Goldmund's $17,000 Blu-ray player

[Midzuki]

I only know that serious audiophiles really prefer taking the time to learn
how to build vacuum-tube audio amplifiers by their own hands.

[edDV]

I only know that serious audiophiles really prefer taking the time to learn
how to build vacuum-tube audio amplifiers by their own hands.

I once visited Henry Kloss of Advent, KLH and Acoustic Research fame in 1976 at his Cambridge, MA colonial style home. He was proud to give us a tour of his vacuum-tube/CRT lab in the basement. He was doing his Advent video Beam CRT projector development at the time. Most every room of the house was a lab for some idea or another. I envied him for a wife that would tolerate all the chaos. That was my kind of audio-video guy!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kloss RIP

...

[Midzuki]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kloss

Many many thanks for the info

[Vrex]

"This is a bit sad actually. Goldmund posted a picture of the inside of this player. It uses the EXACT same Pioneer audio and video boards as well as the transport mechanism. They replaced the plastic tray with a metal one (looks better but no change in performance). They put in their own power supply and an very cheap output connection board. So given all of that, let's assume that it's about $1000 of Pioneer parts (Assuming it's the Elite boards), a chassis, and a power supply.

If it were a ground-up player (A nearly $1,000,000 investment for a company) then I would back this entirely. BUT IT IS NOT. The guys at Goldmund must have balls so large they have to be driven around in a cart - there's no way they could walk around! What a scam..."


http://www.avrevforum.com/showthread.php?p=12584#post12584

[bendixG15]

Secondly, just because YOU cannot see or hear the differences does not mean that they don't exist.
Roberta

Is that a solid reason to buy ??

I just love people with that kind of intellect .........Glad I didn't marry one (but at times I think I came close :P ).

[maek]

the finest AS-Curator power supply circuit and magnetic damping for ultimate sound and video reproduction with least amount of mechanical and electrical distortions...

For morons who think it makes a difference to the ones and zeros passing through their HDMI cable.

Actually, you'll find that your cheap HDMI cable attached to your cheap Blu-Ray player has been transmitting 0.995 and 0.0012 this entire time.

This $17,000 player actually rounds up and down to give you the true 1.000 and 0.000 bit performance that you crave.

[maek]

I always have a good laugh at people who put an item down simply because they can't afford it. The $10k turntable can't be any better than their $169 Dual; the $5,000 Krell CD player couldn't possibly be better than their Sony/Pioneer/Panasonic/Denon units. The $75k price tag that a nice BMW may cost can't possibly be justified when a Chevy Blazer will do.

Don't knock it until you have OWNED one of these items. Believe it or not, K-Mart shoppers, you sometimes DO get better quality when you pay more. Will a $5k CD player sound 50 times as good as a $100 one? Of course not. In audio and video, incremental improvements are disproportionately priced. So a machine that sounds 10% better may cost 500% more, but it doesn't mean that it isn't better.

Secondly, just because YOU cannot see or hear the differences does not mean that they don't exist.

Price is irrelevant to those who can afford these items, so keep on knocking those toys that you can only speculate about, while others enjoy their indulgences.

Roberta

Roberta:

Normally, I would agree with a statement like this. However, Goldmund's claims, like reduction in "mechanical distortion", is absolute CRAP. I'm sorry, but there are other things to consider that should make you hesitate in buying this inflated product:

1. Does Goldmund's player account for the imperfections in DVD/Blu-Ray manufacture? I'm sure that the thickness of a DVD might vary by several micrometers or so...beyond Goldmund's control and certainly well beyond the equipment needed to account for this "error." God knows that I'm particularly interested in the chroma reproduction located at pixel x = 1233 and y = 962 on my 58" Panasonic Plasma. It better be blue, because if it's 1 color variation off several million, then I am going to be MIFFED (sorry for the strong language).
2. Is Goldmund's player able to nullify electrical interference due to a nearby lightning strike? Sounds unreasonable, but hey, I'm paying $17,000 for a player...it better be able to handle that small annoynace.
3. What about labelling thickness? There usually are variations in thickness that movie studios use to give letters a raised appearance on the top of the disc. Have they accounted for this imbalance? Again, I'm worried about 1233 x 962 again.
4. Have they accounted for the Coriolis effect inherent in Earth's orbit around the Sun coupled with Earth's rotation? How about gravitational distortion that occurs when the moon circles around?
5. Have they accounted for Black Matter?
6. Is the Goldmund player impacted by the Fed's cut in interest rates? Again, the gravitational constant could be shifted significantly depending on where/how money is changing hands between lobbyists and politicians. Very, very important.
7. Will the Goldmund player be affected if I use the top of the player for a game of quarters? Hey, I'm rich, but I still like getting drunk with my old frat buddies.
8. If I taunt the Goldmund player, will it maintain its stoic composure and play on like a trooper or will it sulk and play like a Coby player?
9. During a nuclear war, will the Goldmund player resist EMP? Can I dismantle the player and wrap myself in it like a blanket to become one of the 20 survivors who have bought this player so I can procreate and be the hopeful parent that wishes their child will eventually work at Goldmund?

