Sony getting clever? Simpsons Blu-Ray problems...

[The.Yield]

Hello all. Long story short I've backed up my copy of the Simpsons Movie to my PC using the normal methods.

Sadly, when I go to remux the video using TSremux, I find something strange.

The movie seems to have to broken up into chunks. File sizes for the m2ts files are 9.2GB, 9GB, and 7GB... There are also 700MB and 100MB files that might be part of the whole movie as I see they contain all the subtitle and audio options of the other larger files.

So ya basically have 30min, 22min, 20min, 10min, 5min chunks that make up the whole movie, or at least it seems like it.

Getting these in the right order would be hell on earth. I gave it a shot using a TS joiner and sorting them by size.... Ya, it wasn't that simple lol. The file that resulted wouldn't play properly and judging from the audio, it was not in the right order at all.

So, has anyone come across this yet? With other movies too? Has Sony gotten all clever on us?

*sigh*

[rhegedus]

It's not the file sizes that are the problem - the order is not too difficult to figure out.

The problem is the BD+ encryption that causes ripped files to play as agarbage after 20 seconds of play.

[The.Yield]

Yes I just did some reading on BD+... Doesn't seem like there is any way around it. Just tried to play back one of the pieces in .TS form and ya, no video output at all; just audio

Figuring out the order is still a pain though, lol.

[Lovepeaceguru]

Yes, yes, yes! This is my big problem too - the Blu-Ray programme chain )(pgc). It's not an encryption problem. I have as, I suspect, does The Yield, all the m2ts unprotected files and I can play them.

In Black Hawk Down for instance I had to Tsremux to two ts files and then join them. Deja Vu is similar to what The Yield says about The Simpsons. Instead of one or two very large m2ts files there are about 10 ranging from 2GB to 5GB.

There is a program called pcg.net that works on standard DVDs to determine the correct order. In one of the multiple directories on a Blu-Ray disc, one of the files must explain the correct pcg/order.

Does anyone know how to solve this problem?

[rhegedus]

Yes, yes, yes! This is my big problem too - the Blu-Ray programme chain )(pgc). It's not an encryption problem. I have as, I suspect, does The Yield, all the m2ts unprotected files and I can play them.

They are BD+ protected - see SlySoft forums http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=10753

PowerDVD will play it back as it is BD+ enabled but nothing else is at the moment, hence you can't frameserve the m2ts files.

[Lovepeaceguru]

Yes but.......

I have used Tsremux to produce many ts files from m2ts that do play in VLC. It is the m2ts file order that is the problem.

[Krispy Kritter]

The file order is part of the encryption. There isn't a program at present which can read and/or "fix it". I seriously doubt any of you are performing actual "back ups" anyway, not on $20+ dollar blanks. It's easier and likely not much more expensive to just buy another copy.

[Lovepeaceguru]

When I say backups I mean a file that I can store on my PC and play directly to my 1080p HDTV. For instance. successfully, I have taken "Layer Cake" from Blu-Ray disc with AnyDVD or DVD FAB to m2ts files to ts file with Tsremux and to avi at 100% quality with AutoGK. I now have an 8.5GB avi file that plays and look beautiful on anything: VLC, WMP, etc, etc

[videobread]

Is this is a sign of things to come with Blu-ray? Blu-ray has always been about copy protection. Blu-ray is a Sony project. That's why I don't buy Sony. People think I'm kidding. I will not support Blu-ray. I have even heard talk of the Blu-ray camp only releasing block buster titles in Blu-ray down the road. That would be like MS halting support of XP.

post from a month or so ago:

"Macrovision just bought digital content protection, (SPDC), from a company called Crytography Research Inc. It is enhanced Blu-ray security. They paid 45 million plus a bunch of Macrovision stock. They are serious. It is not for HD DVD. It is coming down the road to a Blu-ray disc that you may buy. HD-DVD on the other hand is just DVD on steroids and will always be crackable. "

I wonder if this is the new Crytography copy protection.

