PAL help (GUI for Muxman/dvdauthor)

[michcio]

hi!

I have just one more question about GUI for Muxman...if I am creating a project in PAL settings does my .avi movie have to be in PAL or can it have for example a NTSC framerates...I know that it's quite difficult to convert from NTSC to PAL but then if my video is'n either in PAL or NTSC and in another weird framerate is it then also so difficult to convert from my "weird" framerate to PAL?!?!

please write down which framerates is best (easiest to convert from .avi to .m2v without any errors) while converting a .avi to PAL (.m2v)

all help really appreciated

cheers

michcio

[AlanHK]

Use GSpot, AviCodec, etc, to give info about the file.
I think better if you explain what your "weird" framerare is and then maybe it's easier to work out which is the best way to go.

[manono]

if I am creating a project in PAL settings does my .avi movie have to be in PAL or can it have for example a NTSC framerates

It can have any framerate you like. It's only the PAL DVD that has to be 25fps.

is it then also so difficult to convert from my "weird" framerate to PAL?!?!

Not if you know what you're doing.

[michcio]

thanks for your response

Use GSpot, AviCodec, etc, to give info about the file.
I think better if you explain what your "weird" framerare is and then maybe it's easier to work out which is the best way to go.

ok here's some information about my video/audio from G-spot:

Codec: XVID 
Name: XviD Dev ver. 11-Jun-03
Audio Codec: 0x0055 MPEG-1 Layer 3
Info: 48000Hz  115 kb/s tot , Joint Stereo 
Pics/s = 23.976
Frame/s = 23.976 :(
pic ( w x ): 624 x 464

PAL DVD that has to be 25fps.

you mean all my menus on the DVD?

Not if you know what you're doing.

well I will encode my .avi with thoes settings (G-spot) to a working .m2v file

ragards

michcio

[manono]

What's so unusual about 23.976fps? It's the most common AVI resolution when the source is an NTSC DVD.

you mean all my menus on the DVD?

Eh? Everything on a PAL DVD is 25fps; menus, movie, extras, everything.

Did you say how you're creating this PAL DVD? There are 2 basic ways to do it with a 23.976fps source. One is to resize to PAL resolution, speed up the video and the audio to 25fps, and encode like that. The other is to resize to PAL resolution, encode the video at 23.976fps, keep the audio the same length, and when done run the MPV/M2V through DGPulldown set for 23.976->25.

[AlanHK]

ok here's some information about my video/audio from G-spot:
.....
Frame/s = 23.976

That's standard NTSC.

Encode to M2V: resize to 720x480, with pulldown to make the framerate 29.997.

Do you REALLY HAVE to make it PAL?
Most PAL TVs and DVD players seem to play NTSC video without any problem.
Give it a try.

[tomlee59]

It's hard to find a PAL DVD player that does not support NTSC, so you should definitely look into this possibility before you do a lot of work for no particular reason.

Good luck!

[michcio]

It's hard to find a PAL DVD player that does not support NTSC, so you should definitely look into this possibility before you do a lot of work for no particular reason.

Good luck!

That's standard NTSC.

Encode to M2V: resize to 720x480, with pulldown to make the framerate 29.997.

Do you REALLY HAVE to make it PAL?
Most PAL TVs and DVD players seem to play NTSC video without any problem.
Give it a try.

yeah of course I will give it a try and make a NTSC DVD instead...I think my DVD-player (found it in a garbage hahaha and it works just fine!! ) plays NTSC...I think I have seen the NTSC option somewhere...otherwise I'll try to change my DVD to PAL ...

and then do how manono or AlanHK say...but while creating a NTSC how do I create a .m2v in NTSC format? SRY have always done it in PAL...I use FitCD to create a .avs file to later open it in HCEnc and encode my .avs to .m2v ...I do always select a PAL radio button in FitCD...shall I just unselect it and all should work fine? :O or do I have to do more changes?!

thankfull for ALL answers!

michcio

[michcio]

yay! ok it works with NTSC on my TV!!! ...thank you guys you have saved like 1 day of my life of converting from NTSC to PAL :P

THANK YOU ALL

michcio

[tomlee59]

Glad to hear that it worked. My motto is "do nothing, and hope for the best." Sometimes, that strategy succeeds, despite itself.

