handyguy,
oh, ok, I misunderstood your comment. I thought you were being sarcastic.
glad it's still humming along. my e95hs and e100hs are both humming along ok too. I'm just considering my options out loud in here.
I'm truly tempted to get a pioneer. It's funny that I never heard of them until I started eyeballing a new unit. In the past just prior to buy the 2 pannys I have now, I don't recall ever seeing a pioneer. I mainly remember the ones I was considering, the panny and the LG. But I think the lg came out just after I bought, and I was a bit disappointed I missed them, until a friend told me about LG's software issues. And now LG disappeared offf the shelves at best buy as did all the hdd dvd recorders. So, what's done is done, but a pioneer is on the menu, I just have to wait a bit.
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Originally Posted by kennywally
It's funny (as in odd), but as has been pointed out here a few times, people keep turning up who are surprised to learn this train left the station -- on its final service -- in 2007.When in Las Vegas, don't miss the Pinball Hall of Fame Museum http://www.pinballmuseum.org/ -- with over 150 tables from 6+ decades of this quintessentially American art form. -
[/quote] why anyone would even consider cable instead of DirecTV is mindboggling.[/quote]
Content. Some offerings are only via digital cable, like Howard TV. -
" but as has been pointed out here a few times, people keep turning up who are surprised to learn this train left the station -- on its final service -- in 2007. "
I'm sorry, but you lost me there, could you elaborate that point a bit further please! -
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KennyWally,
I believe Seeker was talking about recorders dropped from the market.Yeah, I'm probably nuts... But what the hell. Nobody's perfect. -
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Originally Posted by cmw
For anyone who is a habitual recording hound and DVD packrat, the TiVO/satellite/cable DVRs are essentially useless because they can't burn a DVD and can't edit. Yes, you can connect a plain DVD recorder to the outputs of the satellite DVR and sit there like a friggin moron for hours on end doing real time dubs, losing quality and riding the pause/stop buttons. It gets damn old, damn fast. The independent DVD/HDD you loathe for timeshifting becomes a Ferrari for the rest of us, because we can edit quickly and precisely, maintain a backup, and dub to a finished DVD in 9 minutes digitally without losing any quality, all within one machine. Is it a royal, shoot yourself in the head, total pain in the ass to set timer recordings or timeshift? Absolutely. But we choose to deal with it in order to get other features we value more than one-click integrated timeshifting.
No device can be everything to everybody. You buy what will do what you want most. Stamping your foot here and carrying on about the unmatched convenience of TiVO or satellite DVRs is kinda pointless: everybody knows this already. 9 out of 10 Americans already choose the integrated satellite/cable DVR. Every independent DVD/HDD machine (except one) was pulled from the USA market two years ago. The war is over, TiVO and proprietary recorders won. We *get* it, okay? But it doesn't follow that independent DVD/HDD recorders are "obsolete": far from it. If you need their capabilities, you gladly embrace the compromised conveniences. You don't see people chasing used TiVo boxes all over eBay, but you do see many people bidding up used Pioneer and Panasonic DVD/HDD recorders to higher than their original list price. Don't kid yourself- there is still a demand for such machines. Just not enough to be profitable in the USA due to the cable/satellite integration lockout, and TiVO's bullshit patent threats. -
Originally Posted by cmw
Not everybody wants or needs the features a TiVo or other DVR offers or the monthly fees that go along with having them. In my case, a $250 Philips HDD DVD recorder with 160 GB drive and no monthly fees would be more useful to me than a subscription-based DVR/rental, plus a regular DVD recorder. I don’t currently have an STB and would prefer not buy a new piece of furniture to have room for a both DVR and DVD recorder. I don't need HD. I don't plan to keep things around on the hard drive for long, so I don't need my recordings organized for me, and I prefer to schedule recordings using a timer.
I actually do use IE most of the time. I use Firefox too, but I prefer IE’s layout, plus my ISP’s software and my security software are more compatible with IE. -
I use satellites. It's not too much fun cleaning the snow off the DN dish 18' or so up on the roof. If it's snowing it will just go back out before I can watch anything anyway. I hate cable but there are advantages and disadvantages to both cable and satellite.