All kidding aside, there is a difference between a $300 Denon player and a $30 Coby player...and that's because I can SEE it and HEAR it. Any impercetible change to me means that the snake oil salesman has successfully swindled me once again. We're knocking it because we know when we're being bamboozled...and a lot of technical experts on a multitude of websites agree that Goldmund's claims are ridiculous at best.

[TheFamilyMan]

I see the price for those wall electrical plugs has come down quite a bit. I'd like to see a review of a blind A/B test compared to $1.29 version from home depot. Nice that they offer a bulk discount in case you are remodelling.

BTW, I've demo'ed $15,000 hifi systems that I'd seriously consider buying if I had the money. There is no way that any walmart, or even best buy, caliber of equipment will match this level of performance. It comes down to a matter of knowing what makes a worthwhile difference for the price and what is BS.

[DereX888]

1. Does Goldmund's player account for the imperfections in DVD/Blu-Ray manufacture? I'm sure that the thickness of a DVD might vary by several micrometers or so...beyond Goldmund's control and certainly well beyond the equipment needed to account for this "error." God knows that I'm particularly interested in the chroma reproduction located at pixel x = 1233 and y = 962 on my 58" Panasonic Plasma. It better be blue, because if it's 1 color variation off several million, then I am going to be MIFFED (sorry for the strong language).
2. Is Goldmund's player able to nullify electrical interference due to a nearby lightning strike? Sounds unreasonable, but hey, I'm paying $17,000 for a player...it better be able to handle that small annoynace.
3. What about labelling thickness? There usually are variations in thickness that movie studios use to give letters a raised appearance on the top of the disc. Have they accounted for this imbalance? Again, I'm worried about 1233 x 962 again.
4. Have they accounted for the Coriolis effect inherent in Earth's orbit around the Sun coupled with Earth's rotation? How about gravitational distortion that occurs when the moon circles around?
5. Have they accounted for Black Matter?
6. Is the Goldmund player impacted by the Fed's cut in interest rates? Again, the gravitational constant could be shifted significantly depending on where/how money is changing hands between lobbyists and politicians. Very, very important.
7. Will the Goldmund player be affected if I use the top of the player for a game of quarters? Hey, I'm rich, but I still like getting drunk with my old frat buddies.
8. If I taunt the Goldmund player, will it maintain its stoic composure and play on like a trooper or will it sulk and play like a Coby player?
9. During a nuclear war, will the Goldmund player resist EMP? Can I dismantle the player and wrap myself in it like a blanket to become one of the 20 survivors who have bought this player so I can procreate and be the hopeful parent that wishes their child will eventually work at Goldmund?

Lack of Moon-phasing gravitational distortion correction makes it utterly useless crap, you are completely right
Also it doesn't come with an adequate warranty for at least 3 generations owner's offspring's lifetime.


And no one have noticed this crappy device does not compensate for the differences in Earth's magnetical fields between northern and southern hemispheres, which obviously must affect all the electromagnetic processes inside device's chips and mangle some bytes of information beyond any recognition

[JohnnyMalaria]

BTW, I've demo'ed $15,000 hifi systems that I'd seriously consider buying if I had the money. There is no way that any walmart, or even best buy, caliber of equipment will match this level of performance. It comes down to a matter of knowing what makes a worthwhile difference for the price and what is BS.

Knowing it costs $15,000 and that it is high end equipment inherently biases your subjective opinion. You can guarantee that in a true double blinded comparison the difference would be much less. Psychology is a powerful, reality-bending thing.

[maek]

Lack of Moon-phasing gravitational distortion correction makes it utterly useless crap, you are completely right
Also it doesn't come with an adequate warranty for at least 3 generations owner's offspring's lifetime.