[michcio]

haha yeah cool motto man!!!

[AlanHK]

and then do how manono or AlanHK say...but while creating a NTSC how do I create a .m2v in NTSC format? SRY have always done it in PAL...I use FitCD to create a .avs file to later open it in HCEnc and encode my .avs to .m2v ...I do always select a PAL radio button in FitCD...shall I just unselect it and all should work fine? :O or do I have to do more changes?!

In FitCD, look at the "destination" size.
Three boxes. For PAL probably : 720 X 560 "DVD 720"
For NTSC, it will probably change automatically to 720 X 480 "DVD 720"
If not, click on the little triangle to the right of the second number, it should make that jump to the correct size.

In HCEnc, click on the button "make DVD compliant". That should activate the "3:2 pulldown" checkbox, which will convert the framerate from 23.976 to 29.997 while encoding the MPEG.

[michcio]

thanks for more help AlanHK!

In FitCD, look at the "destination" size.
Three boxes. For PAL probably : 720 X 560 "DVD 720"
For NTSC, it will probably change automatically to 720 X 480 "DVD 720"
If not, click on the little triangle to the right of the second number, it should make that jump to the correct size.

yeah it does jump to 720x480 (from 720 x 576 :O not 560) when I don't select the PAL button

In HCEnc, click on the button "make DVD compliant". That should activate the "3:2 pulldown" checkbox, which will convert the framerate from 23.976 to 29.997 while encoding the MPEG.

ah nice ... always when I opened my .avs file in HCEnc there was written in the info window: "use pulldown for DVD
compliancy" and when I clicked on the "make DVD compilant" button there was written: possible non-DVD compilant fixed...so you say that I do change my FPS by using this setting from 23.976 to 29.997 :O why 29.997. If I know have a subtitle to my video file do I have to change the framerate from 23.976 to 29.997? I have synced my subs with my .avis FPS

cheers and thanks!

michcio

[manono]

When applying pulldown the video's length stays the same. The same audio can be used (or made DVD compliant if not already) and the same subs can be used as for the 23.976fps AVI.

[michcio]

When applying pulldown the video's length stays the same. The same audio can be used (or made DVD compliant if not already) and the same subs can be used as for the 23.976fps AVI.

thanks manono great then I don't have to change anything

michcio

[AlanHK]

yeah it does jump to 720x480 (from 720 x 576 :O not 560) when I don't select the PAL button

Sorry, yes 720x576; dumb typo.

ah nice ... always when I opened my .avs file in HCEnc there was written in the info window: "use pulldown for DVD
compliancy" and when I clicked on the "make DVD compilant" button there was written: possible non-DVD compilant fixed...so you say that I do change my FPS by using this setting from 23.976 to 29.997 :O why 29.997. If I know have a subtitle to my video file do I have to change the framerate from 23.976 to 29.997? I have synced my subs with my .avis FPS

29.997 is NTSC (for TV). 23.976 is NTSC film (based on the 24 fps celluloid film speed).

Pulldown tells the player to repeat certain frames to increase the number of frames displayed, without having to store actual duplicate frames.

If the subs are in a format that uses time, (eg, SRT) they should be fine. However, if they're in a format that uses frames (eg MicroDVD) you may need to convert them.

Easy enough with something like Subtitle Workshop if necessary.
Look in the file with a text editor and it should be obvious which format is being used.

[michcio]

ok so I have done a NTSC project but when I open my video file I get my subtitles UNDER the frame of the window.. why is that please help? have I done something wrong while converting something or shall I just raise my subs ???

cheers

michcio