"120 Mins + Video On 1 CDR - The Prove It Campaign"

[bbb]

vhelp,

What's the link again?

I like your previous 352x480 clips from your Satellite captures.

For your next encoding, maybe you can capture and encode J Lo's I'm Real music video in 352x480 resolution.

[vhelp]

bbb,

I'm not sure what this clip is.


Where am I suppose to get this
"J Lo's, I'm Real" music clip from?

* channel, time, etc. ? ? ?

I'll try it out for ya. But, i can't garantee quality 100%, but
will say it will look good (VHS) I hope!!

I'll do
* VCD
* xSVCD

But you have ta let me know when it's on, etc.

I'd also like to point out that if you have any clips you did, and
want to compare them against mine (and thats ok) i'm open to suggestions to other clips I
can:
* capture and,
* encode to VCD/xSVCD for your dysecting

But, this is no challenge, just a favor, and for you to see where I
am in the VCD/SVCD scene!

-vhelp

[bbb]

J Lo = Jennifer Lopez

I don't know when it is shown on MTV or VH1. Just keep an eye out for it. I'm sure you will be very popular if you should encode her video.

[vhelp]

bbb,

yes, i'll keep an eye out for her. But, i'm recording the
"Salt Lake olympics 2002" to S-VHS (not everything, but
only what I'm interested in, for later on capturing, etc.

Maybe, in between commercials I'll flip channels.
-vhelp

.
.
.
On another note, I've ben having a HELL of a time with
encoding SVCD's w/ interlace!!
I just don't get it. I hear so much about how MPEG-2
supporting it, but whenever I capture something (anything)
and encode it to SVCD, 352x480 or 480x480, and NOT using
a DE-interlace on it, video jumps around like crazy. I've
said many, many times, that you ABSOLUTELY MUST de-interlace
your clips if you're using x480. I've ben bounding around
to a number of websites on the "interlacing" issues.
But no mater how you slice it, any encodes to SVCD MUST be
de-interlaced!! period!!
Also, you can't do a TELECINE on it (at least for captures)
I haven't tried it on DVD sources though - not at that point!
Making VCDs R MUCH better and less headackes! even at low
bitrates, the ones I do are pretty good. I just load my
great working template and off I go

[bbb]

vhelp,

For SVCD deinterlace, I used to use blend ("double" in the newer tmpgencs) and it works great.

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BLEND DEINTERLACE:
But first make sure your field order is correct by selecting one field order (any one will do), go to deinterlace to select odd/even field, and push the forward arrow in the deinterlacing window.

If the video jumps forward and back, go out the settings and switch the field order to the other one. Then go back into the deinterlacing settings, select odd/even field again, and move forward again, it should be smooth.

Now, in the deinterlacing window, select blend (double) as the final deinterlacing setting.
(after a few times of practice, this process will take less than 1 minute)

or ...

IVTC DEINTERLACE (reduces frames ~20% allowing for more minutes per disc) :
You can inverse telecine to 24 fps with remove horizontal stripes (it takes a while so go buy some groceries). Inverse telecine works well on most sources. Sometimes it desynchronizes the sound with high quality wierd framerate divx and quicktime file encodes. But, it works well on NTSC progressive and interlace, 23.97 and 29.97, dvd encodes.
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Using both methods of deinterlace, I never get jumpy videos with my VCDs/SVCDs/xSVCDs. Also, I always encode with progressive, whether I encode with 23.97 (and 3:2 pulldown) or 29.97 fps because encoding with interlace, the resulting video looks really bad on a monitor and I want my movies to look good on TV and on Computers.

If IVTC gives you a problems, try the blend (double) deinterlace and encode into 29.97 fps progressive. It works everytime.

[vhelp]

bbb,

thanks for YOUR response!

Actually, i've already done all that you mentioned. I've known
about these methods for a while. But, I was trying out something
a little different - with telecine and inverse 32, combo etc.

But the final results (though played perfect on my PC) did not
play well at all on my dvd player.

I've tried asking various questions here and there over time,
but it seems that NO-one has the answer(s) OR, NO-ONE wants to
share there knowledge further. And, that's ok. Really. I'll
figure it out, (the quality, and blocks'less issues) And, if
I should find it, i'll keep it to myself also. You have to
find the answers by yourself these days. Oh well.

Oh, I'm not interested in that IVTC app thing either. But, the
20% of frames sounds like 32pulldns or inv32pdns, etc. I've
had same problems with whatever method(s) They are all basically
the same (or operate at the same principle)

Q: do you capture, and from what source or sources??
Q: rip??
Q: dvd player(s) brands

-vhelp

PS: i did some searching on my old CD's. I found a lot of DC10+
sample clips I did. he, he... star trek, commercials, etc.
After looking at them, they don't compare to my, todays encodes.
They look kind of blurry to me. My curent encodes are pretty
sharp for xSVCD's.

[bilbogod]

O.k. just got back from my trip. It's good to read all the posts One of the most interesting things to come out of these debates is the notion of "acceptable quality". I'm sure that most of us find our standards increasing the more and more encodes that we do. This is obviously fun and extremely pleasing after having messed around for weeks with various settings. But for the purposes of this thread I only have one criteria. Would your methods fool your next door neighbour/ Joe Average into thinking that he/she was watching a regular video?? If the answer is yes, then in my mind that is a result. I never view vcds on my home p.c. and my t.v. is 19inches. I guess those that are viewing on 38inch sets are going to have a different ideas about what looks acceptable.

[sean madison]

ok check this out-

Lets get this topic ACTUALLY started instead of just sayin what will and will not work and what is and is not possible.
Seeing is always believing so lets get started.

This was posted at 11 am EST, i will be home at 2 pm EST.

At this time, i will dvd-rip a 20 sec clip straight to d2v. the vob i will try to get it no larger than 20 mb.
Anyways, anyone who wishes to participate in this can IM me or bilbogod on AIM- bilbogod or ShiZZZoN

I will send the d2v and vob file to you(audio is not needed for this test)

Now, let me give u some FACTS and these facts are rules, the deadlines to the tests where the file has its limits.

2 hr movie(120 min; 7200 sec)
Now, here is a formula that i have made that cant get any easier than this-
Tv=C-TA
T= time of video(use 7200 sec)
v is vid bitrate, what u are looking for.
C- max cd size(in kb, use 813056 794 mb, max before overburn)
A- audio bitrate(use kn not kbits-- 128 = 16 and so on)

So we get 778 kb\sec if u use cbr to fit a 2 movie on the dot onto 1 80 min cd.

Now, i always use 128 kbit audio too.
File sizes depend on ur audio bitrate as well. that 778 is using 128 audio so u might want to do that too.

Now, saying that, u will not be encoding audio so the file size for these tests will need to add an additional- 960 KB
The test clip will be 1 min

File size of mpg after encoding can NOT exceed this file size or it does not count- 6.2 mb
Note, this is just a vid only test, no audio.
The mpg cannot exceed- 6.4 mb
Barrier for cbr at 778 for 1 minute no audio is- 5.625 mb You have an 800 kb advantage.
Good luck, i will be making mine in 480x480.
Any res is fine and good luck