need opinions on blank media - Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden

[pattirose]

I have been using Verbatim dvd-r 8X for awhile now and have had 100% success but I can't find them anymore here. I also went thru a couple spindles of other brands learning my lesson. Yesterday I bought a 100 spindle of Verbatim dvd-r 16X and made 2 coasters. I was lucky and the store refunded my money so I wasn't stuck with 100 discs. I am burning with Roxio 9 on a HP laptop with Vista to play on my standalone dvd player.

So my question is if my standalone dvd player likes Verbatim dvd-r 8X can I also be reasonably sure that it will also like Taiyo Yuden dvd-r 8X as I found a place (online) that has 100 spindles of them (made in Japan)??

I have been to 5 stores and each clerk has given me a different answer as to what my issue is. Here are a few of the things I've been told.
buy the cheapest blank dvds - it doesn't matter
buy dvd+r
buy rewritable
use Nero
buy an external drive
laptops don't write faster than 8X
buy this brand (some cheap kind from Radio Shack) only has 15 discs to make coasters with

[FulciLives]

I prefer the Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R discs and I only ever buy them from RIMA.COM

I have had tremendous success with the Verbatim 16x DVD-R discs of the past but I thought I had read that they aren't as good as they used to be so to be "safe" I've been sticking with the aforementioned Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R discs.

As for burning I only use ImgBurn which has pretty much been proved to be the best Windows/Linux burner around.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
For the last 3+ years I've been using a Pioneer OEM that was essentially the A08/108 but just very recently I upgraded to a Pioneer 115D since the A08/108 died on me. So far I've only burned Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R discs with it and it has been working great although it has only been like two or so weeks since I've had the 115D model.

[noemi7]

Burn a disc and test it with http://www.cdspeed2000.com

Not all burners work well with TY, for example Benq 1640 which is really great burner. Quality of Verbatim very much depends where it is produced - the worst discs are from Taiwan. Anyway, Verbatim is as good as TY, imo. BTW: In fact nobody knows really how discs of both brands will perform after xx years. We need to wait...

[FulciLives]

Burn a disc and test it with http://www.cdspeed2000.com

Not all burners work well with TY, for example Benq 1640 which is really great burner. Quality of Verbatim very much depends where it is produced - the worst discs are from Taiwan. Anyway, Verbatim is as good as TY, imo. BTW: In fact nobody knows really how discs of both brands will perform after xx years. We need to wait...

See that's the confusing thing ... most DVD blanks made in Taiwan are SHIT quality but for the longest time that is where Verbatim discs were made and they were the (exceptional) exception to that rule.

Only now I hear they are popping up with MADE IN INDIA and that those aren't as good and some have said that even the current MADE IN TAIWAN discs from them may not be as good as they were (for years) prior to now.

As for Taiyo Yuden ... I say that any model/make of DVD burner that CANNOT burn well to Taiyo Yuden is junk. Period.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[vhelp]

I was browsing around the forums when I came across this discussion. So, don't mind me, I'm just
sticking my head in, here or there..

... Only now I hear they are popping up with MADE IN INDIA and that those aren't as good and some have said that ...

I'm sorry for jumping in here, but I'm curious. What exactly are you (and others) saying or
meaning by this, when they aren't "..as good.." .etc, .etc. ??

I can't say that I've ever had any problems from a "bulk" point of view. Any problems that I
might have had were maybe 1 or 2 out of a 50pk. And the only time (based on memeory) that
I can recall ever having problems were only in my DVD-Writer drives, as they seem to be the
one's that crack up. But so far, none of my dvd recorders ever showed problems with *any*
dvd -r/rw +r+rw medium, though so far, I like better the +R discs that I've been using. I don't
know what brand/serial number they are (I forgot what is the tool to read serials from discs are)
but I did get them in bulk 50pk from CC two years ago and am now using them to store all my
analog cable tv captures on them.

So, I was just curious what are these problems that people (over time) are talking about ??

-vhelp 4660

[SCDVD]

So, I was just curious what are these problems that people (over time) are talking about ??

-vhelp 4660

Being able to play the disc as well. A lot pf people talk about "good burns" as if that alone means something. The whole idea of all this "burning" is to actually be able to play it later. A lot of the sweet deal crap media in fact won't play well at all - especially more than a few days after it was burned.

[budz]

Not all burners work well with TY, for example Benq 1640 which is really great burner.

