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    "The One" wrote:

    I gave you practical examples.
    Wrapped in convenient "professional" biases, you should have stressed.
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  2. So the experiences and recommendations of a professional don't count?

    I'll have to take that into consideration next time I need my air conditioning fixed. I'll go to the local bar for advice.
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  3. Originally Posted by mpack
    Hmm. I have no idea what that sentence means, or how it relates to anything I said. I listed a series of Microsoft operating systems and pointed out that not all were successful. Of the entire list you only seemed to quibble with my classification of NT4, so apparantly you mostly agree. At no time did I suggest that Microsofts overall financial success depended on their OS products. So what exactly is the point you are making?
    All of the OSes listed are Windows Client. MS have a separate line of Windows - the Server. This is a much more significant market segment to MS than Client.

    Last time I read the annual financial report, Client accounted for ~20% of MS' business. Even the Office segment accounted for more. Windows Server is much, much more important. Even the embedded sector is very significant (embedded Windows is a true RT OS and used in places you wouldn't imagine).

    Re NT4 = geek, again that reveals your focus on the consumer demographic. NT4 was a very successful OS of Windows in the industrial and commercial sectors.
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    ron spencer wrote:

    but since I am not a developer.....
    "Developer, or not a developer, that is the question."

    That's irrelevant. There are developers and developers.
    Not all are decently/sufficiently qualified, not all are knowledge-hungry,
    not all are able to make truth always speak louder than sophisms.
    I (still) respect JohnnyMalaria --- at least he admits that what he
    writes or speaks may contain this or that kind of bias. But there also exist
    developers who are not better than an engineer who designs a vacuum cleaner
    that blows hot air onto the user's face. I have met people who apparently
    know everything about almost all programming languages but are also
    unable to build a "useless" standalone flip-flop without an IC ---
    --- evidently they were convinced to believe that it's not very important to know
    "how it all began".

    P.S.: JohnnyMalaria wrote:

    So the experiences and recommendations of a professional don't count?
    I had put the word professional between quotation marks.
    And quotation marks can be used to denote irony.
    But I'm pretty sure you already knew that.
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  5. Mais naturellement

    And I agree on all your points.
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    Ahhh... the mind of a Dev, coder, engineer or a Geek...

    Smart minds centered on being focused, accurate, perfectionist, organized and ever determined to produce flawless designs that are efficient and feature-filled and ever improve and ambitiously redefine the word "perfect" when it seemed like it already was established.

    Intelligent? You bet - among the best on the planet.

    But they are too smart for their own good when marketing products. This intelligence would bomb when selling products. That's what business schools at the Graduate level are all about - to dumb down these brilliant minds when it comes time to make serious business and management decisions for their organizations later in their careers.
    I hate VHS. I always did.
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  7. Originally Posted by PuzZLeR
    Ahhh... the mind of a Dev, coder, engineer or a Geek...

    Smart minds centered on being focused, accurate, perfectionist, organized and ever determined to produce flawless designs that are efficient and feature-filled and ever improve and ambitiously redefine the word "perfect" when it seemed like it already was established.

    Intelligent? You bet - among the best on the planet.

    But they are too smart for their own good when marketing products. This intelligence would bomb when selling products. That's what business schools at the Graduate level are all about - to dumb down these brilliant minds when it comes time to make serious business and management decisions for their organizations later in their careers.
    Then there are network engineers/security specialists like me on the other end of the spectrum that put the stuff to use on the practical level who can tell you that the stuff works. I am not going to give you marketing spin.

    Is it perfect? No, but nothing is. The key is to minimize the possibility of your network being attacked. If you approach the situation like your network will be attacked, you are better prepared to defend it.
    Believing yourself to be secure only takes one cracker to dispel your belief.
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    Originally Posted by JohnnyMalaria
    Even the embedded sector is very significant (embedded Windows is a true RT OS and used in places you wouldn't imagine).
    Urggh - I wouldn't want to imagine it. Most of my work is embedded. The idea of running Windows inside a washing machine or flame detector seems ridiculous to me. Also I'm not aware that any version of Windows can be considered a "true RTOS" - Windows simply can't do "real time".

    I'm aware that Microsoft has been pushing cut down versions of Windows for use in things like PDAs for a long time. AFAIK they haven't been particularly successful: embedded devices are very cost sensitive, and Windows tends towards bloat. Windows usually also needs Intel CPUs, which are pretty power hungry compared to most embedded processors. I don't think any version of Windows runs on PICs, AVR, ARM, Blackfin etc!
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  9. You are misinformed. You should Google to see if what someone has claimed is true before dismissing it.

    Windows Embedded is a true RT OS.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/embedded/products/default.mspx

    And you can change the OS source code as needed.

    It's everywhere. In the case of PDAs, you should do some research to find out just how many use it.

    Examples of real world (even mission critical) applications (ATMs, medical devices):

    http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/embedded/testimonials/devreviews/default.mspx
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