Want to put WAV. Audio on DVD. Why not?

[happydog500]

I have a Convention I recorded. I have two versions, one in Mp3, the other WAVs. I want to share it with someone, but they can't play mp3s.

To record it on CD's is going to take around 10 CD's! I wanted to put the WAV. Files on DVD's (she could play in her DVD player and listen to it on TV). but can't see how/if Nero can do it.

Is there a way to do this? If not, why not? Seems like this would be something people would need to do, have more audio then what a CD will hold.

Thank you,
Chris.

[SLK001]

Is there a way to do this? If not, why not? Seems like this would be something people would need to do, have more audio then what a CD will hold.

A DVD with no video? No.

Why not? It violates the standard.

Can't play MP3? Doesn't this person have a computer? WMP plays MP3 like a champ.

No computer? Tell her to go buy an iPod if she wants to listen to your recording.

[SLK001]

Seems like this would be something people would need to do, have more audio then what a CD will hold.

That's why iPods were invented.

Also, it sounds like you have 7 GBytes of audio on CDs. This would take two single layer DVDs (as DVD-ROM) to hold all the audio - playable only on a computer.

[manono]

He could make a single 720x480 BMP picture and then author it together with the WAV audio. Muxman would do it easily. If, like you said, the audio is greater than 4.37GB in size, he'll have to split the audio first. Or maybe convert it to AC3 audio.

[SLK001]

He will also have to upsample the bitrate to DVD standards, or 48kBPS, if he keeps the .WAV format. This will increase the size by ~ 12%.

I agree that .AC3 is the way to go. But then, .MP3 is the better way to go.

[Cornucopia]

SLK001, that's 48kHz, not 48kbps. And that's 8 1/4 % difference increase.

10AudioCds' worth... that ought to be around 800 min.

At 48kHz, 16bit, LPCM, stereo--the bitrate would be 1500kbps.
Add a still picture to mux, it would probably be ~1550kbps

800 min. would = ~ 8.69GB too big for SL or DL DVD. Pretty close for 2 SLs though.

If you used mono signal--the bitrate would be 750kbps. With still picture ~800kbps.

800 min. would = ~4.39GB, just barely too big for SL, but fine for DL.

Or go with AC3 2.0/stereo at say 256kbps, muxed w/still picture would be ~300kbps.

800 min. would = ~1.71GB, fine for even SL disc.

And on settop, AC3 is the best choice for compatibility anyway. (Could even do AC3 1.0/mono...)

Scott

[manono]

He will also have to upsample the bitrate to DVD standards, or 48kBPS, if he keeps the .WAV format. This will increase the size by ~ 12%.

Yes, assuming that what he captured is 44,100Hz then it'll have to be upsampled, same if reencoding to AC3 audio. Thanks for the reminder.

[SLK001]

SLK001, that's 48kHz, not 48kbps. And that's 8 1/4 % difference increase.

Actually, its 48,000 samples per second. And yes, I overestimated the % difference - a result of quick typing and slow thinking!

I assumed that since it was on a CD (as CD Audio) then it had to be 44.1 SPS audio.

[KBeee]

44.1khz @ 256kbps*1 hour would be the same size as 48khz @ 256kbps*1 hour i.e. no increase at all
But the OP needs to tell everyone how long the recording really is, cos I can't imagine anyone wanting to listen to 10+ hours of convention speeches

[Midzuki]

44.1khz @ 256kbps*1 hour would be the same size as 48khz @ 256kbps*1 hour i.e. no increase at all
But the OP needs to tell everyone how long the recording really is, cos I can't imagine anyone wanting to listen to 10+ hours of convention speeches

Fidel Castro does that regularly.
Certain old-cons and some neo-cons also love to pay attention to endless monologues.

[zoobie]

some guy stuck 1400 mp3 songs on a dual layer DVD...