And no one have noticed this crappy device does not compensate for the differences in Earth's magnetical fields between northern and southern hemispheres, which obviously must affect all the electromagnetic processes inside device's chips and mangle some bytes of information beyond any recognition

Quite right, quite right. There are a couple of other things that I failed to mention that I'm sure the wizards of Goldmund have solved completely:

1. Assuming that the thermal coefficient of a DVD is approximately 0.000006 (similar to steel - in other words, steel expands/contracts at a rate of 0.000006 ft per ft per degree F), than a 12 cm could theoretically expand/contract approximately 0.0017" given a 60 degree variation in temperature. Although the Goldmund probably runs super cool with its nitrogen injected SUPER GOLDENROD COOL(TM) system, not even it can withstand the thermal build-up of a cheap THX-Ultra 2 certified Pioneer receiver (hey - I had to cut corners somewhere). "0.0017 inches is nothing," you scoff. Ahhh, but do you realize that a single stream of code at the extremity of the disc could have changed in circumferential length by as much as 0.005"?!? That could make my movie play at the wrong speed!!! Thankfully, however, the Goldmund disc player has accounted for this using a Sharper Image-certified ionized calibrated thermometer which sends a signal to the hydroencepholated mylar-encapsulated charge holder (or capacitor for short) that lets the player adjust the radial speed of the disc up or down depending upon the actual physical shape of the disc.
2. Goldmund has also calibrated for the speed of light. Ha, no Newtonian "guesses" here...the temporal shift reducer actually accounts for the fact that sound reaches the ear considerably slower than light. It actually creates a wormhole centered around the listener instantly transporting him/her back 0.000013 seconds to actually see someone speaking before the sound actually reaches their ears, just as it would happen in real life.
3. Goldmund has a new Infinity-frame engine. Other pesky DVD players play at frame rates of 24 or 30 frames per second. With the infinity engine, however, the Goldmund sends a hyperspace field to the plasma resulting in a non-interlaced, continuous video stream that is displayed instantaneously from one moment to the next (or infinite frames). Unfortunately, 1080i displays simply explode when the player is hooked up, so be sure to get Goldmund's 58" 1080-8 (infinity sideways) plasma display...which actually uses REAL PLASMA (don't touch).
4. Goldmund's player is also capable of inducing world peace in unstable third world countries.

[DereX888]

Quite right, quite right. There are a couple of other things that I failed to mention that I'm sure the wizards of Goldmund have solved completely:

1. Assuming that the thermal coefficient of a DVD is approximately 0.000006 (similar to steel - in other words, steel expands/contracts at a rate of 0.000006 ft per ft per degree F), than a 12 cm could theoretically expand/contract approximately 0.0017" given a 60 degree variation in temperature. Although the Goldmund probably runs super cool with its nitrogen injected SUPER GOLDENROD COOL(TM) system, not even it can withstand the thermal build-up of a cheap THX-Ultra 2 certified Pioneer receiver (hey - I had to cut corners somewhere). "0.0017 inches is nothing," you scoff. Ahhh, but do you realize that a single stream of code at the extremity of the disc could have changed in circumferential length by as much as 0.005"?!? That could make my movie play at the wrong speed!!! Thankfully, however, the Goldmund disc player has accounted for this using a Sharper Image-certified ionized calibrated thermometer which sends a signal to the hydroencepholated mylar-encapsulated charge holder (or capacitor for short) that lets the player adjust the radial speed of the disc up or down depending upon the actual physical shape of the disc.
2. Goldmund has also calibrated for the speed of light. Ha, no Newtonian "guesses" here...the temporal shift reducer actually accounts for the fact that sound reaches the ear considerably slower than light. It actually creates a wormhole centered around the listener instantly transporting him/her back 0.000013 seconds to actually see someone speaking before the sound actually reaches their ears, just as it would happen in real life.
3. Goldmund has a new Infinity-frame engine. Other pesky DVD players play at frame rates of 24 or 30 frames per second. With the infinity engine, however, the Goldmund sends a hyperspace field to the plasma resulting in a non-interlaced, continuous video stream that is displayed instantaneously from one moment to the next (or infinite frames). Unfortunately, 1080i displays simply explode when the player is hooked up, so be sure to get Goldmund's 58" 1080-8 (infinity sideways) plasma display...which actually uses REAL PLASMA (don't touch).
4. Goldmund's player is also capable of inducing world peace in unstable third world countries.

