My list, that kind of level I think about it.
    (Sony V1, Z1......)

    What You think about those?
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    HVX200A (notice the "A" at the end of the name)

    Night footage

    http://www.vimeo.com/1453606

    Slow motion

    http://www.vimeo.com/1271306
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    Originally Posted by ChristianPaprika

    I am not looking for high-ed kind of cameras.
    I need something somewhere the consumer & professional level.
    I like to have full control. I see know, I can not get that really fast
    50fps cameras, that category are too expensive for Me.
    Please look at My list, that kind of level I think about it.
    (Sony V1, Z1......)

    What You think about those?
    You listed the HVX200 so I took that to mean it was in your budget.

    So now we are into interlace HDV 1440x1080i @ 25 frames per second (50 fields per second). 50 fields per second cameras allow similar motion resolution to 50p but with less image data to compute stop and slow motion. Still they are widely used for sports.

    We shall progress down the ladder from ~5000 Euro. The larger more expensive cams generally have better optical and low light capability plus extensive manual controls. A major advantage is low Z pro audio interface and multiple channel audio recording.

    The Sony HDR-FX1/Z1U were the first HDV cams dating back to around 2004. I've used these cams often and like them but the technology has moved on. You can read extensive reviews on all these camcorders online. The Sony HDR-V1U is the more recent version but some consider it a bit "dumbed down". Read the reviews.

    I'd rather go with the Canon XH-A1/XH-G1 in this range. It's a fresh new design. The G1 has pro SDI I/O. I'd avoid the XL-H1 unless you are shooting movie style. The XL series are cumbersome and a pain to hand hold.

    Below that I think you should just drop down to the Canon HV20/HV30 in the $1000 range. It is a great design at that price point. The models inbetween don't offer much advantage. Better to just get the XH-A1 since its price has dropped a bit.

    Now it is your turn to read the reviews and come back with more detailed questions. Regardless of what you buy, price in a higher end computer than the one listed in your profile. Ideally think quad core Intel.

    You might want to read these articles plus others at this website for background. They do extensive tests for low light capability.
    http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-XH-A1-XH-G1-XL-H1-Panasonic-AG-HVX200-Sony-...-Compared.htm#
    http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-XH-A1-Camcorder-Review.htm
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    [quote="edDV"]
    Originally Posted by ChristianPaprika

    Now it is your turn to read the reviews and come back with more detailed questions.
    Regardless of what you buy, price in a higher end computer than the one listed in your profile.
    Ideally think quad core Intel.
    Oh sorry, it was some mistake, who is ano sign-up here in the forum.
    I have little bit better system. But is in My home. I will have in the next
    year Mac Pro, I hope is help..
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