HP DVD+R Double Layer Discs

[SEE_Studios]

What program is best for me to burn with these discs, so that I can put two different movies on the disc?

[hech54]

MUCH MUCH MUCH more info is needed.

[SEE_Studios]

Like what?

I am using a LITE ON burner, I also have a SONY burner I can use if need be.

[guns1inger]

There is only one application for burning DL discs, and that is Imgburn. Frankly, I wouldn't use any DVD that HP had it's name on.

Post a media code to find out what it really is under the badge

[SEE_Studios]

Where is the media code?

[guns1inger]

Imgburn or DVD Info Pro or DVD Identifier will tell you

[OneSickPup]

CMC MAG.D01 is the media code for these. Not sure why you need 2 movies on one dvd, but I would stick to separate single layer disks and use quality media. If you have to have dual layer, stick to Verbatim MKM 001 or MKM 003.

[lordsmurf]

If it's not Verbatim DVD+R DL, it's crap.

[jman98]

If it's not Verbatim DVD+R DL, it's crap.

I 100% agree. People who don't use Verbatim DVD+R DL regret it. They post here asking why their burns fail. Any money saved by non-Verbatim discs is wasted on bad burns.

[lordsmurf]

And it's not like it's "our favorite brand" or anything -- it's simply the most reliable disc out there. I don't care who makes it, it just has to be reliable. Sadly, Mitsubishi (Verbatim's owner) seems to be the only one doing it right.

Using other media is costly and unsafe (loss of data).

[vbx]

I also use TDK DL ( Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD+R DL) (Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x)). I burned 20-30 of them with verify on, no problem.

Not the same thing about HP DL: I tried once 3 of them, they all failed one after another, ended up in throwing the whole stack.

[classfour]

vbx - Ritek is only a stone's throw from the CMC MAG "crap media" - pretty much the same thing. DL media is picky, about burn speed, burner, software burning it - you name it.

I have some DL crap media here that will burn fine. It will play fine for awhile....then crap out. Reason: Crap Media.

Why I bought it: $1 per disc instead of the $2.70 being charged for Verbatim Printable DL at the time.

What do I buy now: Verbatim DVD+R DL Branded - I burn the label in with a Casio Disc Title Printer BEFORE I burn the disc.

Reliability: 100%

[vbx]

vbx - Ritek is only a stone's throw from the CMC MAG "crap media" - pretty much the same thing. DL media is picky, about burn speed, burner, software burning it - you name it.

I have some DL crap media here that will burn fine. It will play fine for awhile....then crap out. Reason: Crap Media.

Why I bought it: $1 per disc instead of the $2.70 being charged for Verbatim Printable DL at the time.

What do I buy now: Verbatim DVD+R DL Branded - I burn the label in with a Casio Disc Title Printer BEFORE I burn the disc.

Reliability: 100%

Thanks for your reply. I am new to the DL scene and considered them as they're becoming less expensive. I used alot TDK and Maxell with good results for SL that's why I hoped the DL version would still be ok. I will most probably go for verbatim reliability next...as everybody seems to agree it's the only one.

[Excelsius]

vbx - Ritek is only a stone's throw from the CMC MAG "crap media" - pretty much the same thing. DL media is picky, about burn speed, burner, software burning it - you name it.

I have some DL crap media here that will burn fine. It will play fine for awhile....then crap out. Reason: Crap Media.

Why I bought it: $1 per disc instead of the $2.70 being charged for Verbatim Printable DL at the time.

What do I buy now: Verbatim DVD+R DL Branded - I burn the label in with a Casio Disc Title Printer BEFORE I burn the disc.

Reliability: 100%

I am sorry to be blunt, but it is pure idiocy to claim that anything but Verbatim MKM 003 is crap. This is just further proof that one should never get his information from some dudes at a forum - many of these guys are probably clueless teenagers. Anyway, first of all, if you are going to make claims that ritek S04 is somehow crap compared to MKM 003, I suggest you back up your claims with DATA, not with some useless, wishy-washy opinions. I have different media: Taiyo-Yuden, Verbatim, and recently I also tried TDK DL because 1. it is much cheaper than Verbatim and 2. TY does not make DL DVDs - so much for being caught up with technology. I have read the reports right here on this forum about data where ritek S04 (TDK) was rated just same in tests as Verbatim - only the DVD player reliability was rated mixed fro TDK.