The BENQ 1640 burns TY media very well. I dunno where the heck you heard the BENQ 1640 doesn't burn TY well. I own many BENQ 1640 drives and never had any problems in burning TY media. BENQ was one of the few that had frequent updates on their firmwares to match newer media id's. BENQ IMHO made the best dvd burners in their time. Too bad they invested in too many products that they had to sell their optical drive division to LITEON.

[vhelp]

A lot of the sweet deal crap media in fact won't play well at all - especially more than a few days after it was burned.

Hay, now that is an eye opener for me. I didn't realize that aspect. I mean, I don't go testing
all my analog capture and burned to DVD's that I archive to (as data disk) I hadn't realzie that.

I wonder if that is related to authored dvd titles (mpeg's) or all dvd's.

But, I can't (I don't have the energy's) to go through all that, specially when I'm almost always
in a rush to make room on my HDD's -- externals.

-vhelp 4661

[AlanHK]

Quality of Verbatim very much depends where it is produced - the worst discs are from Taiwan. Anyway, Verbatim is as good as TY, imo.

I use Verbatim labelled "Made in Japan". The media code shows it is actually Taiyo Yuden.
[DVD+R:YUDEN000-T03-000]
Less than 1% coasters so far.

I had a bad run with Verbatim "Made in Taiwan", good at first, later 50% were coasters.
[DVD+R:MCC-004-000] (MCC = Mitsubishi Chemicals)
Could be a bad batch, or maybe my (LiteOn) burner getting older.

Regardless, I stick with the Japanese now. Cost is the same.

[pattirose]

For me the Verbatim 8X made in Taiwan 25 spindles are the only ones I've ever had good results with, but that's all I have ever been able to find here. Mind you anything will play on my PC - it's the standalone dvd player that will freeze and the screen will turn into little squares.
I found an online place (duplication.ca) that has Verbatim 50 spindle 8X, I will try ordering from them and see what happens. I'm just waiting on an email back telling me where they were made. If it's India I'll pass and if it's Japan I will jump for joy.

I've tried Imageburn 3-4 times and all I got were coasters, and I've heard Nero isn't compatible with Vista so I've been sticking with what works for me and that's Roxio and Verbatim. I just get so frustrated and feel so stupid when all I end up with are coasters.

Thank you everyone for your replies.

[VegasBud]

pattirose,

ImgBurn is pretty well accepted as the most reliable dvd-video burning software available. If it's producing coasters, there must be a problem somewhere else...either in the burning chain, or in the player.

The easiest, best way to find out what's going on is for you to post a burn log. Since it appears you're using -R media, you can do a test mode burn to get a burn log from ImgBurn without wasting a blank disk. The burn log will show any existing problems that could be corrected to increase the reliability of your burns. Even if the log shows no errors, it would still let you know that the problem is most likely with the player, not with your burning technique.

In terms of your original question, if a given media is working well for you, it's safer to just keep using what is known to work for you. If you're having a problem getting the Verbatim disks, Taiyo Yuden also makes excellent media, so yes, I would say you could be "reasonably sure that it will also like Taiyo Yuden".

[noemi7]

Not all burners work well with TY, for example Benq 1640 which is really great burner.

I dunno where the heck you heard the BENQ 1640 doesn't burn TY well.

I own Benq 1640 as well. Quality score for TY I burnt is usually around 94 vs 97 per cent average for Verbatim. I know it's not a big difference :P

Regarding Verbatim discs produced in Taiwan: they still burn and play very well, however, they have much higher jitter in comparison with these produced in other countries. Jitter goes over 12% which is below high quality range.

I had Verbatim manufactured in India, and surprisingly they were as good as Japanese discs. I rather avoid Indian production as I had very bad experiences with TDK coming from Moser Bear factory.

[redwudz]

The OP is using a laptop burner. I think I would try a external burner as a alternative. The laptop burners I have used are fairly lightly constructed and I can't imagine burning several hundred DVDs with no problems. But I'm sure some members have done that. And using ImgBurn is the only way to go, IMO.

I used all kinds of cheap brands of DVDs in the past and I have a lot of coasters now to show for it. I still have a few hundred two or three year old 8X TY blanks that I use for more important burns and not one coaster yet on the 300 or so I have burned so far. TY, like some other manufacturers, may now be cutting corners to keep down costs and increase profits. I hope not, though.

