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    Toshiba to exit HD DVD, end format war-NHK
    Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:50am EST


    TOKYO (Reuters) - Toshiba Corp is planning to stop production of equipment compatible with the HD DVD format for high-definition video, allowing the competing Blu-Ray camp a free run, public broadcaster NHK reported on Saturday.

    Toshiba is expected to suffer losses amounting to tens of billions of yen (hundreds of millions of dollars) to scrap production of HD DVD players and recorders and other steps to exit the business, Japan's NHK said on its website.

    No one at Toshiba could be reached for comment.

    The format war between the Toshiba-backed HD DVD and Sony Corp's Blu-Ray, often compared to the Betamax-VHS battle in the 1980s, has slowed the development of what is expected to be a multibillion dollar high-definition DVD industry.

    Toshiba was dealt a blow on Friday when Wal-Mart Stores Inc said it would abandon the HD DVD format, becoming the latest in a series of top retailers and movie studios to rally behind Blu-ray technology for high definition DVDs.

    Toshiba plans to continue selling HD DVD equipment at stores for the time being but will not put resources into developing new devices, NHK said.



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    Did you really need to start yet another HD-DVD is dead thread? Don't the half-dozen or so that are already running say it enough? Is it really necessary to post a link to every "me-too" article that gets published on the web?
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    Originally Posted by gadgetguy
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    Did you really need to start yet another HD-DVD is dead thread? Don't the half-dozen or so that are already running say it enough? Is it really necessary to post a link to every "me-too" article that gets published on the web?
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    Dude: until Toshiba said so on national japanese tv, all your "half-a-dozen threads" were just rumours.
    "I think HD DVD is dead because netflix/walmart/...[insert the name here] switched to BR DVD" is not the same as "Toshiba announces quitting further development of HD-DVD".
    From now on it is not a rumour, but a fact.

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  4. There's nothing in the article about an official announcement from Toshiba, in fact it says no-one at Toshiba could be reached for comment, so it's just another "Me-Too" article.
    But my point is that you didn't need to start yet another thread. Posting the "confirmation" in any of the existing threads would have accomplished the same thing without cluttering up the forum.
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    Agree with DereX888. Unofficial rumours are different than directly from the Horses mouth as they say.
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    OK gadgetguy, just skip this thread like most of us do with the threads not interested in, what is your problem?
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  7. I'm annoyed that there are 5 active threads on the front page discussing the future of HD-DVD. It's idiotic.
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    Originally Posted by gadgetguy
    I'm annoyed that there are 5 active threads on the front page discussing the future of HD-DVD. It's idiotic.
    Its the core nature of the NEWS in case you didn't know... if tomorrow Toshiba announces that quite opposite, they will keep developing HD-DVD gear for the next 5 years at least, someone will (and should) post about it again here in the "latest video news" section, whether you like it or not and regardless of 1000 other threads on the subject

    BTW:
    From what I just check, only 2 threads are basically the same (about walmart ditching HD DVD) just with different subject headers.
    The other threads were started regarding different news as they were developing.
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    Watch the stock on Monday morning ;)
    I suspect the effect on Sony's stock will be much bigger.
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  10. And I'll still be annoyed. You asked what my problem is, so I answered. There was a time when people would look at the current threads to see if the subject is being discussed and just post in an existing thread with new information rather than starting another thread. I guess I just miss those days.
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    Originally Posted by gadgetguy
    And I'll still be annoyed. You asked what my problem is, so I answered. There was a time when people would look at the current threads to see if the subject is being discussed and just post in an existing thread with new information rather than starting another thread. I guess I just miss those days.
    You know what, YOU are annoying now.
    Where do you think the announcement about Toshiba ceasing development of HD-DVD fits better: in a "walmart goes blueray" thread, or in a "NetFlix Drops HD DVD" or maybe in a "Considering blue poo is supposed be winning whats going on?" thread?
    Dude...

    and BTW, you picked on a wrong guy. I'm not a "post whore" here, you can count my posts in the news section on your fingers probably, because rarely anything is important enough to report about it (to me). I couldn't care less what junk walmart wants to stock on their shelves, but corporation throwing a towel in the heat of the format war IMHO *is THE news* to post in this section.
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  12. How about the "HD DVD Finished" thread that was started Jan 30th? The title says it all and all of the Walmart/NetFlix/Whoever announcements would have added to the thread nicely (and if fact did). All of these other superfluous threads just fragment the information and make the subject harder to follow.