I don't want you to take this as a personal insult - it is general and applied to every poster who continuously expressed these strong, unfounded opinions about media. Bear with me, I will show you how illogical and callow this is:

1. I have done my own tests on both the the Verbatim DVD+R DL (MKM 003) and TDK DVD+R DL (Ritek S04). So, the result showed that the same DVD burned on the same media using the same burner under the same conditions and after six months following the burn showed the maximum of 457 PI Errors for TDK and and 325 PI errors for Verbatim with a total of 1,632,570 for TDK 1,453,947 for Verbatim. Max PI failure was 21 for TDK and 19 for Verbatim and total PI failures were 20,477 for TDK and 36,136 for Verbatim (yes, TDK had 44% less errors here). What is the conclusion here? Well, we would need a much larger pool of data to have any conclusive results (I particularly do not feel like wasting my money and time on useless data like this), but it does tell you that TDK is pretty similar to Verbatim. The bottom line is that I never had any coasters or any burning problems and that's all that matters. I was just curious to take a look at the data myself. So, if you are going to say that TDK (ritek S04) degenerates much more than Verbatim over time, show some PROOF. Your words mean nothing and are misleading the consumers. Some of the other brands made in India where the data shows "poor" results will be worth to stay away from, especially since TDK already has a great price.
2. Now pay attention, intelligent sirs, to this point. You guys seem to be proud of paying $2.70 per Verbatim DL. Well, good for you. I payed for my TDK DVD+R DL 70 CENTS. So, let's do some math please: what is the purpose in buying DVDs? It is to SAVE MONEY. So, how smart is it to pay $2.70 for a blank to illegally copy DVDs and games when you can get many of these games and DVDs for less than $2? Don't believe me? Look here and here. So you spend MORE money to buy the media, illegally copy, spend the time to get a bunch of other software to make the burn, and in the end it costs you way more than buying the damn thing. Please, don't tell me that the original DVD has less quality than your Verbatim! And I assure you, not all original DVDs are MKM 003.

Anyway, I am done with my rant. I don't want to sound offensive, but I did want to make a strong point. After all, for years I was buying only the most expensive media myself. That's because I was young and immature to do my own experiments to verify what is said in these forums as true. Also check out that thread about quickly deteriorating data on Verbatims. I think it was in this forum. Good luck.

[fritzi93]

I don't recall any recent poll, but there are far more members here nearing retirement age than teenagers. Some are professionals in a specialist video field (e.g. Lord Smurf, edDV, et. al.). Others have been video hobbyists of one sort or another for many years. So many of them know a thing or two.

If you understand how recordable reactive-dye optical media works, you realize it's a wonder that *dual-layer* DVD+/-R-DL works at all. Empirically, dual-layer media is never as reliable as single-layer media, but Verbatim is acceptable. Nothing else comes close. Use what you want, you were warned.

[filmboss80]

You can search this forum and find out that the broad consensus on Verbatim DL discs is based on repetitive experience on a number of various DVD players. Sure, some brands will work on a limited number of devices -- especially the ones on which the discs were burned. These are not the unfounded opinions of teenagers, but rather the findings of a number of production service providers who are involved in distribution to an array of users with differing brands of playback devices.

No one's holding a gun to anyone's head, forcing them to buy Verbatims. Just don't whine when others have problems playing back your DL TDKs, Memorex's, HPs, etc.

[vbx]

So, how smart is it to pay $2.70 for a blank to illegally copy DVDs and games when you can get many of these games and DVDs for less than $2? Don't believe me? Look here and here. So you spend MORE money to buy the media, illegally copy, spend the time to get a bunch of other software to make the burn, and in the end it costs you way more than buying the damn thing. .

You forgot the shipping costs for anything less 25 bucks.

other than that very informative reply, I get that the consensus here is reliability/price-wise the answer is single layer.

thanks for your reply.

[Noahtuck]

I don't recall any recent poll, but there are far more members here nearing retirement age than teenagers. Some are professionals in a specialist video field (e.g. Lord Smurf, edDV, et. al.). Others have been video hobbyists of one sort or another for many years. So many of them know a thing or two.

If you understand how recordable reactive-dye optical media works, you realize it's a wonder that *dual-layer* DVD+/-R-DL works at all. Empirically, dual-layer media is never as reliable as single-layer media, but Verbatim is acceptable. Nothing else comes close. Use what you want, you were warned.

I almost replied within minutes of him posting, but i decided not to waste my time telling him the faults of his "wise" post and just wrote him off as a clueless one post wonder troll......