[pattirose]

Well I got my Verbatim 8X - 50 spindle (made in Taiwan) and the first two I burnt with Roxio were coasters, so I gave imageburn another try and got the "oh no" message. So I assume this is the log:

TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-L632M 0917 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 2,285,867
Size: 4,681,455,616 bytes
Time: 508:00:17 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x

TOC Information:
Session 1...
-> Track 01 (Mode 1, LBA: 0 - 2285866)
-> LeadOut (LBA: 2285867)

Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: MCC 02RG20

Recording Management Area Information:
TSSTcorp 0917 TS-L632D

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Book Type: DVD-R
Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,482,474
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0

Anyone have any ideas what I should try next?

[aedipuss]

i just got my first bad 100 pack of verbatim 16x -r. the first 10 have all errorred out in the middle of a burn with "incompatible media" using imgburn. i have to say this is the first batch of verbatims in over 2000 i've used that are junk. i'm going to send a sample to them and see what they have to say. kinda disappointing losing a dear old friend this way. i'm not much of a t.y. fan so i'm in deep trouble for lack of reliable media. for now i'll switch to mostly using +r verbs and book type them to dvd-rom.

[VegasBud]

pattirose,

The burn log is in the "ImgBurn Log" window which is just below the main ImgBurn window. If it's not there, in the menus click "View" and make sure a check mark is next to "Log". After a burn, in the "ImgBurn Log" window (in the menus), select "Edit" - "Select All" and then "Edit" - "Copy". Then just paste it into a post here.

What you posted, while not a burn log, does show that your TS-L632M drive is using firmware version 0917. The Samsung website (here) is currently distributing version SC03. Follow the "LiveUpdate" links at the Samsung site for the easiest, safest way to update your firmware. Updating to the newest firmware is generally a good first step, and may solve many problems.

[VegasBud]

aedipuss,

That's certainly an unfortunate and unexpected outcome. If you are interested in posting a burn log, maybe the drive reported additional information before the burn completely halted.

[MOVIEGEEK]

Not all burners work well with TY, for example Benq 1640 which is really great burner.

The BENQ 1640 burns TY media very well. I dunno where the heck you heard the BENQ 1640 doesn't burn TY well. I own many BENQ 1640 drives and never had any problems in burning TY media. BENQ was one of the few that had frequent updates on their firmwares to match newer media id's. BENQ IMHO made the best dvd burners in their time. Too bad they invested in too many products that they had to sell their optical drive division to LITEON.

I agree,my 1640 works great with TY DVD+R and Verbatim DL.I have over 1,000 burns on my 1640 and it's still going strong.
It's hard to find media made in Japan anymore because most companies have outsourced the manufacturing.

pattirose,
I would first update your writer before buying an external writer,those Verbatim(MCC) are good but sometimes you get a bad batch.

[budz]

i just got my first bad 100 pack of verbatim 16x -r. the first 10 have all errorred out in the middle of a burn with "incompatible media" using imgburn. i have to say this is the first batch of verbatims in over 2000 i've used that are junk. i'm going to send a sample to them and see what they have to say. kinda disappointing losing a dear old friend this way. i'm not much of a t.y. fan so i'm in deep trouble for lack of reliable media. for now i'll switch to mostly using +r verbs and book type them to dvd-rom.

CdFreaks.com has posted this before that the VERBATIM 100 pack spindles are flaky. If you wanna continue buying VERBATIM buy the 50 pack spindles instead.

[Seeker47]

I found an online place (duplication.ca) that has Verbatim 50 spindle 8X, I will try ordering from them and see what happens.

Haven't seen these anywhere for a rather long time now. Even the Verb 16x -Rs I've used have all been fine, but I haven't bought any in quite awhile . . . so I don't know how the current ones stack up, or don't. When my existing supply of both dwindles, I'll be wary about the Verb replacements. The TYGO2 8x -Rs are the universal gold standard, in my book: if you can't get good results with those, you're in deep guano. If they should disappear or waver in quality, we'll all be neck deep in it.

[pattirose]

Okay, here is the log.