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Originally Posted by orsettoWhen in Las Vegas, don't miss the Pinball Hall of Fame Museum http://www.pinballmuseum.org/ -- with over 150 tables from 6+ decades of this quintessentially American art form.
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Originally Posted by Seeker47Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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Originally Posted by lordsmurf
I saw Charlie Rose's interview with Sony's CEO, Howard Stringer, a couple of days ago. It was pretty interesting. The end of the HD DVD/Blu-Ray format war did come up. -
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Originally Posted by lordsmurf
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Originally Posted by lordsmurf
I think something like a Media Center with a huge (multi-terabyte) storage capacity, and with an interface that lets you browse its virtual shelves - see the artwork, read the reviews... well now that might be the future. This future would be agnostic about which particular portable medium was used to get movies into the internal storage.
ps. By "Media Center" I do not mean Windows Media Center PCs. The thing I have in mind is a consumer item with a much simpler interface than a PC. -
I agree. Flash memory will never be anywhere near as cheap to produce as optical discs and therefore won't replace them. It will gain popularity for other uses but not for TV/movies.
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Originally Posted by samijubal
Advantages for me as a Dishnetwork sub are good service & price.
If I were signing up now I'd probably take one of their HD only packages and be paying even less per month.
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Flash memory is suddenly very much in the picture. SanDisk and other makers are in full-court-press mode, currently in simultaneous major negotiations with both the studios and CE mfrs. Home video/DVD has splintered and is not following the uniform pattern that happened with audio/CD (where packaged media is totally dead in the water and downloads now rule completely). Video is by definition a longer-form product with some uses that are not subject to change with the whims of the young, as happened in audio.
Video recording has now ossified due to the paralyzing effect of the moribund American market with its proprietary do-nothing-but-timeshift cable/satellite PVRs. But packaged DVD for playback remains a very healthy business for rental and sale of commercial releases. This cuts across all age groups: the over-40 demo is just used to having physical media, and the under-40 demo understands the theater experience at home entails a disc, especially for Hi Def. Recording is another story which is flailing in search of some direction. Recordable video disc is dead in North America because its "too hard to use" and doesn't integrate seamlessly with cable or satellite. In global markets DVD recording is still very popular, but the key North American market is indifferent, a deadweight dragging profits and hardware volume way down. While young and old here agree on the viability of discs for playback, they are far apart on recording. The over-forties live and die by their cable/satellite PVRs for timeshifting and have no other recording interests. The younger generations are desperate for convenient video recording, but only if it can be manipulated like MP3 as files easily ported to multiple devices. They want easy transfer to the Sony PSP, iPod, cell phones and other portable media players. They *don't* want to deal with an intermediary recordable optical disc that must be tediously ripped to a computer and then converted for their device.
This is where the flash memory mfrs are hoping to stake a new business. This type of video usage does not require media that costs pennies, because its transitory. After you put the card into your device and download the video, you recycle the card for another recording, or you just keep a few cards on hand for semi-permanent storage. Right now chip makers have a huge surplus of mfring ability they are dying to tap, which will drive flash prices even lower if the concept takes off. All they have to do is get everyone from Apple to Zenith to include an SD slot in all their devices, and get the studios on board with some sort of workable but not oppressive DRM scheme. Admittedly its a long shot in the current climate, but there is a lot of money behind and riding on this. Chip makers have seen how stalling and and patent greed strangled the Hi Def disc, which should have been a slam dunk. They want to seize the moment while they still can, before video moves on to something like direct beaming into our skulls via cell networks. It will be interesting to watch this play out, whatever happens. -
Originally Posted by TBoneit
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Just to join in this Fun packed ping pong match... I have a Hdd/dvd recorder, and a previously purchased DVR .. I use both... recorder to archive stuff.. and the Dvr to watch n wipe.. I have NOW realized that neither is what I really needed. I should have bought something like the TopField 5800 a DVR that lets you archive/xfer to computer. I do virtually all my editing on Computer anyway, and have a very good (and replaceable) DVD burner on that anyway.. while also being able to store recordings on various (replaceable) Hard drives.
