30FPS PAL DVD to XVID Avi

[andy_blah]

I`ve tried some programs to compress my DVD to avi, but unfortunately none satisfied my need. The DVD is from the PAL region just that it has 30FPS and the video looks best in that mode. All the programs that I have tried detected it as a PAL DVD and limited the frame rate to 25 which decreases the video`s quality. Is there any solution for my problem (it can be either free (preferred) or non-free software)?

[guns1inger]

PAL DVD is 25 fps. Period. You cannot have a PAL DVD at 30 fps.

There have been several releases to what are considered PAL regions (4,2) that are in fact NTSC (23.976 or 29.970 fps). Perhaps you have one of those.

Start by first identifying what you really have. Use the latest G-Spot or MediaInfo to see what is inside the VOB files on the DVD. If you don't have VOB files, what do you have ?

You should also list the software you have tried, so we don't suggest something that has already failed you, or perhaps offer you suggestions on how to better configure said software.

Finally, automated tools are designed to make the process simple when doing generic tasks. However as soon as something abnormal occurs (PAL resolution with non-PAL framerates, for example), they tend to be unable to cope. Thankfully there are always manual methods to try to deal with these situations.

As always though, the more information you give us, the better able we are to help you.

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[FulciLives]

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Most likely the DVD is 29.970fps NTSC

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[andy_blah]

This is what GSpot says:


And this is what MediaInfo says:

General
Complete name                    : E:\VTS_01_1.VOB
Format                           : MPEG-PS
File size                        : 1024 MiB
Duration                         : 26mn 38s
Overall bit rate                 : 5375 Kbps

Video
Format                           : MPEG Video
Format version                   : Version 2
Format profile                   : Main@Main
Format settings, Matrix          : Standard
Duration                         : 26mn 37s
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 4810 Kbps
Nominal bit rate                 : 8000 Kbps
Width                            : 720 pixels
Height                           : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 4/3
Frame rate                       : 25.000 fps
Standard                         : PAL
Colorimetry                      : 4:2:0
Scan type                        : Interlaced
Scan order                       : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.772

Audio
Format                           : AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Duration                         : 26mn 38s
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 192 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 1 channel
Channel positions                : C
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz

Menu
Format                           : DVD-Video

Still I can assure you that it has a bigger frame rate than 25!

The programs that I used are:

DVDx
Magic DVD Ripper
Alldj DVD To AVI Converter

And I cannot remember the rest, sorry.

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[guns1inger]

Definitely a PAL DVD, and definitely 25 fps.

Try using AutoGk for oyur conversion. It works very well, and has never given me grief.

[manono]

Still I can assure you that it has a bigger frame rate than 25!

Wanna bet?

[jagabo]

Your DVD is 25 frames per second. But it's interlaced so it has 50 fields per second. If it is from a video source (camcorder, some TV shows) it may indeed have 50 different (half) pictures per second which would make it look much smoother than film.

You can produce a 50 frame per second AVI by performing a BOB deinterlace.

[andy_blah]

Yes, that`s what the diagnosis of the video is showing and I`ve tried that BOB deinterlace in VLC Media Player and that`s what it made me think that it has more than 25FPS (due the lack of video knowledge). Yes, the DVD is with Benny Hill, a UK sketch TV-show that was filmed 1955 (on BBC) and from 1969 to 1989(Thames Television). Then how should I do that Bob deinterlace when I rip the DVD to avi?

[jagabo]

AviSynth has a simple BOB function. You can also get smart BOB filters that will work better. TDeint(mode=1), LeakKernelBob(), Yadif(mode=1), etc.

VirtualDub 1.8 has a simple Bob filter. And a slightly smarter Bob.

[guns1inger]

I would again suggest AutoGK. It does a very good job at correctly interpreting the video, deinterlacing if necessary, and encoding to Xvid/Divx.

[andy_blah]

I did that after you suggested me to use it the first time, but I didn`t see anywhere a deinterlace option. Plus that it took half a day to do the job for 2 chapters of the DVD!

[guns1inger]

It deinterlaces if it needs to - no user intervention required.

You will never get fast encoding speed with your machine. Low memory, low HDD space, and a slower, Celeron CPU all add up to slow encoding.

[manono]

...but I didn`t see anywhere a deinterlace option

It doesn't give you a chance to mess it up. It has an automatic analysis that has a look and does what has to be done. Half a day sounds like a lot, I guess, so you might try a 1-pass Target Quality encode at the default 75%, which will save quite a bit of time, but won't give you a specified file size. You can specify the width, if you like, in the Advanced Settings.

Did you not allow it to complete? Do you still have the log file for that encode? If so, can you post it? If it completed, did the deinterlaced video look OK to you?

[andy_blah]

It deinterlaces if it needs to - no user intervention required.

You will never get fast encoding speed with your machine. Low memory, low HDD space, and a slower, Celeron CPU all add up to slow encoding.

I know that, but still it is slower than the other programs that are for ripping/converting

It doesn't give you a chance to mess it up. It has an automatic analysis that has a look and does what has to be done. Half a day sounds like a lot, I guess, so you might try a 1-pass Target Quality encode at the default 75%, which will save quite a bit of time, but won't give you a specified file size. You can specify the width, if you like, in the Advanced Settings.

Did you not allow it to complete? Do you still have the log file for that encode? If so, can you post it? If it completed, did the deinterlaced video look OK to you?

I left it to finish the job and the result was the same with the programs I tried before, anyway, nevermind about AutoGK, jagabo has helped me further over PM how to use VirtualDub to open VOB files/how to use those AviSynth scripts and now I`m fine, the video is ripped as I wished. Thank-you all for your help and especially to you jagabo!