I 16:46:53 ImgBurn Version 2.4.1.0 started!
I 16:46:53 Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition (6.0, Build 6000)
I 16:46:53 Total Physical Memory: 980,992 KB - Available: 401,296 KB
I 16:46:54 Initialising SPTI...
I 16:46:54 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 16:46:58 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
I 16:47:23 Operation Started!
I 16:47:23 Source Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-L632M 0917 (E (ATA)
I 16:47:23 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: MCC 02RG20) (Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x)
I 16:47:23 Image File: C:\Users\Valerie\Desktop\QIGONG_BEGINNERS_DISK1.IS O
I 16:47:23 Image File Sectors: 2,153,535 (MODE1/2048)
I 16:47:23 Image File Size: 4,410,439,680 bytes
I 16:47:23 Image File Volume Identifier: QIGONG_BEGINNERS_DISK1
I 16:47:23 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 003C3A33DVDSHRNK
I 16:47:23 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 16:47:23 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 16:47:23 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
I 16:47:24 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2153534)
I 16:47:24 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2153534)
I 16:56:45 Exporting Graph Data...
I 16:56:45 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Valerie\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CD-DVDW_TS-L632M_0917_MAY-06-08_4-47_PM_MCC_02RG20.ibg
I 16:56:45 Export Successfully Completed!
I 16:56:45 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:09:22
I 16:56:45 Average Verify Rate: 7,677 KB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 13,068 KB/s (9.4x)
I 17:01:26 Operation Started!
I 17:01:26 Source Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-L632M 0917 (E (ATA)
I 17:01:26 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: MCC 02RG20) (Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x)
I 17:01:26 Image File: C:\Users\Valerie\Desktop\QIGONG_BEGINNERS.ISO
I 17:01:26 Image File Sectors: 1,841,662 (MODE1/2048)
I 17:01:26 Image File Size: 3,771,723,776 bytes
I 17:01:26 Image File Volume Identifier: QIGONG_BEGINNERS
I 17:01:26 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 00647F2FDVDSHRNK
I 17:01:26 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 17:01:26 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 17:01:27 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
I 17:01:27 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 1841661)
I 17:01:27 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 1841661)
I 17:09:40 Exporting Graph Data...
I 17:09:40 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Valerie\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CD-DVDW_TS-L632M_0917_MAY-06-08_5-01_PM_MCC_02RG20.ibg
I 17:09:40 Export Successfully Completed!
I 17:09:40 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:08:13
I 17:09:40 Average Verify Rate: 7,471 KB/s (5.4x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 10,550 KB/s (7.6x)
I 17:09:47 Close Request Acknowledged
I 17:09:47 Closing Down...
I 17:09:49 Shutting down SPTI...
I 17:09:49 ImgBurn closed!
I 15:48:32 ImgBurn Version 2.4.1.0 started!
I 15:48:32 Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition (6.0, Build 6000)
I 15:48:32 Total Physical Memory: 980,992 KB - Available: 295,480 KB
I 15:48:32 Initialising SPTI...
I 15:48:32 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 15:48:33 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
I 15:58:25 Operation Started!
I 15:58:25 Source Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-L632M 0917 (E (ATA)
I 15:58:25 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: MCC 02RG20) (Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x)
I 15:58:25 Image File: C:\Users\Valerie\Desktop\BRIDGET_JONES_DIARY.ISO
I 15:58:25 Image File Sectors: 2,285,867 (MODE1/2048)
I 15:58:25 Image File Size: 4,681,455,616 bytes
I 15:58:25 Image File Volume Identifier: BRIDGET_JONES_DIARY
I 15:58:26 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 02A48BA9DVDSHRNK
I 15:58:26 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 15:58:26 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 15:58:26 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
I 15:58:27 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2285866)
I 15:58:27 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2285866)
W 16:02:05 Failed to Read Sector 445490 - Reason: Timeout on Logical Unit
W 16:02:05 Sector 445490 maps to File: \VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
E 16:02:16 Failed to Read Sector 445491 - Reason: Timeout on Logical Unit
E 16:02:16 Sector 445491 maps to File: \VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
E 16:02:16 Failed to Verify Sectors!
I 16:02:16 Exporting Graph Data...
