Problem with Vobblanker

[m-man]

my problem is with VOBLANKER, vob blanker is the program i am using to remove parts of dvds before i go to dvd shrink,
the problem is that after i burn the movie and put in in a player and play, the subtitiles are on, you can go back to the menu and turn them off, but if you remove the disc and put it in another player and play, subtitles are on.

how do i fix this?

thanks

[Baldrick]

pgcedit! http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/2cool/subtitles/subtitles_off_d...lt_pgcedit.htm

You can also change it dvd shrink I guess, see http://www.dvdshrink.info/guides/forcing_subtitles.gif

[manono]

the problem is that after i burn the movie and put in in a player and play, the subtitiles are on, you can go back to the menu and turn them off, but if you remove the disc and put it in another player and play, subtitles are on.

How do you know it's VobBlanker doing it to you, and not DVD Shrink? I use VobBlanker probably every day of my life and have never seen that behavior. On the other hand, I never use Shrink. My guess is it's related to the remapping of the audio and sub streams that Shrink does. If you remove any audio or subs when using Shrink, then the DVD gets messed up when you stick the Shrink reauthored DVD back into the original. To correct the problem, before burning to disc follow Step 9 of this guide here:

http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/guides/VobBlanker/adding_menus/index.htm

[m-man]

that is a good point, i will take a look at shrink, however, i have never noticed any kind of setting or anything that could do somehting like this

the only think that even mentions subtitles in all the setting is
"disable all subpicture, except menus and forced streams"
it is checked, i dont really know what that means, but ill try unckecking it

by the way, in dvd shrink what does "logical remapping of enabled streams" mean?

[m-man]

i tired it with "diable all subpicture, except menus and forced streams" unchecked, but to no avail

[manono]

Does it happen to all DVDs, the retail DVDs you bought as well as the ones you've done yourself? The reason I ask is that you may have set up your player to always play the subtitles. I've done that with mine as I often watch late at night with the audio down because of others in the house being asleep.

Anyway, if worse comes to worst, you might have to follow the guide to which Baldrick linked. Then the subs shouldn't play unless you explicitely turn them on in the menu or using the remote control (or maybe you're not putting the menu back into the DVD when done). The guide is much easier to follow than it might look at first glance. For maybe 95% of the DVDs, you just add a blank command a NOP) as the last precommand in the menu and then do the SetSTM thing. Once you've done it a couple of times, it'll take all of about 30 seconds to do.

by the way, in dvd shrink what does "logical remapping of enabled streams" mean?

Although it doesn't mean exactly that it's going to turn on a sub, I was thinking (or hoping) that your problem was a related byproduct of it. When you remove an audio and/or subtitle stream, say numbers 2 and 3 of a 4 stream audio, rather than keeping the remaining ones as numbers 1 and 4, they now become numbers 1 and 2. This can mess up the audio and/or subtitle menus unless you follow that step 9 in the guide to get it fixed. It's no problem if you don't keep the menus. The alternative would have been to keep them as 1 and 4 and have 2 empty streams as numbers 2 and 3.

[m-man]

ok guys, here's the new deal, i have 3 dvd players in my house,
i used pgc edit to add the commands like it said, i burned it again, put it in my 1st player, and it now works correctly, subtitles start off, off, as they should, put it into my 2nd player, and it puts the subtitles up as default again, there is no such option or setting in the players menu for subtitles, i put the disc in the 3rd player, and it works good, with the subtitles off.

i dont understand how 2 would work and one wouldn't
... but at least im getting closer.

[manono]

Now 2 don't play the subs, where before all 3 played them? What about regular store-bought retail DVDs? Does this player with a mind of its own also play those subs automatically? But like you said, at least you're making progress. I hope you're testing with DVD-RWs, and not wasting a bunch of DVDRs.

I know how to make them not play even on that 3rd player (I think), but it will mean disabling the subtitles menu. Afterwards you won't be able to set up subtitles in the Subtitles menu. You'll have to wait until the movie starts if you want subs, and then turn them on using the remote control. I do it sometimes to turn on subs when doing it in the menu pre-commands doesn't work. Sometimes these subtitle control commands are between the menu and the movie itself, and turning them on (or off) following the guide just doesn't work.

Open the DVD in PGCEdit. Rather than creating a NOP and then the SetSTN thing in the last menu pre-command, highlight the movie itself and create the NOP followed by the SetSTN as the last movie precommand. That way, no matter what commands have been issued earlier, the last one it sees before the movie starts will be the one not to play any subs. That's a pretty drastic step to take, though.

[m-man]

ok, well i talked to my father today, who has burned himself, the same disc, from an original, he just uses dvd shrink, and his disc puts up subtitles on his player, so it must be this perticular movie, which is James Burke: Connections II, just so you know, so im going to burn my final copy the way i have it working on most of my players,
thank you everyone for your help