[SLK001]

44.1khz @ 256kbps*1 hour would be the same size as 48khz @ 256kbps*1 hour i.e. no increase at all
But the OP needs to tell everyone how long the recording really is, cos I can't imagine anyone wanting to listen to 10+ hours of convention speeches

No, it's not either one. We are not talking about "kHz" (my use of kHz was an error). Since we're talking about LPCM, or .WAV audio, there are two standards that have to be met. 44.1kSPS (Samples Per Second) for an audio CD, or 48kSPS for a DVD. For a DVD, the play rate is 1,536kbps - comprising a bitstream of 48,000 16 bit stereo samples a second (or 48,000 x 16 x 2 = 1,536,000).

He did tell us approximately how long the recording is - 10 CDs worth. That's 10 x 80 minutes, or 800 minutes of awe inspiring oratory. Or, it's also 10 x 700MByte, or 7BGyte of "really good stuff"! Whether you can imagine anyone wanting to listen to something this long is irrelevant to his question (it would have to be some "pretty good stuff" to keep my interest for that long). It's just his problem that he is trying to solve.

[happydog500]

It's 128kbs, 16 bit, 8KHz, Mono. 27 different files. They don't all fit perfect, so some I have to leave blank at the end.

If two talks are 45 minutes long, they don't both fit on one CD. that will leave a big space at the end. I need to keep the order. Another one I can fit a couple shorter ones, then another is 45 minutes long and I have 30 minutes left on the disc.

The total number of data does not equal the total amount of what will fit perfect on a disc.

Chris.

[SLK001]

It's 128kbs, 16 bit, 8KHz, Mono. 27 different files. They don't all fit perfect, so some I have to leave blank at the end.

There are standards, you know. Your audio format doesn't meet any. That means you'll have to record these as data, playable only on a computer.

And, 45 minutes at 128kbps is 45 x 60 x 128,000 / 8, or 43.2MB. So, you should be able to put about sixteen 45 minute sessions on a CD.

Trust me, it'll be much easier to just go out and buy a MP3 player for this person, load it with the conference audio and present it as a gift.

[John]

I was under the impresion that all dvd players could play mp3 files, i have lots of dvds with mp3 and wma files, both on cd and dvd, just create a data dvd, and stick them on it. no need to make things complicated.

[happydog500]

Fyi, she tried to play mp3's before but her DVD Player doesn't play them.

"And, 45 minutes at 128kbps is 45 x 60 x 128,000 / 8, or 43.2MB. So, you should be able to put about sixteen 45 minute sessions on a CD."

Since her DVD Player didn't play Mp3's, this is the reason I was asking about WAV. Files. You can not put "sixteen 45 minute sessions on a CD."

I told her yesterday that if she wants them in non mp3, she can get it somewhere else. I have them, but I'm not going to do it.

Thanks for the reply's,

Chris.

[MOVIEGEEK]

I was under the impresion that all dvd players could play mp3 files, i have lots of dvds with mp3 and wma files, both on cd and dvd, just create a data dvd, and stick them on it. no need to make things complicated.

Most play MP3-CD but few play MP3-DVD or WMA.
My vote is for a MP3-CD because you can put all of the speechs on one CD if encoded at 96kbps,WAV is overkill for voice.
BTWVD players are cheaper than a iPod,she can buy a Philips player for $50USD that plays everything.

[SLK001]

"And, 45 minutes at 128kbps is 45 x 60 x 128,000 / 8, or 43.2MB. So, you should be able to put about sixteen 45 minute sessions on a CD."

Since her DVD Player didn't play Mp3's, this is the reason I was asking about WAV. Files. You can not put "sixteen 45 minute sessions on a CD."

Why can't you do this?

[happydog500]

The most I can get on one CD is two files. Some of the short files are 30 minutes.

[LJB]

Why not use FAVC in VCD mode to put together a dvd?
Why not use the single image idea for the video?

[filmboss80]

You are missing what people are trying to tell you. First, encode to mp3, not wav format. This is how you can get sixteen 45-minute sessions on a single CD (yes, CD, NOT DVD). Store the mp3 files as data on a CD (not Audio CD format). A vast number of DVD players will play mp3 CDs.