I 16:02:16 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Valerie\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CD-DVDW_TS-L632M_0917_MAY-06-08_3-58_PM_MCC_02RG20.ibg
I 16:02:16 Export Successfully Completed!
E 16:02:16 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:03:50
I 16:02:16 Average Verify Rate: 3,890 KB/s (2.8x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 6,634 KB/s (4.8x)
I 16:03:03 Close Request Acknowledged
I 16:03:03 Closing Down...
I 16:03:03 Shutting down SPTI...
I 16:03:03 ImgBurn closed!
I 14:48:39 ImgBurn Version 2.4.1.0 started!
I 14:48:39 Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition (6.0, Build 6000)
I 14:48:39 Total Physical Memory: 980,992 KB - Available: 317,356 KB
I 14:48:41 Initialising SPTI...
I 14:48:41 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 14:48:44 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
I 14:51:38 Operation Started!
I 14:51:38 Source File: C:\Users\Valerie\Desktop\BRIDGET_JONES_DIARY.ISO
I 14:51:38 Source File Sectors: 2,285,867 (MODE1/2048)
I 14:51:38 Source File Size: 4,681,455,616 bytes
I 14:51:38 Source File Volume Identifier: BRIDGET_JONES_DIARY
I 14:51:38 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 02A48BA9DVDSHRNK
I 14:51:38 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 14:51:38 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 14:51:38 Destination Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-L632M 0917 (E (ATA)
I 14:51:38 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: MCC 02RG20) (Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x)
I 14:51:39 Destination Media Sectors: 2,298,496
I 14:51:39 Write Mode: DVD
I 14:51:39 Write Type: DAO
I 14:51:39 Write Speed: MAX
I 14:51:39 Link Size: Auto
I 14:51:39 Test Mode: No
I 14:51:39 OPC: No
I 14:51:39 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 14:51:42 Filling Buffer... (20 MB)
I 14:51:42 Writing LeadIn...
I 14:52:01 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2285866)
I 14:52:01 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2285866)
I 15:02:13 Synchronising Cache...
I 15:02:29 Exporting Graph Data...
I 15:02:29 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Valerie\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CD-DVDW_TS-L632M_0917_MAY-06-08_2-51_PM_MCC_02RG20_MAX.ibg
I 15:02:29 Export Successfully Completed!
I 15:02:29 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:10:50
I 15:02:29 Average Write Rate: 7,482 KB/s (5.4x) - Maximum Write Rate: 11,142 KB/s (8.0x)
I 15:02:29 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 15:02:47 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 15:03:01 Device Ready!
I 15:03:02 Operation Started!
I 15:03:02 Source Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-L632M 0917 (E (ATA)
I 15:03:02 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: MCC 02RG20) (Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x)
I 15:03:02 Image File: C:\Users\Valerie\Desktop\BRIDGET_JONES_DIARY.ISO
I 15:03:02 Image File Sectors: 2,285,867 (MODE1/2048)
I 15:03:02 Image File Size: 4,681,455,616 bytes
I 15:03:02 Image File Volume Identifier: BRIDGET_JONES_DIARY
I 15:03:02 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 02A48BA9DVDSHRNK
I 15:03:02 Image File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 15:03:02 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 15:03:02 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
I 15:03:02 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 2285866)
I 15:03:02 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 2285866)
W 15:06:32 Failed to Read Sector 445490 - Reason: Timeout on Logical Unit
W 15:06:32 Sector 445490 maps to File: \VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
W 15:06:44 Failed to Read Sector 445491 - Reason: Timeout on Logical Unit
W 15:06:44 Sector 445491 maps to File: \VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
W 15:06:55 Failed to Read Sector 445492 - Reason: Timeout on Logical Unit
W 15:06:55 Sector 445492 maps to File: \VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
E 15:07:07 Failed to Read Sector 445493 - Reason: Timeout on Logical Unit
E 15:07:07 Sector 445493 maps to File: \VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
E 15:07:08 Failed to Verify Sectors!
I 15:07:08 Exporting Graph Data...
I 15:07:08 Graph Data File: C:\Users\Valerie\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_CD-DVDW_TS-L632M_0917_MAY-06-08_2-51_PM_MCC_02RG20_MAX.ibg
I 15:07:08 Export Successfully Completed!
E 15:07:08 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:04:05
I 15:07:08 Average Verify Rate: 3,636 KB/s (2.6x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 6,630 KB/s (4.8x)
I 15:34:41 Close Request Acknowledged
I 15:34:41 Closing Down...
I 15:34:41 Shutting down SPTI...
I 15:34:41 ImgBurn closed!