    Edit: BTW, I'm not picking on you, per se. Your thread just happened to be the one that tipped me over. I could care less about how many posts you make. Make as many (or few) posts as you like, about whatever subject you like. I'd just like that if it's already a subject being discussed, that you use the existing thread. Having said that, I realize it's not my forum and people will do whatever they want, but doesn't mean I have to like it or keep quiet about it.
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    Originally Posted by gadgetguy
    How about the "HD DVD Finished" thread that was started Jan 30th? The title says it all and all of the Walmart/NetFlix/Whoever announcements would have added to the thread nicely (and if fact did). All of these other superfluous threads just fragment the information and make the subject harder to follow.
    OK, mr.threadcrapper, next time before I post I'll consult it with you first (if I'll remember)
    Now post something ON THE SUBJECT or ... (you know the rest, right? )
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  15. Ok. The report you linked to is not news at all. It does not, in fact, quote Toshiba as having announced that it has thrown in the towel. It is a report about someone else (NHK) reporting that Toshiba will throw it in, but so far it's unsubstantiated. That's what "No-one from Toshiba could be reached for comment" means. This is sloppy reporting at best. Toshiba may very well be planning to call it quits and it wouldn't surprise me, but this "news report" neither confirms nor denies it. It's still just speculation at this point.
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    Originally Posted by gadgetguy
    Ok. The report you linked to is not news at all. It does not, in fact, quote Toshiba as having announced that it has thrown in the towel. It is a report about someone else (NHK) reporting that Toshiba will throw it in, but so far it's unsubstantiated. That's what "No-one from Toshiba could be reached for comment" means. This is sloppy reporting at best. Toshiba may very well be planning to call it quits and it wouldn't surprise me, but this "news report" neither confirms nor denies it. It's still just speculation at this point.
    News itself is from NHK television. As most people can't read japanese, I had to rely on first english language translation I found at the morning (which is Reuters).
    The "No-one from Toshiba could be reached for comment" is from Reuters, not from NHK, do you understand the difference?

    Also you could just check reuters.com and see follow-up instead of making a fool of yourself here:

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    Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war: source
    Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:59am EST

    TOKYO (Reuters) - Toshiba Corp is planning to give up on its HD DVD format for high-definition video, conceding defeat to the competing Blu-Ray technology backed by Sony Corp, a company source said on Saturday.

    Japanese public broadcaster NHK had earlier reported that Toshiba would suffer losses in the tens of billions of yen (hundreds of millions of dollars) as it scrapped production of HD DVD players and recorders and took other steps to exit the business.

    The company source told Reuters that Toshiba is in the final stages of planning to exit the HD DVD business and that an official decision would be made soon.

    (Reporting by Mayumi Negishi, Kentaro Hamada and Nathan Layne)

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    correct link:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL1637974620080216


    now you have it confirmed by "the Reuters' source" too


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    and there is more to it:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL1643184420080216

    apologies for mess with links, but seems as reuters is updating the story and there is more links every time I check it and more updates; just go to the first link and check "related news"
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  17. How is pointing out the faults of the original report making a fool of myself? The subsequent report emphasizes what I said about the original report. This time they got the reporting right. Doesn't change my original opinion of this thread being superfluous, but at least this time the reporting is better.
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    Originally Posted by gadgetguy
    How is pointing out the faults of the original report making a fool of myself? The subsequent report emphasizes what I said about the original report. This time they got the reporting right. Doesn't change my original opinion of this thread being superfluous, but at least this time the reporting is better.
    and it doesnt change my opinion on your threadcrapping either.
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  19. I would have to agree with DereX888. This deserves a thread of its own. I hope this will be the last thread though. It will be strange not hearing BD vs HD DVD debates anymore
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    It will be strange not hearing BD vs HD DVD debates anymore
    Don't you believe it! Denial is a powerful thing.
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    I would have to agree with DereX888. This deserves a thread of its own. I hope this will be the last thread though. It will be strange not hearing BD vs HD DVD debates anymore
    Its been less than 2 years only, hehe.
    There were less important subjects we discussed here much longer than that


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    /.../ Sony has spent large sums of money to promote Blu-ray in tandem with its flat screen TVs and its PlayStation 3 game console, which can play Blu-ray movies.

