Pioneer DVR-115

[pepegot1]

Does this Burner (IDE) have an 80 pin or a 40 pin connector?

[aedipuss]

needs 80 wire cable. both 40 and 80 use same connector.

[Seeker47]

needs 80 wire cable. both 40 and 80 use same connector.

Ever since the 111 model, I believe. Haven't several other mfr.s -- such as Plextor -- been following suit ?

It's amazing this hasn't become more of an issue that people regularly trip over. By now, most retail box motherboards should routinely include this type of cable, but I'm not at all sure that they do. (Maybe most new buyers have been moving to SATA burners ?) And most of the external enclosures being sold still do not have the right cabling or the right chipset to support these non-SATA burners, which have only been on the market for two years now. I still need to dig through some threads here, to find out just which of these external USB enclosures will work.

[obs]

You don't *need* an 80 wire cable. 40 wire is capable of UDMA33 (Ultra DMA Mode 2), with a bandwidth of 33MB/s. 16x DVD is ~22MB/s.

If you're buying IDE cables these days, no reason to get a 40 one, but if you have a 40 one lying around, begging to be used, then it's perfectly fine.

However, if you're going to be doing burning and reading simultaneously from devices connected to the same cable, you're probably better off with an 80 wire cable.

[[_chef_]]

Does this Burner (IDE) have an 80 pin or a 40 pin connector?

IDE for HH sized drives is always 40 pin, but there are 80wire and 40 wire ide/ATAPI cables.
You should use an 80wire ide cable for the DVR-115. Like Pioneer says itself, "its not mandatory but necessary if you want to burn at higher speeds like 16x!".

Saying that, I can assure you that when you use a 40wire cable with this burner, sooner or later you will have trouble, either by burning with it or trying to flash a new firmware...

Summary: Avoid 40wire ide cables, they are not reliable and not appropriate these days.

[budz]

You don't *need* an 80 wire cable. 40 wire is capable of UDMA33 (Ultra DMA Mode 2), with a bandwidth of 33MB/s. 16x DVD is ~22MB/s.

If you're buying IDE cables these days, no reason to get a 40 one, but if you have a 40 one lying around, begging to be used, then it's perfectly fine.

However, if you're going to be doing burning and reading simultaneously from devices connected to the same cable, you're probably better off with an 80 wire cable.

80 wire ide cables are recommended by manufacturers like PIONEER. Using a 40 wire ide cable will render the drive not to work correctly. I've tested this out where the 40 wire ide cable will not even recognize the dvd burners.

80 wire ide cables are a must!

[Seeker47]

You don't *need* an 80 wire cable. 40 wire is capable of UDMA33 (Ultra DMA Mode 2), with a bandwidth of 33MB/s. 16x DVD is ~22MB/s.

80 wire ide cables are recommended by manufacturers like PIONEER. Using a 40 wire ide cable will render the drive not to work correctly. I've tested this out where the 40 wire ide cable will not even recognize the dvd burners.

80 wire ide cables are a must!

Obs is wrong, you are correct, I stand by what I said above. It is ridiculous or ignorant -- if not dishonest -- that those selling cables or external enclosures haven't been acknowledging this for the past couple years. I'm about to give away three different brands of USB enclosures I had accumulated over the past two years, because they are worthless to me: burners of 111 vintage or later are either not seen at all, or are otherwise unusable. Same problem with the enclosure-less external USB connector gizmos (like one from Sabrent). They work for most IDE hard drives, but not for the burners. And it's not just the cable, it's also the chipset.

[[_chef_]]

Pioneer dvd burners since the DVR-108 require a 80wire ide cable and to work in udma4 mode to work properly.
Like Pioneer itself says: "80wire is no mandatory but necessary for higher speeds!"

[Seeker47]

]Pioneer dvd burners since the DVR-108 require a 80wire ide cable and to work in udma4 mode to work properly.
Like Pioneer itself says: "80wire is no mandatory but necessary for higher speeds!"

Actually, the changeover seems to have happened with the 111 model. (Not 100 % sure about that, since I skipped the 110.) I do have a 109 inside the older-style external USB enclosure -- which is still prevalent in the market -- and it works just fine, no special requirements.

[[_chef_]]

]Pioneer dvd burners since the DVR-108 require a 80wire ide cable and to work in udma4 mode to work properly.
Like Pioneer itself says: "80wire is no mandatory but necessary for higher speeds!"