[Krispy Kritter]

And after Warner going exclusive, and possibly Paramount as well (which will force Universal to switch also), we will all be buying Blu-Ray or not enjoying HD.

Lovepeaceguru - regardless of what I think or say, you are free to do as you like. I just find no reason to even go through the hassle (especially in the case of HD material) to make "backups". There is no benefit of playing back from your pc. Anyone that takes care of their discs, shouldn't have to worry about a disc failure. And unless someone is a complete moron and frequently ruins a large number of discs, "backups" are a complete waste of time and money.

[videopoo]

Lovepeaceguru - regardless of what I think or say, you are free to do as you like. I just find no reason to even go through the hassle (especially in the case of HD material) to make "backups". There is no benefit of playing back from your pc. Anyone that takes care of their discs, shouldn't have to worry about a disc failure. And unless someone is a complete moron and frequently ruins a large number of discs, "backups" are a complete waste of time and money.

I agree....I don't get why anyone "backs-ups" the titles they've bought. I can understand why folks do it for BD and HD DVD right now - I guess people could considered it a hobby to play with the technology.

[chorros]

so right now is it just not worth it to backup blu-ray movies?? is the copy protection too severe to deal with??

[jman98]

so right now is it just not worth it to backup blu-ray movies?? is the copy protection too severe to deal with??

Earlier titles can be ripped. However, there are no tools like DVD Shrink to convert ripped BluRays to smaller sizes, nor does BluRay support BluRay content on DVD DL discs (HD DVD does, but the current Toshiba models won't play it), so all people can do is just re-encode to smaller size, say with WMV, and play it on PCs.

Current BD+ titles apparently can be ripped, but the catch is that only the current PowerDVD can play them and nobody can do anything with the ripped files (they can't be re-encoded apparently).

As far as the other posts go about why someone would want to backup legally purchased media, I can give you 2 reasons.
1) Some people are incredibly lazy and consider it too much work to go get a disc from another room. Remember too that the current ADD generation simply CANNOT wait 1 or 2 minutes for anything and if they can't get instant gratification, they really aren't interested. Playing back files ripped to a PC gives instant gratification. Folks, I am not kidding here. I saw a post today from some guy who thought it was basically crazy to only be able to burn something at 4X speed on DVD - it just wasn't fast enough for him.
2) Some people have a pathological need to clean and keep uncluttered (it really is a sickness for some folks) and being able to put stuff on a PC would certainly do that and allow them to junk the offending discs that might (gasp!) take up some room in their homes/apartments.

[lordsmurf]

At some point in time, we need to start telling the ADD generation to simply **** off, and quit catering to their idiocy. Their choices in movies and reality shows are largely crap anyway, not worth watching.

I understand the desire to back up rare discs (I have several OOP and foreign limited-release DVDs that I backed up the day I received them), but most people seem to be "backing up" Blockbuster and Netflix, and they can pretty much just piss off. Burning technology was not developed for those sorts of people, it was developed for content creators and computer data backups.

Something like The Simpsons Movie is not in danger of being unavailable anytime soon. If you screw up your copy, you can always buy another one later (at a lesser used price).

Few movies are worth watching over and over again, and buy them if you want them. If you have stupid friends or kids that ruin discs, simply avoid loaning them out, and then train your rugrats. Better yet, be there with them, and don't let them handle discs. The television is not a substitute parent.

[The.Yield]

Well now that you're all done hijacking my thread with zealot tier morality... lol

I have since revisited my Simpson's BD.

Just for laughs I thought I would go ahead and give the movie one more try off of PowerDVD (Just playing the raw ISO file).

Which to date plays every BD+ movie ISO so far.... save for The Simpsons lol!

PowerDVD spits out this error code: 80040216

My googling tells me to reinstall power DVD in this instance; sadly that does not fix the problem.

