SOLVED Processing Cloverfield w/ PgcEdit loses commentary track thru menus

[louv68]

**SOLVED**
Don't know why, but disabling the streams individually for each title, versus deleting them did the trick.

This is the first DVD I've had trouble with, using PgcEdit. I always use VobBlanker first to strip out unwanted crap, then further process with PgcEdit by hiding buttons, and removing traces of unwanted audio streams & subtitles (so all traces of them are gone and cannot be toggled with the remote) I like them completely gone.

Well with this movie, after processing with PgcEdit, the commentary track is lost from the menu navigation. It can still be toggled while the movie is playing however. Commentary on the extras is still available thru the menus. It's only for the movie that it is lost. Pretty strange how they mastered this disc.

I've tried it several times. The last 2 attempts I did the following. I open the DVD and it scans for BOVs. It then displays the following warning which makes no difference if Yes or No is selected. I save the DVD and open it with a software player and the commentary track is lost thru the menus. Prior to going into PgcEdit, it works. I know enough to be dangerous but definitely not enough to follow the Trace and choose the correct audio stream.



Anyone have any ideas?

[manono]

In the process of doing whatever you did, did you manage to change the audio stream number for this commentary track? That is, did the commentary track perhaps go from being the 4th audio stream (after the English, French, and Spanish language tracks) to being the second one? You should be able to figure it out by comparing the PGC Editor screen for the original DVD with the one from your processed DVD. If that's what happened there are a number of ways to fix it, but perhaps remapping it so it's the 4th again is the simplest.

That pic has nothing to do with anything.

[louv68]

I did strip out the 2nd and 3rd audio streams with VobBlanker first. Would that have messed anything up? I don't remember this happening before with other titles.

I just checked the PGC Editor and I see all 4 streams in the correct order. The commentary track is listed as 0x83

*EDIT*
I've traced the commands after selecting the Commentary then Play buttons. It initially shows the Commentary track selected, but as the trace progresses, it changes to the main english track. When I see it change, how do I set it to the correct stream?

[manono]

**SOLVED**
Don't know why, but disabling the streams individually for each title, versus deleting them did the trick.

Because, as I was speculating, by deleting the 2 tracks you changed the commentary track from the 4th stream to the 2nd one. When you chose the commentary track in the menu, there was no longer a 4th stream to go to, so it went back to the first one (the English dialog track). Disabling the unwanted tracks keeps the Commentary track in its original 4th position. You still could have completely deleted the unwanted audio tracks. It would have just meant remapping the Commentary track.

[louv68]

You still could have completely deleted the unwanted audio tracks. It would have just meant remapping the Commentary track.

I actually stripped the French and Spanish audio tracks with VobBlanker beforehand. Even though they were actually gone, they were still visible. That is what I was trying to get rid of.

by deleting the 2 tracks you changed the commentary track from the 4th stream to the 2nd one.

You were exactly right about this. I guess I never experienced this problem before since I usually only keep the 1st audio stream. This one, being the 1st and 4th streams, goofed things up.

For future reference, how does one re-map an audio stream called from a menu? I've tried searching for such a guide, but have not been able to find one.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

[manono]

I had a post about remapping earlier:

https://forum.videohelp.com/topic275603-240.html#1836432

But each case is different and you'll have to adapt the procedure for each case. So, until you get the hang of it you can experiment safe in the knowledge that if you mess up PGCEdit has saved the original IFOs so they can be replaced and you can start fresh.

You can also modify the menu commands in the Menu Buttons page, but that's perhaps a bit more difficult (sometimes). That is, instead of having the button point to the 4th audio stream when you want to choose the commentary track, you can have it go to the (now) 2nd stream.

[louv68]

manono,

Thank you for taking the time to link those posts. I've looked them over, but it seems since they aren't directly related to this specific problem, that it's a bit difficult to follow.

If you ever have the time to do a walk-thru guide which shows how to process a DVD with deleted audio streams "in-between" the ones you'll keep, and correctly point the menu to the "new" stream(s); that would make a very useful guide.

Before Deleting
0 En
1 Es (Delete)
2 Fr (Delete)
3 Eng Commentary

After Deleting
0 Eng
1 Eng Commentary (this stream used to be #3 and is now #1)

Thanks again for your help.

[manono]

Hi-
OK, you probably wound up doing something like this:



or this:



Probably the first. But if you want to remove all traces of the deleted audio tracks and make it like this:



then that will require messing with the menu commands, and doing that can range from very easy to pretty difficult and beyond my knowledge (not that my knowledge is all that great). In your case it should be fairly easy. Taking a look at the Audio Set Up menu, and specifically the command to turn on the commentary track, we see:



If you change (mov) 3 to (mov) 1 (change it from choosing the 4th audio track to choosing the 2nd one), you should be in business. To do that, just click on that wide bar with the command and in the PGCEdit - Command Editor change the value 3 to 1.You'll have to do it both in the Audio menu and in the Special Features menu. But there are different ways different DVDs handle this, and I don't know if an all-inclusive guide can be written to cover all possibilities.

[ntscuser]

Hey louv68, you've just discovered what I found some time ago, that stripping unwanted audio (or subpicture) streams can sometimes create more problems than it solves. The fun really starts with foreign releases where the first audio track is not English and the formula for selecting tracks is written in algebra!

[louv68]

Wow, that was too easy! Thanks manono.

ntscuser,

I see what you're talking about. Just out of curiosity, I looked at the commentary track for the deleted scenes, and instead of it being a # from 0 to 7, it was 1000 Just glad I didn't have to mess with that one.

Keep up the good work guys. I love learning this stuff.