Wow, I had no clue about #2!
*That* explains the price completely

As for #3, I thought Goldmund's player is capable of three-dimensional displaying on a standard LCD screens by utilizing usage of all sides of the square screen's diodes, and its only plasma displays that are affected by the infinity hyperfielding?

#4 is simply no good.
Those countries will wither without eternal rage, hatrence, religious indoctrination, revenge lust, etc etc (whatever applies to any particular country)

BTW, I've demo'ed $15,000 hifi systems that I'd seriously consider buying if I had the money. There is no way that any walmart, or even best buy, caliber of equipment will match this level of performance. It comes down to a matter of knowing what makes a worthwhile difference for the price and what is BS.

Knowing it costs $15,000 and that it is high end equipment inherently biases your subjective opinion. You can guarantee that in a true double blinded comparison the difference would be much less. Psychology is a powerful, reality-bending thing.

Very true. (sometimes you DO make sense, gotta admit )
Not long ago I was part of the test.
When people saw the players, maority said the iPod had the best sound quality, second was some S*ny :]
When they all heard music only and didn't see any devices, the iPod was not even in the best 5, and so was the S*ny
Power of brand-naming and advertising is deeply embedded in the dumb mob's brains (or skulls actually - due to lack of brains...)

[Marvingj]

Wow!, I can not believe it.....

[jagabo]

Not long ago I was part of the test.
When people saw the players, maority said the iPod had the best sound quality, second was some S*ny :]
When they all heard music only and didn't see any devices, the iPod was not even in the best 5, and so was the S*ny :)

Was this test published anywhere? I'd like to read it.

[TheFamilyMan]

BTW, I've demo'ed $15,000 hifi systems that I'd seriously consider buying if I had the money. There is no way that any walmart, or even best buy, caliber of equipment will match this level of performance. It comes down to a matter of knowing what makes a worthwhile difference for the price and what is BS.

Knowing it costs $15,000 and that it is high end equipment inherently biases your subjective opinion. You can guarantee that in a true double blinded comparison the difference would be much less. Psychology is a powerful, reality-bending thing.

Not so fast there. One system I demo'ed was at a hifi repair shop. The technician had a system playing some live acoustic jazz in the back room that I'd swear was an actual performance. When I asked about it, he took me back for a listen. It was amazing, the stereo effect was 100%. It was completely life-like and could point out each player on the stage. It wasn't until I was leaving that he told me what the system was worth and only after I asked, and it wasn't the price that impressed me. I've also demo'ed $$$ systems in stereo stores that were touted as their "best" which were no better than my home hifi setup that cost me about $3500 to put together. As far as ipods (I own one), they suck relatively speaking but you can't beat the convenience of using one. I hate to sound snobbish, but educated ears can hear the difference and it ain't trivial. It's like the difference between cheap blended scotch and fine aged single malt: if you don't know anything about scotch, it doesn't really matter which you are drinking.

[maek]

BTW, I've demo'ed $15,000 hifi systems that I'd seriously consider buying if I had the money. There is no way that any walmart, or even best buy, caliber of equipment will match this level of performance. It comes down to a matter of knowing what makes a worthwhile difference for the price and what is BS.

Knowing it costs $15,000 and that it is high end equipment inherently biases your subjective opinion. You can guarantee that in a true double blinded comparison the difference would be much less. Psychology is a powerful, reality-bending thing.

Not so fast there. One system I demo'ed was at a hifi repair shop. The technician had a system playing some live acoustic jazz in the back room that I'd swear was an actual performance. When I asked about it, he took me back for a listen. It was amazing, the stereo effect was 100%. It was completely life-like and could point out each player on the stage. It wasn't until I was leaving that he told me what the system was worth and only after I asked, and it wasn't the price that impressed me. I've also demo'ed $$$ systems in stereo stores that were touted as their "best" which were no better than my home hifi setup that cost me about $3500 to put together. As far as ipods (I own one), they suck relatively speaking but you can't beat the convenience of using one. I hate to sound snobbish, but educated ears can hear the difference and it ain't trivial. It's like the difference between cheap blended scotch and fine aged single malt: if you don't know anything about scotch, it doesn't really matter which you are drinking.

That's all well and good. But what "mechanical distortion" has anyone ever encountered (no, "breaking" doesn't count) in a DVD player that prompted one to think that maybe Goldmund was a solution?

There's a good reason why error checking is inherent in any digital signal; take it from someone who spent 3 years majoring in math. After all, the player is reading "1"s and "0"s. How good a player is at REPRODUCING an image/sound is key, of course, but I have never heard of "mechanical distortion" being a factor in a static processor.

