HDV Help, frustrating

[mute-]

Ok so i just got a new camera, a canon hv20. Heres my problem. I record in 60i on the camera. What i cant figure out is how to get fluid, crisp high motion video.

Heres a test video i did. Shot in 60i hdv , 1/60 shutter.
http://www.vimeo.com/1445997

Notice when you focus on the skater it kind of hurts your eyes, like its blurring or something.

And notice on this persons video, its crisp and clear, same camera.
http://treskate.com/aug.25.07_qt_high.html

Ive tried a bunch of settings adn a couple different Encoding applications. Im just about out of ideas

[redwudz]

Does your original video look the same when you play it back on your own system? It's a bit hard to tell much from your test video. The other referenced video is using Quicktime for display. Neither one would be the same as the original DV from the camcorder. So I'm wondering is this a display problem with your uploaded video quality or a problem with your original video quality?

If the original has the same problem, maybe a camera setting.

But others with more DV experience may be able to give better information.

And welcome to our forums.

[mute-]

Yea, but do you see what im seeing? And no its not the video upload problem. Ive went into more detail here. http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=14510

[edDV]

The mov looks like a blend deinterlace. Yours looks like you tossed half the fields or maybe a field reverse. This player is hard to control. Can you post the m2t file?

[mute-]

Sure, here is the raw file edDV, http://hv20.info/yopu/fakie.slide.60i.Tvmode.250s.mpeg

[2Bdecided]

Answered at hv20.com.

Cheers,
David.

[Soopafresh]

Looks better Bob Deinterlaced

skater_59.94fps.avi

There's too much movement information lost with regular deinterlacing

skater_29.97fps.avi

[SCDVD]

One thing to be careful with is the field order of interlaced HDV is normally top field first. Standard SD DV is usually bottom field first. Depending on your work flow, if you get the field order reversed, then you will have problems with everything after that.

I don't know if this has anything to do with the problem that you are having but it's good to keep an eye on this. I don't know why the "Gods" of video decided to change the field order with HD but it does add another thing to be careful with.

[2Bdecided]

I don't know if this has anything to do with the problem that you are having but it's good to keep an eye on this. I don't know why the "Gods" of video decided to change the field order with HD but it does add another thing to be careful with.

It's DV that's "wrong" in this respect. SDI, for example, is TFF only.

Cheers,
David.

[SCDVD]

There is a type of personality that I call a contrarion that just has to do everything differently for one reason or another just to be a jerk. I suppose in their tiny little brains they think it's a good way to get noticed or something. Bottom field, top field; neither is right or wrong; it just doesn't matter. But for HD to come along after a uniform "standard" was established with SD and then have some audacious prick decide that "His Majesty" is going to make it "right" with HD is just being a jerk. I call that "recreational equivocation." There does not exist even one good reason for that. It's a bit like the State Of Pennsylvania deciding on its own that the "right" side of the street to drive on is on the left because William Penn used to ride his horse on the left and change sides in Pennsylvania all on their own because William Penn was "right."

As for SDI (Serial Digital Interface), which is used to move video data around in a TV studio for example, that is a "local" way to move video without loss. The protocol of this local type of video transmission is quite apart from SD and HDV video in common use.

[2Bdecided]

...but it's because SDI is TFF-only that most DVDs are TFF, most SD broadcasts are TFF, etc etc - since SDI effectively prevents you from using BFF video in a professional environment. In fact, any BFF video is shifted down by one line to make it TFF!

Don't forget too that the majority of the world (in terms of population) uses/used TFF analogue video.

DV is the anomoly - and forcing the PAL countries to use a BFF digital format with their TFF analogue format is quite perverse (though thankfully it doesn't matter much for home use).

HDV puts things back where they should be.

Given that any DV<>HDV conversion involes deinterlacing, you have to re-create the fields, and their order, during any conversion. There is nothing to "preserve" between the two, and swapping or not swapping field order is equally easy. Having all 1080i images TFF is really nice and easy - better than the mess with SD!

It's only badly written software that lets you break either HDV or DV format by using the wrong field order. It's only because other SD formats, other than DV, could be a different field order, that this "functionality" to manually set the field order exists - at least in HD, this issue has been fixed once and for all.

Cheers,
David.