The Qigong disc plays reasonably well but it does freeze in places. I used Roxio for that. The 2 Bridget Jones (one imageburn - one roxio) freeze and the whole screen has a bunch of little squares plus I get part of the picture in different colored squares.

I also dloaded that Nero disc speed 4 that was recommended and I did most of the tests on the 3 coasters but I have no idea what any of that "raw data" means and I don't see a log.

[pattirose]

Vegasbud: That firmware site has a patch and and a full download, which one do I pick?

[budz]

Vegasbud: That firmware site has a patch and and a full download, which one do I pick?

Download the the full download.

[pattirose]

thanks

[VegasBud]

pattirose,

In the one ImgBurn burn in the log you posted, the drive didn't report any errors during the burn, but during verify the drive couldn't read the data it thought it had just written. That means the problem is the media, the drive, or the interaction of the drive and media. Since I haven't personally seen bad Verbatim media, it's likely to be most productive if you concentrate on the drive.

Of the things that could be causing the problem, updating the drive's firmware would be the first thing to try. I'm glad to see you're already pursuing that.

The second thing to remedy is OPC (Optimum Power Calibration) is disabled. OPC writes a piece of data to a special part of the disk at 15 different laser power levels, and then reads back what it just wrote, which allows the drive to ensure that the laser power is set optimally for that specific disk, before the actual burning starts. It doesn't use up any of the data area of the disk, the time spent is negligible, and the benefit of using it can be substantial, so I would recommend you enable OPC. You can do that in ImgBurn by clicking (in the menus) "Tools" - "Settings". In the window that pops up, select the "Write" tab, and on the left side, second checkbox down, put a checkmark next to "Perform OPC Before Write".

One other thing worth mentioning:

You appear to be preparing ISOs with DvdShrink first, then burning the ISOs. ImgBurn can be used in "Build Mode" to directly use the VIDEO_TS - AUDIO_TS folders (no ISO required).

[stantheman1976]

Burn a disc and test it with http://www.cdspeed2000.com

Not all burners work well with TY, for example Benq 1640 which is really great burner. Quality of Verbatim very much depends where it is produced - the worst discs are from Taiwan. Anyway, Verbatim is as good as TY, imo. BTW: In fact nobody knows really how discs of both brands will perform after xx years. We need to wait...

I have a Sony drive and an HP drive in my desktop. The Sony burns and verifies 100% every time and the HP fails verification almost every burn using TY 8X DVD-R.

[delius]

to pattirose dont know where u are in canada/GTA perhaps
but for ty blank disc www.cty.com i swear by ty buy nothing but
0 coasters using imgburn for video/nero 7 for audio

[delius]

sorry url is cty.ca

[pattirose]

Thank you so much for the replies and opinions. I'll update my firmware and try another burn with imageburn, then try the buildmode with another.

Delius: that site doesn't sell the 50 pack spindles but blankdvdmedia.com does - anyone bought from them?

[orsetto]

I've said it before, and been jeered at for my pains, but little by little other folks are beginning to report what I've experienced myself: Verbatim ain't what it used to be, at least the single-layer (the double-layer aside from an occasional hiccup now seems to have better QC worldwide). A couple years ago MCC started sub-contracting Verbatim SL to conglomerates that make mostly *crap* media, the idea being the huge "crap" factories could achieve better productivity than MCC themselves as long as they followed MCCs processes and formulas. This arrangement worked for about a year, the "crap" factories produced Verbatims about as well as MCC used to. Then last year they changed something, no one knows what because they still identify as "MCC" media with the traditional codes. But they WERE CHANGED. People who had never before EVER had a coaster with Verbatims began getting failed burn after failed burn, or the discs would be spit out by older standalones as "unrecognized media".

This itself should have been a wake-up call: even when testing the worst "junk" media, I had never before had a recorder spit it out as unrecognized- it would at least try to burn using default schemes and then fail halfway thru. With these 2007 and later Verbatims, no dice- spits em right out. This happens on my various Pioneers and JVCs, the only machine I own that will load and burn current Verbatim DVD-R is my Pioneer 640 (great burner in that unit). So my vote is to grab as much TY 8x Premium as you can afford and stockpile it. In a pinch, Sony DVD-R media at retail also gives pretty good results in older recorders as long as its marked "Taiwan", Sony Malaysia is problematical. (BTW I totally agree laptop burners are even more picky about media than old DVD recorders, the worst being the slot-load Matsushitas in Apple laptops.)