So far I'm stumped. Really' making it hard on me =/

[Krispy Kritter]

Are you using the latest PowerDVD with the latest patches? Blu-Ray and especially the BD+ encryption is a work in progress and will likely continue to have continuous updates to function "correctly".

http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/download/patches_1_ENU.html

[Lovepeaceguru]

Well quite why anyone needs to question my desire to backup my Blu-Ray movies, I don't know. Suffice (surely) to say that I simply prefer to have all my movies on my hard disks.

It is nonsense to say that ripped Blu-Ray movies will only play on PowerDVD. I rip using AnyDVD HD then use TSRemux to create a ts file. All of my ts files produced in this way play in PowerDVD, Crystal (my favourite), VLC and WMP

[jagabo]

I backup my DVDs so I don't have to watch the FBI warning, the production company logo, the distributor logo, a movie preview, a boring menu intro, etc. When I put one of my backups in the DVD player the movie just starts playing.

[jman98]

Well quite why anyone needs to question my desire to backup my Blu-Ray movies, I don't know. Suffice (surely) to say that I simply prefer to have all my movies on my hard disks.

It is nonsense to say that ripped Blu-Ray movies will only play on PowerDVD. I rip using AnyDVD HD then use TSRemux to create a ts file. All of my ts files produced in this way play in PowerDVD, Crystal (my favourite), VLC and WMP

Try "The Simpsons" and you'll eat your words about how "all" of your TS files will play this way. Welcome to BD+, sure to be your mortal enemy when you encounter it.

This isn't YOUR thread, even though you participated in it. You did not start it. Or are you admitting that you are also The.Yield too? You might consider that some of the responses were not necessarily about YOU per se.

[Lucifers_Ghost]

This isn't YOUR thread, even though you participated in it. You did not start it. Or are you admitting that you are also The.Yield too? You might consider that some of the responses were not necessarily about YOU per se.

It WAS actually The Yield who wrote that lol

[wild4trv30]

After reading the thread to this point, I thought I'd add my 2 cents...

I haven't even delved into HD ripping yet (just moved from authoring VCDs to DVDs not too long ago). However, regardless of the current medium, I think one point still holds. I believe a person has a right to fair use (as already defined in previous litigation) to make back-ups of his/her media. Sure it's not right to make copies to sell, but to use in your own home would fall under that use. If the companies want to try to prevent you from fair use by coming up with all the encryption (they never did that with LPs and Cassettes)--more power to 'em. However, even more power to the people who produce the work-around to get a fair use back-up.

[Rich86]

And after Warner going exclusive, and possibly Paramount as well (which will force Universal to switch also), we will all be buying Blu-Ray or not enjoying HD.

Lovepeaceguru - regardless of what I think or say, you are free to do as you like. I just find no reason to even go through the hassle (especially in the case of HD material) to make "backups". There is no benefit of playing back from your pc. Anyone that takes care of their discs, shouldn't have to worry about a disc failure. And unless someone is a complete moron and frequently ruins a large number of discs, "backups" are a complete waste of time and money.

Yeah - I think you are right. HD-DVD was all about what consumers wanted. Blu-Ray is about what the studios want. And since the studios get to decide what high def optical product(s) you will be permitted to buy - and they have chosen Blu-Ray - it's Blu-Ray or standard def dvd. Unlike the old Beta vs. VHS format war - the customers do not get to decide who wins!
One of the nice features in HD-DVD was the combo disk - so you could rip the standard def side to your laptop or whatever for traveling. Blu-Ray (Sony) seems to expend most of their research trying to eliminate whatever fair use rights anyone has left.

When it comes to choosing - personally I choose standard def dvd upconverted as opposed to Blu-Ray, if those are my only choices. Now the only decision is - do I keep my Toshiba HD-A30 player and movies and pick up whatever bargains I can for however long I can - or send the whole mess back to Amazon and use the money for something else entirely . . .

[Lovepeaceguru]

I am not The Yield! I am me! This is not my thread. I am a contributor. What some people think they read between the lines amazes me. WYSIWYG. I'm just a 'umble seeker after truth and top quality movies.