[Excelsius]

I don't recall any recent poll, but there are far more members here nearing retirement age than teenagers. Some are professionals in a specialist video field (e.g. Lord Smurf, edDV, et. al.). Others have been video hobbyists of one sort or another for many years. So many of them know a thing or two.

If you understand how recordable reactive-dye optical media works, you realize it's a wonder that *dual-layer* DVD+/-R-DL works at all. Empirically, dual-layer media is never as reliable as single-layer media, but Verbatim is acceptable. Nothing else comes close. Use what you want, you were warned.

I almost replied within minutes of him posting, but i decided not to waste my time telling him the faults of his "wise" post and just wrote him off as a clueless one post wonder troll......

Nice. And you've been on these boards for nine years? Oh well...


Ok, you guys either did not read everything I wrote or you were not able to understand the point. After I extensively discussed the problems with asserting that everything other than Verbatim DL is “crap” due to absence of scientific evidence, you still went on to tell me, once again, what’s the “consensus” on this forum. Let me try a much more explicit approach: it does NOT matter what the consensus on this or any other forum is. It makes no difference even if 99% of the members are in “consensus.” What I’d like you to produce is SCIENTIFIC data proving that Ritek S04 is crap compared to MKM003. Without such proof, the consensus is just a misinformed bandwagon. And just to be completely clear as to what scientific is, let me outline the experiment for you:

1. You need to choose at least five DVDs MKM003 and five Ritek S04 from DIFFERENT batches/cakes (to avoid manufacturing errors in a single batch)
2. You need to burn IDENTICAL media on both under IDENTICAL conditions using IDENTICAL equipment. This means that you must burn the exact same movie, burn it in the same PC system under identical load, use the same software and DVD drive, and burn the DVDs immediately one after another to make the timing between them as short as possible ensuring that wear and tear and changes in system are not a major factor.
3. The burning should be done in an alternating fashion: Verbatim-TDK-Verbatim-TDK…. 10 times.
4. You need to store the media in identical conditions. I would suggest that the DVDs should not be handled at all (much less played) and should be put away in identical cases and stored for the exact same duration.
5. After 12 months (give or take), both media should be tested again according to conditions outlined in #2 above, i.e., identical conditions.
6. The entire scientific data gathered from the tests should be published – no interpretations necessary.

So, if you do that, come back and show us the results. Only if that data shows significant variation favoring Verbatim will you have any case at all why it is worth paying almost four times as much for a Verbatim (it better be four times as good!). Otherwise, it really doesn’t matter what you say here. It’s all hearsay. And as far as “coasters” are concerned, that will be impossible to test by most people in this forum. There are too many variables: how old is your DVD? Is the laser clean? Is it a cheap DVD? How many times did you scratch the media? Did you store it under the sun/heat? Did you microwave your DVD? You get the idea…

You guys are correct as far as age is concerned. I should have qualified my response: it’s not physical age that matters but overall maturity and the ability to question opinions. If you don’t believe me that age isn’t important, just ask some MILFs, who know plenty of guys in 40s with the maturity level of WoW. Hahahaha. So make sure that you consider that you can buy DVDs almost as cheaply as your blank DVD media and that film companies are not using only MKM003. And this very forum lists Ritek S04 as "good" under all conditions except playing is marked as "mixed," the only advantage MKM003 has over Ritek. I suggest you at least be aware of what the polls in your own forum indicate. Time to wake up!

[filmboss80]

The suggested experiment omits the essential 7th step:

Distribute the discs to 20 different parties to see what percentage of their various DVD players will play said discs. Therein lies the rub. Those of us who are in the business of broadly distributing our works have learned a few lessons that we hoped to share with others, so that they might not encounter the same difficulties we faced.

Damn us all you want for adding our insights, but real-world experience does count for something.

[jman98]

I agree with filmboss80.

And I find it interesting that new member Excelsius suggests a test he is unwilling to do himself. If you care so much, Excelsius, that the "prevailing wisdom" is wrong, then YOU feel free to pay for your own test and do it and post the results here later. Stop telling others to do what you are unwilling to do yourself.

After years of being on this forum it really comes down to this -
Those who use Verbatim RARELY post about burn issues. We get some posts like that, but not a lot.
Those who use ANY other brand of DL media post here crying about why they aren't working and why they keep burning coasters. One need not work really hard to dig up many only posts on the subject.