[JohnnyMalaria]

[One system I demo'ed was at a hifi repair shop. The technician had a system playing some live acoustic jazz in the back room that I'd swear was an actual performance. When I asked about it, he took me back for a listen. It was amazing, the stereo effect was 100%. It was completely life-like and could point out each player on the stage.

Jazz and classical recordings are famous for their technical quality. It is quite common for such recordings to sound good even on lesser systems. Simple stereo miking can give impressive results as can binaural recordings with headphones.

The problem that most people have is that they buy expensive kit and then set it up in a room that is an acoustic nightmare. Unless you have a perfect listening room and your head is always placed in the right place and you don't move etc etc then you should experience the true quality intended by the obviously capable manufacturer. But most people who spend silly amounts of money do the equivalent of buying a Ferrari and racking up all its miles in traffic jams.

[DereX888]

Not long ago I was part of the test.
When people saw the players, maority said the iPod had the best sound quality, second was some S*ny :]
When they all heard music only and didn't see any devices, the iPod was not even in the best 5, and so was the S*ny

Was this test published anywhere? I'd like to read it.

LOL
Obviously it never saw the light of day, otherwise I would be pasting links on every stupid iPod message boards if it would (yeah, I'm a "hater" as some dumb Apple-cult-followers said )
It was made by order of a completely unknown marketing research company based in Wyoming IIRC (I could dig the details, but I can bet that company was created for just this one-time deal), conducted in selected canadian and american universities on 50-200 participants (among other: McGill and UCLA, IIRC).
I heard rumours in the office back then it was for S*ny or Samsung, but no one could prove either one. Personally I thought it was Apple's test, because iPods were prominently displayed (usually a hint to who order such market test). And they paid well though, which is very S*ny unlike

[dadrab]

I hate to sound snobbish, but educated ears can hear the difference and it ain't trivial.

Maybe, but I can guarantee you I can build a system using readily available, reasonably priced components for less than $1,000 that you can't tell from $15,000 rig. Whereas it's true you won't buy these pieces from WallyWorld or Best Buy, you won't have to search the world over or break the bank.

It's just a matter of paying attention to specs., knowing what the specs. mean, and coupling the right components.

Having the right space in which to set the gear up makes a world of difference too, as someone has already mentioned.

Educated ears can absolutely tell the difference between nice equipment and cheap shit, but getting superb sound doesn't mean hocking your car.

An IPod won't ever get you there. Apple's "lossless" compression is anything but... Amplify the sound from a "Pod" and it begins to sound like someone pissed on a speaker instantly.

The same principle applies to video. One can get to the good place without a second mortgage.

...just got to pay attention...

[TheFamilyMan]

I hate to sound snobbish, but educated ears can hear the difference and it ain't trivial.

Maybe, but I can guarantee you I can build a system using readily available, reasonably priced components for less than $1,000 that you can't tell from $15,000 rig. Whereas it's true you won't buy these pieces from WallyWorld or Best Buy, you won't have to search the world over or break the bank.

It's just a matter of paying attention to specs., knowing what the specs. mean, and coupling the right components.

Having the right space in which to set the gear up makes a world of difference too, as someone has already mentioned.

Educated ears can absolutely tell the difference between nice equipment and cheap shit, but getting superb sound doesn't mean hocking your car.

An IPod won't ever get you there. Apple's "lossless" compression is anything but... Amplify the sound from a "Pod" and it begins to sound like someone pissed on a speaker instantly.

The same principle applies to video. One can get to the good place without a second mortgage.

...just got to pay attention...

I completely agree with you!!!!

My point is NOT that you have to spend $15000 for the 'best', it's that some 'overly expensive' equipment has merit. As for me, unless I won the lottery, I'd never spend that kind on money for hifi / home entertainment gear. As for JohnnyMalaria's reply: definately! Recording quality and listening environment makes a huge difference. Reputable hifi dealers wil let you demo equipment (sometimes just the speakers) in your home before purchasing. Idiots who think "gosh, something this expensive must be the best" (translated: look at me with my expensive toys) get what they deserve.

[dadrab]

My point is NOT that you have to spend $15000 for the 'best', it's that some 'overly expensive' equipment has merit. As for me, unless I won the lottery, I'd never spend that kind on money for hifi / home entertainment gear. As for JohnnyMalaria's reply: definately! Recording quality and listening environment makes a huge difference. Reputable hifi dealers wil let you demo equipment (sometimes just the speakers) in your home before purchasing. Idiots who think "gosh, something this expensive must be the best" (translated: look at me with my expensive toys) get what they deserve.

