Question about Taiyo Yuden DVD-R discs

[oldandinthe way]

I have been unable to find any reference to what specific disks the DVDForum has denounced. But the only references I can find online are the TY thin disk references.

I continue to consider myself very lucky that my equipment is tolerant of just about any media. The advantages of being a "late-adopter".

[lordsmurf]

I have been unable to find any reference to what specific disks the DVDForum has denounced. But the only references I can find online are the TY thin disk references. I continue to consider myself very lucky that my equipment is tolerant of just about any media. The advantages of being a "late-adopter".

I've been given information on them 2-3 times. At first I had a hard time believing it. Then I saw one.

[SCDVD]

Only the scum of the earth would make a disc like this. Now that we have defined the character of this "manufacturer", there is another aspect to keep in mind - these low lives also copy Media IDs and Taiyo Yuden is the biggest target to copy. The result of this is that the consumer buys garbage and Taiyo Yuden gets its name besmirched because the consumer wrongly thinks he bought Taiyo Yuden media. Now for the "dumb-ass" part. Only a dumb-ass would perpetuate a story like this. Companies like Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim wouldn't stoop to something like this.

[lordsmurf]

It was indeed a forged TY ID on the discs, yes. They appear mostly in Asia and Australia.

[oldandinthe way]

Obviously putting a TY mediaID on crap like LS describes is criminal. Selling it at all is criminal.

But there are other fake IDs which exist because of the lack of cooperation of hardware makes in updating their firmware for media makers. In many cases this is the only way for them to enter the market. Obviously this is self defeating because their media winds up being written with an incorrect write strategy much of the time and may be inferior to its performance with a correct write strategy.

Sometimes the results are good. There seem to be reports of good success with PlayO and other made in china 16x media with an MCC mediaID. My own experience has been positive but I make no effort to seek out this media.

[shirasuwanum]

I had a weird experience with TY TG02 media: For over a year, I used TGO2 Value Line purchased from Shop4Tech. Using an NEC 3530a burner at 8x, I had perhaps 4 coasters per 100-pack (using Nero 7). At least some of the failures were undoubtedly due to my simultaneously using the computer for other functions (WinRaring, downloading, compressing, splitting, etc) - I'm sure I caused buffer underruns.

Anyway, I was happy with the 96% success rate over perhaps 10 spindles. Then, in the MIDDLE of one TY spindle, I started getting FREQUENT failures - maybe 2 out of 3. Same burner, same computer, same s/w, same burn speed, same everything. In other words, first 50 DVDs in the spindle: Wonderful. Last 50: lots of failures. In the middle of that failure run, I started using Nero 8. No joy. Then I tried a Philips burner. Still no joy.

Anyway, I re-ordered from Shop4Tech, and my Value Lines this time were TG03s. Back to the old success rate with the NEC burner. Now I've again re-ordered, and received TG02s. Still success.

So it looks like one can get a bad batch of TY DVDs in the middle of a spindle. Weird.

[oldandinthe way]

I think a 4% failure rate is high.

My experience is under 1% with a wide variety of media. All burns at 16x or 18x where drives have the capability. 8x on my laptop. And I never use TY, it is not convenient to purchase.

[slacker]

For what it's worth regarding the "thinner" TY disks...

I have been buying ONLY Taiyo Yuden (DVD+R47SPYSB8) 8X DVD+R 4.7GB Silver Inkjet Printable Blank Media on spindles (100) for about two years from both supermediastore and meritline. I have never had a coaster, ever, from approx 1000 burns.

I have always noticed that the discs felt "substantial" in my hand, and have an irregular edge around the perimeter, very different from "normal" discs my kids purchase at Best Buy or whatever.

Beginning several months ago, the same discs from Meritline (DVD+R47SPYSB8) have become both thinner and lighter, and have a very smooth edge. They are very, very different from the ones I have received over the last two years.

Whether they are of lower quality or not, I can't say. So far I haven't had any bad burns. (It's the archive quality I care about, and I can't measure this until some time lapses.) BUT THEY ARE WITHOUT A DOUBT PHYSICALLY DIFFERENT.

I just ordered another batch today, so I will see if they also are thinner and lighter.

Mark