[Moontrash]

here's what I've been doing for the past 7 yrs with any media i get. get a decent burner (Optiarc/Lite on etc)...Decent media (verbatim/Sony)...Single or Dual Layer is the same to me...i take 3 from each spindle, one from the top, one from the middle and one from the bottom. Burn em, disc quality scan all 3 for errors and if they all have similar scans then that batch is more than likely good. I wont say how many discs I've done in all these years but its enough for me to state that my basic little method has worked good for me. I have gotten some crappy batches in that time but normally l lay them off to the side and use them for friends or family. I wouldn't get too complicated with making sure how good the quality is on every disc you do. Use my method and move on. You don't wanna spend your life wondering/worrying if your discs are all good, that's a waste of time and life

BTW..those HP discs are crap

moontrash

[VegasBud]

Excelsius,

Your base premises are faulty, which invalidates everything that follows in your "logic".

Consumer equipment based media "testing" does not (and cannot) yield "scientific evidence"...there is no (and unlikely to ever be) reliable, publicly available data...so there is no available "proof". I strongly urge you to read this post and this post before continuing to assert that your "testing" is (in any way) more reliable than "opinion".

All that exists (publicly) is anecdotal evidence, which may not be ideal, but if based purely on observation (with no attempt to draw unwarranted conclusions) is substantially better than the alternative...flipping a coin to decide on the best course of action in a given circumstance. The relevance of the anecdotal evidence further increases as the experience and expertise of the contributors increases.

This site is "rich" in members who have been burning dvds since dvds became available, with additional cd burning experience predating the release of dvd media. Dismissing their combined observations, simply because there can be no publicly available "scientific evidence" on the subject, is illogical...and just damn silly.

I also take strong objection to your assessment of what people are burning:

...how smart is it to pay $2.70 for a blank to illegally copy DVDs and games when you can get many of these games and DVDs for less than $2?

Your assumption that everyone here is a "pirate" is not only ridiculous, it's downright insulting. If you had bothered to take a look at what the vast majority of posts at VideoHelp concern, you could hardly miss that most people are obviously creating dvds based on original material. With all the time, effort, and cost that entails, using inferior media (to save a few cents) as the final repository for all that hard work is nonsense.

By the way, where the heck are you getting Verbatim DL for "$2.70 for a blank"? For god's sake, learn how to shop. I've gotten them as cheap as $1.00/disk..and am currently still working my way through the ones I bought for $1.12/disk.

To use your own words:

I am sorry to be blunt, but...

Your words mean nothing and are misleading the consumers.

It would be nice if you would stop doing that.

[VegasBud]

To anyone reading this thread, just looking for good advice, here it is:

Anybody can burn dual layer dvds if they follow just two simple rules:
1.) Use Verbatim +RDL media
2.) Use ImgBurn

Of course, some people refuse to follow rules, even when it's in their best interest to do so..some people believe themselves to be exceptions to the rules, and some people just need to hit their head against the brick wall more than others to learn the same lesson. To each their own.

[Moontrash]

Anybody can burn dual layer dvds if they follow just two simple rules:
1.) Use Verbatim +RDL media
2.) Use ImgBurn

best advice so far

[lordsmurf]

to claim that anything but Verbatim MKM 003 is crap.

MKM001 and MKM002 are quite good, too.

recently I also tried TDK DL because 1. it is much cheaper than Verbatim a

You value price over quality. Good for you. In the long-run however, you're operating from false economy.

I have read the reports right here on this forum about data where ritek S04 (TDK) was rated just same in tests as Verbatim - only the DVD player reliability was rated mixed fro TDK.

You misunderstand media quality. If the TDK won't play in players, what good is the disc? Do you want to burn DVDs knowing they'll fail in a bunch of players or computers? Seriously? Part of grading media is analyzing how it reacts to different drives of varying strength. If you don't understand that, you don't understand media testing. Testing media involves more than running some little program in your home burner drive.

I have done my own tests on both the the Verbatim DVD+R DL (MKM 003) and TDK DVD+R DL (Ritek S04)

If your sample is less than 1,000 discs per ID, spread across several variables, your results are meaningless.

That's because I was young and immature

I would suggest that's still very much the case.

So, how smart is it to pay $2.70 for a blank to illegally copy DVDs and games when you can get many of these games and DVDs for less than $2?

I don't much see the point in copying DVDs. I much prefer to create my own content, or content for clients.

By the way, where the heck are you getting Verbatim DL for "$2.70 for a blank"? For god's sake, learn how to shop. .

