RIAA- copying own CDs for personal use as illegal as posting them online

[painkiller]

I think Somebodeez' post is very illuminating.

Somebodeez had posted this as a screen capture on this site before.

(here: https://forum.videohelp.com/topic293217-30.html#1466481)

Try plugging in that URL you see there in that picture.

The RIAA has removed it.

Meaning, they have changed their collective minds on how they feel about converting CD material from WAV to MP3 files.

Sorry there RIAA. You can't have it both ways.
At least, not in my book.

Not that I care anymore, I have all the purchased CDs I care for now - not likely I will need any more.

So, nyah nyah.

[jagabo]

The RIAA's rebuttal:

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9839897-7.html

What I think they are doing is intentionally slipping "ripping is stealing" comments into the testimony in the easy cases. When enough of these cases are decided in their favor they will point back at the "ripping is stealing" quotes and say the courts agreed with them. Then will come the attacks on ripping for personal use.

[DKruskie]

What I would like to know is how much money the RIAA has actually paid back to the artists compared to how much that they have won in court? I'm betting its less than 3%

[painkiller]

While I am not saying you are wrong, Jagabo, just how do you think the RIAA is going to know just who is ripping from CDs onto some other media?

Have they bugged my computer? Yours? The neighbor's kid down the street?
If none of us are making them available outside of our own personal possession, they can't possibly know for a fact this "ripping" occurs.

Even so, I find the notion of embedding "ripping is stealing" throughout their various (if unethical) 'wins' so they can get a future condition just right to make it a legal binding case ... probably correct.

As we head towards even more of a Big Brother (is watching you) State - - I can't help but wonder of anyone of any substance is going to try and prevent it.

Other than us blathering about it, of course.

[SCDVD]

The RIAA tries to broaden the language in the lawsuits they file no doubt because they would like to try to use these suits as "case law" on future lawsuits. The results of previous lawsuits are used as a means of arguing a new case based on prior rulings. This "case law" has some legitimacy in a court in that it establishes how a ruling was previously made. So when these slime artists slip their broader language into a given case's arguments, they will subsequently attempt to use it a "case law".

[rkr1958]

just how do you think the RIAA is going to know just who is ripping from CDs onto some other media?

Have they bugged my computer? Yours? The neighbor's kid down the street?
If none of us are making them available outside of our own personal possession, they can't possibly know for a fact this "ripping" occurs.

For the most part this argument is true ... if you rip what you own for your own fair use how would "they" know ... However; what if someone has a grudge against you (e.g., ex-wife, etc.) and reports you or if you're suspect of something else of which your totally innocent and your computer is seized. Even though you may be completely cleared of what they seized your computer for what happens if they find rip DVDs on your harddrive, in which case you've obviously violated the DMCA and broke DVD encryption.

[Supreme2k]

However; what if someone has a grudge against you (e.g., ex-wife, etc.) and reports you or if you're suspect of something else of which your totally innocent and your computer is seized. Even though you may be completely cleared of what they seized your computer for what happens if they find rip DVDs on your harddrive, in which case you've obviously violated the DMCA and broke DVD encryption.

It also depends on the warrant and for what exactly they are looking. If they are looking for child-porn, they can't get you for that iso of "Weekend at Bernie's". If they are looking for mp3s, they may have a better case if they find the ripped DVDs. On the other hand, it may be near-impossible to get a warrant from a grudge phone tip. It's hard enough to get one when they've been monitoring you kazaa ( ) usage.