    The Toshiba source said the experience would not be a total loss for the sprawling conglomerate, whose products range from refrigerators to power plants, which would learn valuable lessons.

    "Marketing was a weak point for Toshiba. We learned a lot from HD DVD. Strengthening marketing will continue to be an issue for us going forward," the source said. /.../

    Well, d'oh!
    They should ask Apple to do the marketing for them next time LOL
    If you compete against 1000 times bigger corporation, obviously you should have hired top marketing dogs, otherwise it was pointless from beginning. What were their CEOs thinking? ROTFL
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  23. I've said it before -when HD-DVD 1st came out actually- and i'll say it again, there was naver a format war. HD-DVD was never Betamax, it really wasn't even Video 2000. People actually BOUGHT and USED Video 2000 recorders, as proven i can, after 30 years still find them easely (got 3 of em actually, and more beta's). Let's see how many HD-DVD players will be around in 10 years. My bet is on zero.
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    Raffie! This is a DereX888 and gadgetguy centric thread!
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  25. This does deserve its own thread.. as to it stopping any discussions, I dont think so! for starters ...Why did HD-dvd fail? Blu-ray vs Downloading ? Blu-ray vs HVD? What next for Blu-ray? Blu-ray ate my babies!

    raffie as to video2000 Yes I used to have one these, and loved it, however a video recorder still has its uses.. (good luck on getting the tapes though). I bet there will be at least three Hd-dvd players around in ten years .@.Derex888.. the Toshiba reception..and the Science museum.

    I suppose they failed because they failed to get machines on the market and they also failed to get other mfrs interested.

    HD-DVD is dead... long live ...
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    Raffie! This is a DereX888 and gadgetguy centric thread!
    Naw, anyone can join in the fun.
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    Well maybe the war isn't over yet. Wasn't there a thread the other week about another competiting high def format? I can't remember the name but it was supposed to be something that would come out. I know people in that thread wanted them to come out with affordable burners and authoring software.

    Although I don't think it has corporate backing like toshiba did with hddvd it might be enough to be a fringe outlet like svcd was - not mainstream but a useable alternative. Who knows? It might happen. Though probably not with mainstay hollywood films - me thinks that Sony finally conqured that area.....
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    I suspect the effect on Sony's stock will be much bigger.
    Unlikely. It's easier for stock to tank than it is to see a sudden jump in value.

    Sony is dealing with their own "losses" (on overly high sales speculation), including PS3 sales, which stagnate compared to the Wii. People STILL line up at the store waiting for a Wii, while PS3 is easy to find, often with dust collecting on the boxes.

    Both Toshiba and Sony do many products, so failure or success at any one product will have only small affects to the overall bottom line.

    To say that Toshiba will lose "hundreds of millions of dollars" is not actual money, but modern bullshit stock market talk. Toshiba may loses hundreds of thousands of dollars on HD-DVD product equipment, maybe even a few millions, a lot of the "hundreds of millions" is money Toshiba won't be making that was originally speculated. I'm always speechless when "loss" is used by Wall Street, as a way to discuss money desired (planned) but not made. If I said "I want to make an extra $1,000 mowing lawns this year" as a New Year's resolution, and only managed to bank $900, Wall Street would say I had a 10% loss for the year. How the hell does that work?

    The other issues is this: Sony may have "won" a war, but remember it's a war nobody asked for. The victory may be minor at best. People still have to actually go and buy Blu-Ray, and they're not doing it. They weren't buying HD-DVD either. This is a pissing match between the studios to date, with the consumer mostly not caring. Of all the people I know, I'm a minority in the area of DVD players/recorders. Most folks seem to be using on-demand and DVRs now, with no need for fragile discs. That trend is likely to continue, and the next big format is still likely to be using solid-state (which continues to both fall in price AND get bigger than a disc, up to 64GB at the moment).
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    I'm always speechless when "loss" is used by Wall Street, as a way to discuss money desired (planned) but not made. If I said "I want to make an extra $1,000 mowing lawns this year" as a New Year's resolution, and only managed to bank $900, Wall Street would say I had a 10% loss for the year. How the hell does that work?
    Stock prices are based on what investors think is going to happen in the future. Nobody cares about yesterday except to the extent it indicates what may happen in the future.
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  30. Toshiba's stock jumped 5% because of the news:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7250068.stm

    Finally we can say HD-DVD is dead.
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