Indeed. Verbatim DVD+R DL 20-packs have been $26 at Amazon for at least a year now. I would actually suggest that somebody claiming Verbatim discs are $2.70 has not actually bought any of them. Either that, or that person is a complete dumbass when it comes to shopping.

[Excelsius]

Pretty interesting replies. Why are you getting so defensive and touchy? This is a general discussion. I am not pointing a finger at any one of you. Learn to take some goddamn healthy criticism. Here are replies to some points

The suggested experiment omits the essential 7th step:

Distribute the discs to 20 different parties to see what percentage of their various DVD players will play said discs. Therein lies the rub. Those of us who are in the business of broadly distributing our works have learned a few lessons that we hoped to share with others, so that they might not encounter the same difficulties we faced.

Damn us all you want for adding our insights, but real-world experience does count for something.

Not at all, your insights are appreciated, but you need to ALWAYS keep in mind that your insights are unscientific and when you are asked to back up your claims, a simple "I can't" will suffice. But some people seem to go into fits. I agree with your seventh step, but as I said, most people here will be unable to perform it with much precision, as can be seen by misguided "impossible experiment" claims.

[Excelsius]

...

And I find it interesting that new member Excelsius suggests a test he is unwilling to do himself. If you care so much, Excelsius, that the "prevailing wisdom" is wrong, then YOU feel free to pay for your own test and do it and post the results here later. Stop telling others to do what you are unwilling to do yourself.

After years of being on this forum it really comes down to this -
Those who use Verbatim RARELY post about burn issues. We get some posts like that, but not a lot.
Those who use ANY other brand of DL media post here crying about why they aren't working and why they keep burning coasters. One need not work really hard to dig up many only posts on the subject.

I don't even know where to start with this. Here is a hint: when you make a claim of crapiness, you need to corroborate YOUR claim. I don't have to do your dirty laundry because as you tried guessing, I really don't care so much about this to do the experiment myself. I got better things to do then hang around a forum discussing all the useless minutae of this media vs the other. What I am talking about here is the absurdity of making absolute claims about which you don't have any proof. And if every bright spark made a claim and left it for others to prove that he or she is correct, where would this world head? You sorely need to learn a thing or two about "burden of proof." Really.

So let me show you how your logic is faulty: you claim that Verbatim is good BECAUSE you get so much fewer complaints about it on this forum. Well, did you ever think about the part that the majority of people crazy enough to shell out big bucks for a Verbatim would very knowledgeable about the burning process in the first place? Do you see where am I going with this? Do you see why we need a scientific method. If you don't get my point, I don't mind elaborating.

[Excelsius]

Excelsius,

Your base premises are faulty, which invalidates everything that follows in your "logic".

Consumer equipment based media "testing" does not (and cannot) yield "scientific evidence"...there is no (and unlikely to ever be) reliable, publicly available data...so there is no available "proof". I strongly urge you to read this post and this post before continuing to assert that your "testing" is (in any way) more reliable than "opinion".

All that exists (publicly) is anecdotal evidence, which may not be ideal, but if based purely on observation (with no attempt to draw unwarranted conclusions) is substantially better than the alternative...flipping a coin to decide on the best course of action in a given circumstance. The relevance of the anecdotal evidence further increases as the experience and expertise of the contributors increases.

This site is "rich" in members who have been burning dvds since dvds became available, with additional cd burning experience predating the release of dvd media. Dismissing their combined observations, simply because there can be no publicly available "scientific evidence" on the subject, is illogical...and just damn silly.

I also take strong objection to your assessment of what people are burning:

...how smart is it to pay $2.70 for a blank to illegally copy DVDs and games when you can get many of these games and DVDs for less than $2?

Your assumption that everyone here is a "pirate" is not only ridiculous, it's downright insulting. If you had bothered to take a look at what the vast majority of posts at VideoHelp concern, you could hardly miss that most people are obviously creating dvds based on original material. With all the time, effort, and cost that entails, using inferior media (to save a few cents) as the final repository for all that hard work is nonsense.

By the way, where the heck are you getting Verbatim DL for "$2.70 for a blank"? For god's sake, learn how to shop. I've gotten them as cheap as $1.00/disk..and am currently still working my way through the ones I bought for $1.12/disk.

To use your own words:

I am sorry to be blunt, but...

Your words mean nothing and are misleading the consumers.

It would be nice if you would stop doing that.