On a wider issue, personally I believe optical disks are dead in the water whatever the format. Remember how we were told CDs would last forever? Well DVDs are much more fragile than CDs and Blu-Ray/HDDVDs are much more fragile than DVDs. The future must be hard disks or SSDs. The only thing holding that back is average broadband download speeds. Optical disks will survive as a method of distribution for a while but not for long.

[Krispy Kritter]

It is nonsense to say that ripped Blu-Ray movies will only play on PowerDVD. I rip using AnyDVD HD then use TSRemux to create a ts file. All of my ts files produced in this way play in PowerDVD, Crystal (my favourite), VLC and WMP

I didn't say that. The OP (whom we are supposed to be helping), specifically stated he was having playback issues with PowerDVD.

[bigshotceo]

As far as the other posts go about why someone would want to backup legally purchased media, I can give you 2 reasons.
1) Some people are incredibly lazy and consider it too much work to go get a disc from another room. Remember too that the current ADD generation simply CANNOT wait 1 or 2 minutes for anything and if they can't get instant gratification, they really aren't interested. Playing back files ripped to a PC gives instant gratification. Folks, I am not kidding here. I saw a post today from some guy who thought it was basically crazy to only be able to burn something at 4X speed on DVD - it just wasn't fast enough for him.
2) Some people have a pathological need to clean and keep uncluttered (it really is a sickness for some folks) and being able to put stuff on a PC would certainly do that and allow them to junk the offending discs that might (gasp!) take up some room in their homes/apartments.

I think that it's only natural for people in any generation to look at faster ways of doing things. Consider this: do you use a remote control? Why don't you just get up and change the channel/adjust the volume the old way? Do you drive at or slightly above the speed limit? Do you use a microwave even for things that could be cooked in an oven?

There are plenty of perfectly legal, perfectly ethical reasons for wanting to copy/rip a dvd. Among them:

1) Desire to build an aforementioned home video library. Perfectly ethical, and within the bounds of my purchase (after all, I did in effect buy a licence to view the material, so how I do it is pretty much my own choosing).

2) Optical media, even professionally pressed media, will not last forever. I want to be able to preserve my movies/tv shows without having to repurchase them simply because my media's extended its lifespan. (again, when you buy a dvd you're buying a licence to view the content, and there are no terms saying that the right expires when the media "dies".

3) I want to be in control of my viewing experience. A bad example I remember is the South Park season six boxset. Each disc, prior to main menu access, had a comedy central trailer that lasted around six minutes and that you couldn't skip due to prohibited user operations.

[Dv8ted2]

Remember too that the current ADD generation simply CANNOT wait 1 or 2 minutes for anything and if they can't get instant gratification, they really aren't interested.

As someone who has ADD - (me), you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I would suggest you do more studying on the subject before you spout off and talk out of your rear end. People with ADD are usually good at computers because it helps them maintain focus. There is no instant gratification involved. I can wait however long it takes to do something.

People back up movies for a variety of reasons. I back up the movies and keep the originals from getting scratched or dirty. I also back things up to remove the stupid breathing is stealing videos at the beginning of the movies. I bought the disc. I do not need to keep seeing and hearing that I am a thief even though I paid money.

Is that enough or should I teach you more?

[jman98]

To be blunt Dv8ted2, I really couldn't possibly care less than I do right now about you or your personal problems, so you aren't teaching me anything.

[Dv8ted2]

To be blunt Dv8ted2, I really couldn't possibly care less than I do right now about you or your personal problems, so you aren't teaching me anything.

It is not a matter of caring. It is a matter of being informed of the subject. Without knowing about ADD, you come off sounding like a moronic jerk

It is not good to stereotype, because not everyone fits the mold.

Oh well, some people never learn.

Now back to the subject at hand....

Backups are performed for many reasons.

[Lovepeaceguru]

jman98 - you're a prat. Go elsewhere

[BDR]

Does anyone solve the problem of Simpson?