You're absolutely right, of course. We're saying basically the same thing.

I've got to tell you, though...even if I DID win the lottery (damn, that'd be nice), I don't believe I'd drop a princely sum on stereo equipment to replace what I have now. It'd all be for show.

During a recent gathering at our house where we watched "Saving Private Ryan," there were people looking behind them to find the richochets.

[45tripp]

All kidding aside, there is a difference between a $300 Denon player and a $30 Coby player...

my best friend bought a denon 3x that quite a few years back.
I think it's shit :P

During a recent gathering at our house where we watched "Saving Private Ryan," there were people looking behind them to find the richochets.

i'd take an invite to that,
although,
i don't think i would ever willingly watch 'ryan' again...

[dadrab]

i'd take an invite to that,
although,
i don't think i would ever willingly watch 'ryan' again...

If Triptonia is anyplace near Georgia, you're welcome any time.

We can watch something a little lighter too.

[DereX888]

During a recent gathering at our house where we watched "Saving Private Ryan," there were people looking behind them to find the richochets.

i'd take an invite to that,
although,
i don't think i would ever willingly watch 'ryan' again...

"Ryan" is great war movie, goes well with "Band of Brothers"

I'm surprised however.
These people never had any surround/ac3/dts sound systems at home? Never been to theaters?

I remember when my friends were looking behind them too surprised at first with the sound, but we were kids and it was in the early 90's when my Dad had one of those first stereo hi-fi VCRs properly set up with amp and speakers... yet almost 20 years later people are *still* surprised? I know that many people don't use anything else but their TV's built-in speakers at home, but still... surround sound effect shouldn't surprise anyone nowadays Stereo + surround VHS tapes were out there for as long as I can remember, it is hardly any new feature on HD-DVD or BR-DVD (or DVD-Videos before), they only got more channels and higher sound quality compared to what old VHS had, but anyways flat spatial sound recreation is nothing new
IMHO on most of the movies there is hardly any spatial sound difference between old 2.1 and current best 7.1 DTS EX

[Video Head]

"This is a bit sad actually. Goldmund posted a picture of the inside of this player. It uses the EXACT same Pioneer audio and video boards as well as the transport mechanism. They replaced the plastic tray with a metal one (looks better but no change in performance). They put in their own power supply and an very cheap output connection board. So given all of that, let's assume that it's about $1000 of Pioneer parts (Assuming it's the Elite boards), a chassis, and a power supply.

If it were a ground-up player (A nearly $1,000,000 investment for a company) then I would back this entirely. BUT IT IS NOT. The guys at Goldmund must have balls so large they have to be driven around in a cart - there's no way they could walk around! What a scam..."


http://www.avrevforum.com/showthread.php?p=12584#post12584

What??? An onboard power supply!!! That simply will not do! When I pay $17K for a player I expect an offboard power supply that can be mounted in the next county...think of all the RF interferance! My poor ears and eyes! And what would the Jones's say when they saw that!

[Video Head]

I only know that serious audiophiles really prefer taking the time to learn
how to build vacuum-tube audio amplifiers by their own hands.

I once visited Henry Kloss of Advent, KLH and Acoustic Research fame in 1976 at his Cambridge, MA colonial style home. He was proud to give us a tour of his vacuum-tube/CRT lab in the basement. He was doing his Advent video Beam CRT projector development at the time. Most every room of the house was a lab for some idea or another. I envied him for a wife that would tolerate all the chaos. That was my kind of audio-video guy!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kloss RIP

...

edDV:

Thanks for the referance to the late, great Mr. Kloss. I always considered him and Mr. Carver to be the great innovators of the industry. Both always seemed much more concerned with making the best rather than making money. Funny how the money always seemed to follow them though. I still have a set of KLH loudspeakers...about 75 pounds each (no thief is ever going to run down the street with those!). I had ten A/R separates in one of my cars and traded it in with the speakers still in it...don't miss the car none, but I still think about those speakers...thanks again.

[45tripp]

If Triptonia is anyplace near Georgia, you're welcome any time.

We can watch something a little lighter too.

thanks

Triptonia is in Europe

I can handle most content.

"Ryan" is great war movie,

.......
i'll not derail the thread with an opinion too strong.
instead i'll say something nice, i'll always love Spielberg.



tripp