I now (mostly) understand my philips recorder(free Epg). DVR was cheaper AND more flexible (record2, watch 1).(Free & Better EPG)
and the extra PC software costs money as well(inc EPG). And none of this crap is HD.
*off now, to record the end of civilization as we know itCorned beef is now made to a higher standard than at any time in history.
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Originally Posted by handyguy
There is a digital broadcast version of TVGOS, which of course requires a digital tuner. The DISH DTVPal/TR40-CRA is the only converter box that will allow those who use an antenna to keep using TVGOS with their NTSC-only devices. A G-Link cable is also needed, and the TVGOS-equipped device needs to be set up for a Scientific Atlanta cable box rather than an antenna. People have reported they can't get the feature to work, but it may be because their local CBS affiliate is not broadcasting it yet. At present, only a few cities have it up and running, althogh it is supposed to be more widely available next year. -
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Originally Posted by RabidDog
I just hope I don't discover such problems in many of the movies I've steadily been recording on the DVDR, well after the fact. Quite a few are seldom broadcast, and I archived them promptly off to DVD, then erased them on the hard drive to free up that space.
That reminds me, Orsetto -- I'm still hoping to hear your opinion re the optimize function of the Pioneer. Do you think it locks out bad sectors, as PC optimizer programs do ? And how much risk is there in using it, regarding whatever is currently on the drive ?When in Las Vegas, don't miss the Pinball Hall of Fame Museum http://www.pinballmuseum.org/ -- with over 150 tables from 6+ decades of this quintessentially American art form. -
Originally Posted by usually_quietWhen in Las Vegas, don't miss the Pinball Hall of Fame Museum http://www.pinballmuseum.org/ -- with over 150 tables from 6+ decades of this quintessentially American art form.
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Originally Posted by Seeker47
I use my DVDR (Pio 640) quite a bit for timeshifting, and I'm starting to run into fairly regular "bad program" spots, where the sound disappears for awhile, or there is bad video noise with shifting horizontal sections, or the picture freezes or breaks up into blocks and then re-forms itself.
That reminds me, Orsetto -- I'm still hoping to hear your opinion re the optimize function of the Pioneer. Do you think it locks out bad sectors, as PC optimizer programs do ? And how much risk is there in using it, regarding whatever is currently on the drive? -
Originally Posted by mpack
Copy protection, production costs, storage, longevity, compression, size -- trust me, all the ingredients for a DVD-killer are there. And it's being developed in sly by folks such as Toshiba, along with studios that can already see the failure of Blu-Ray (including ones that release in that format).Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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Originally Posted by orsetto
Flash is just yet another portable medium. It has the advantage that it is inherently rewriteable, plus there is no definite upper limit to capacity. Other portable media has other advantages, so I don't believe that any one will dominate, ie. none are "the future". My own belief is that the future will be devices that can accept data from a number of portable media types, and not care very much which.
However, I think the dominant distribution format will continue to be optical disks, or maybe some kind of equally cheap-to-mfr medium that doesn't exist yet. I don't see how fab lines (even in China) can make and package USB NAND-flash devices competitive in price with pressed optical - yes, there will be a market for these for use on portable players, but it will not IMHO displace the spinner for everyday distribution. -
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Originally Posted by Seeker47
Some people, like handyguy, did get TVGOS to work though, and apparently still use it. Perhaps they even use it to schedule recordings, like a poor man's TiVo. It seems like a fairly important consideration to him.
As far as antennas go, close to 1 in 5 US housholds watch TV exclusively via antenna. There are also housholds with a paid TV service that don't have it connected to all their TVs, and some with satellite service who receive their locals via an antenna.
I have analog service from Comcast that does not yet require an STB, though no doubt that will change within three years, maybe less. They will soon move the TV Guide channel, which serves as the program guide for their analog subscribers, to a digital package. Go figure. -
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