Actually, the changeover seems to have happened with the 111 model. (Not 100 % sure about that, since I skipped the 110.) I do have a 109 inside the older-style external USB enclosure -- which is still prevalent in the market -- and it works just fine, no special requirements.

Just to make it easy: comparing a 109 with a 111 is not useful.

usb EXTERNALS are a special case, most of their chipset just PLAIN SUCK!
That is one reason why I prefer FW & eSATA over usb!

[obs]

As mentioned in my other post, I guest I'm just imaginging that my Pio 111 works with a 40 wire cable . It's the cable that came with my Asus board, BTW.


> Like Pioneer itself says: "80wire is no mandatory but necessary for higher speeds!"

Right, so what you're quoting is that even Pioneer themselves say that an 80 wire cable is not mandatory (ie. not strictly needed). Thanks for making my point.

> Pioneer dvd burners since the DVR-108 require a 80wire ide cable and to work in udma4 mode to work properly.

I don't think anyone is arguing with this. At least, I'm certainly not. Note that I previously said UDMA2 and 40wire.


But whatever. As someone mentioned, we're talking about a 115 here, not 111. No need to get into hysterics about dishonesty, ignorance, etc. .

[oldandinthe way]

80 wire cables differ from 40 wire cables by having 40 additional grounds. These additional lines help eliminate induced noise between signal lines. Faster transfers run higher risk of inducing noise.

Although 40 wire cables will work in some configurations, some or almost all of the time, an 80- wire cable is cheap and desirable even as insurance.

Although it will disturb the media gurus, 40 wire cables are why some users get superior results by burning at lower than rated speeds. The cable can't handle higher data transfer rates.

[Seeker47]

80 wire cables differ from 40 wire cables by having 40 additional grounds. These additional lines help eliminate induced noise between signal lines. Faster transfers run higher risk of inducing noise.

Although 40 wire cables will work in some configurations, some or almost all of the time, an 80- wire cable is cheap and desirable even as insurance.

If you can't even see the damn drive, as was the case in several 40-wire scenarious I hooked up, I would say that is pretty telling evidence that the prior way of doing things isn't going to work anymore, with the later model Pioneers and probably some other current burners. And btw, no Master | Slave type confusion was involved: to date, I've never set up more than one device per controller. (With the exception of one box -- years ago -- that was all-SCSI.)

[SCDVD]

Does anyone know the difference between the 112 and the 115?

[OneSickPup]

Does anyone know the difference between the 112 and the 115?

Top speed for SL DVD burning:
112 - 18x
115 - 20x

[SCDVD]

Thanks, that's a pretty useless difference. A person shouldn't burn at either of those speeds. The burn quality is not as good. A minute or two improvement in burning speed isn't worth the trade off in the quality of the burn.

[OneSickPup]

Thanks, that's a pretty useless difference. A person shouldn't burn at either of those speeds. The burn quality is not as good. A minute or two improvement in burning speed isn't worth the trade off in the quality of the burn.

I agree - I rarely even burn at 16x. There may be some DL burn speed differences as well - just too lazy to look it up.

[oldandinthe way]

I burn at the maximum speed my drive has a write strategy for each media. 16x for CMC, 18x for Verbatim, etc etc.

I do not have any disks fail to burn to completion (except when physical flaws are present). No disks going bad in time. 16x burns - thousands up to 30 months old. 18x burns 6+ months.

Either I'm a lucky SOB, or I'm awaiting the one-horse shay, or quality drives, properly installed, with proper write strategies can yield quality burns with a wider variety of media at faster burn rates than generally thought on this forum.

My drives are not Pioneer.

[budz]

Yah we all know your drives are LG which is infamous for not supporting their drives with newer firmware. LG just keeps dishing out new drives and no firmware support for newer dvd media ID.

Your cheap CMC media will sooner or later degrade with time, 30 months is nothing.

[[_chef_]]

Thanks, that's a pretty useless difference. A person shouldn't burn at either of those speeds. The burn quality is not as good. A minute or two improvement in burning speed isn't worth the trade off in the quality of the burn.

Ask LG whats the need for their 22x DVD burner...?

To sum it up again: You go the way you should by using an 80 wire ide cable with Pioneer burners since the DVR-109/XL. Reason is, first you cannot achieve high-speeds with 40wire ones and secondly, 40wire ones are MOSTLY cheap quality! That makes a huge difference!

*over*