VegasDude, I could probably spend pages and pages showing to you how every single one of your points is not only wrong, but illogical. But I think that you're someone who's set in his ways, so there is no point. I will just point out a couple of points. Your reference posts were entertaining. You basically concluded that our regular drives are so bad that they cannot tell the difference in quality between Verbatim and any other DVD, yet Verbatim is the best! Do understand what you did there? To give you an analogy: someone swears by $15,000 monitors for cars because they have a superior quality even though while you're in the car you cannot tell the difference in the quality of sound between these expensive monitors and those crappy $20 speakers sold at Radioshack.

As for the bolded part, the answer awaits you in a response to another member who called such a purchase worthy of a "dumbass." For holy mackerel's sake, read before you post guys.

[Excelsius]

to claim that anything but Verbatim MKM 003 is crap.

MKM001 and MKM002 are quite good, too.

recently I also tried TDK DL because 1. it is much cheaper than Verbatim a

You value price over quality. Good for you. In the long-run however, you're operating from false economy.

I have read the reports right here on this forum about data where ritek S04 (TDK) was rated just same in tests as Verbatim - only the DVD player reliability was rated mixed fro TDK.

You misunderstand media quality. If the TDK won't play in players, what good is the disc? Do you want to burn DVDs knowing they'll fail in a bunch of players or computers? Seriously? Part of grading media is analyzing how it reacts to different drives of varying strength. If you don't understand that, you don't understand media testing. Testing media involves more than running some little program in your home burner drive.

I have done my own tests on both the the Verbatim DVD+R DL (MKM 003) and TDK DVD+R DL (Ritek S04)

If your sample is less than 1,000 discs per ID, spread across several variables, your results are meaningless.

That's because I was young and immature

I would suggest that's still very much the case.

So, how smart is it to pay $2.70 for a blank to illegally copy DVDs and games when you can get many of these games and DVDs for less than $2?

I don't much see the point in copying DVDs. I much prefer to create my own content, or content for clients.

By the way, where the heck are you getting Verbatim DL for "$2.70 for a blank"? For god's sake, learn how to shop. .

Indeed. Verbatim DVD+R DL 20-packs have been $26 at Amazon for at least a year now. I would actually suggest that somebody claiming Verbatim discs are $2.70 has not actually bought any of them. Either that, or that person is a complete dumbass when it comes to shopping.

Very interesting post. It's as if we have been talking to the wall up to now. At least now I know that you either did not read what I said or could not understand it (see my last sentences in this post). I asked about evidence that TDK is inferior in quality, and here you are blabbing on about "false economy" by making the false assumption that TDK does not play in DVDs and that I buy them knowing that. Is this some convoluted thinking or what? Why do think I am here posting? Because I have been using TDK DLs for some time now and have had no problems either with burning or playback in three different DVDs. I can already imagine you thinking "That sample size is to small" etc etc. Doesn't matter. I never said it was enough. I said that there is no scientific evidence showing that ritek S04 is "crap." Comprende?

Frankly, I don't really care about spending much more time on this useless discussion. The only reason I am doing this is for the benefit of future visitors to this site to not be swayed by mere opinions of the members here. And to prove that some of you guys here are such doctrinaires that you don't even care to read what people are saying to you, here is a quote for you and for one other member who questioned the Verbatim price:

vbx - Ritek is only a stone's throw from the CMC MAG "crap media" - pretty much the same thing. DL media is picky, about burn speed, burner, software burning it - you name it.

I have some DL crap media here that will burn fine. It will play fine for awhile....then crap out. Reason: Crap Media.

Why I bought it: $1 per disc instead of the $2.70 being charged for Verbatim Printable DL at the time.

What do I buy now: Verbatim DVD+R DL Branded - I burn the label in with a Casio Disc Title Printer BEFORE I burn the disc.

Reliability: 100%

Yes, it is the printable version - can't get out of this by pointing that out, sorry. And yes, I haven't bought Verbatim in years, so I relied on one of the experienced members here for Verbatim pricing. So the real question is: who is the the dumbass? Or more correctly at this point in the discussion, who are the dumbasses here? I believe the scientific term is "pwnage." Hahahahahahaha.

Ok, don't take it close to heart. I don't mean to make fun - some harmless discussion here. I just exhort you to stay on topic when you post, that's all. I am going to be out of here soon anyway as there is not more new information being added to this discussion and usability approaches zero as the number of posts approaches infinity. Sounds familiar.