To encode wav to mp3, download lame.exe, along with a gui frontend like RazorLame. Burn the mp3 files on a data CD. If there is a problem playing the files on a DVD player, they will play just fine on a PC with Windows Media Player. No biggie.

[turk690]

Happydog500's friend's DVD player doesn't play MP3s. Tough.

[happydog500]

You seem to be missing what I'm telling you. My post is can I put WAV. files... You post back to turn them into Mp3. Kind of like posting, I have a truck..... Then you post back saying get a car. My question was about a truck.

Already have Lame.exe. Already tried an MP3 CD on her DVD player and it wouldn't play. Took different sources from different computers, with different software and it didn't play on her DVD Player.

The last time I tried I used Audacity to export to Mp3. It didn't play on hers.

I still thank you for posting here. Any bit of info is good. Others who read this may benefit.

Thank you,
Chris.

[filmboss80]

Does she have access to a computer? Does it have a CD drive? Does it have Windows Media Player? If "yes" to these questions, then she should be able to listen to mp3 files on a data CD.

Another issue may have to do how the mp3 CD was compiled under Nero. If it was compiled as an Audio CD, it will not work. Mp3s must be placed as data files.

If you are still determined to incorporate .wav files into an audio-only DVD, you can get this software: https://www.videohelp.com/tools/Audio_DVD_Creator. (It will cost you $40.)

[happydog500]

Not still trying to get the WAV. on a DVD. I just burned a different project for myself. I noticed when doing it, I did it, "Music - Mp3", not "Data - Mp3".
That's probable what's going on.

What's the difference between a Mp3 Music and a Mp3 data?

UPDATE: Every year (Twice a year for 4 years) I go through the same thing. It works in my DVD Player, but not in friends Player. This year, I realized I have only listened to it through my ipod. I burned it to a disc (Music Mp3), it said, "Data error." I then burned it using "Data" and it still go "Data error".

Not sure what's going on this year. I did it the same way I've done it for the last 4 years. They all work for me but this year.
Just checked it in my CD Walkman and the disc plays fine. Plays in everything I have except my DVD Player this year. I can't believe this.

[filmboss80]

Haven't used Nero in a while, so I don't know the difference between "Music-Mp3" and "Data-Mp3," unless the "Music-Mp3" mode simply adds some sort of extra playlist functions. The way I remember older Nero versions (and I could be wrong about this) was that if you used the Compile Audio CD function (as opposed to Data CD), Nero would try to convert all audio files -- mp3s and wavs alike -- to CD-compliant PCM files. I was thinking it might explain why you could only get two 30-minute files onto a single CD.

I have always archived mp3 files onto a CD data disc, so that the files would stay as they were. The mp3 data CDs were always playable on both my set-top DVD player and PC. (These were burned with ImgBurn, not Nero.) But I am well aware that not all DVD players will play mp3s, no matter how you compile them.

No matter how stored, mp3 files play easily on PCs. It seems to me that you should not have to jump through hoops, burning stacks of CDs, in order for the other person to hear the recordings. Even 1Gb personal mp3 players are dirt cheap these days.

Like my grandma said, "There's more than one way to skin a cat." Surely, a cheap and easy solution is available.

[happydog500]

Thanks for the replys. Any ideas on why the Discs won't play on my Sony DVD Player?

[John]

Never been a big fan of nero. Though did get a new burner a couple of months ago, and did have a couple of problems with a dvd disk, using nero that came with it so uninstalled it.
not playing in your dvd player may be down to nero, what about trying a free one like cdburnerxp, ive used that for a while with no issues. but id recomend just a data disk with the mp3 files on it.

[happydog500]

Have you read the reviews? Sounds like it could be a nightmare.

[filmboss80]

Have you read the reviews on ImgBurn? This is the burning software that inspired loads of us in this forum to abandon Nero. Again, try burning the mp3 files as a data disc, but this time using ImgBurn (it's free). If your Sony DVD player cannot play the disc, then check the owner's manual to make sure it plays mp3s.