VirtualDub - how to frameserve a .d2v file to tmpg

[vhelp]

Afternoon all.

RE: How to frameserve a .d2v file to tmpg

Ok, I've finally got a question to ask, since this is
killing me. Ok, I am trying to frameserve from VD to
TMPG.

Yes, I can do it, IF my origonal source is. . . ie,

* SOURCE: Captured to AVI
* drag into VD
* in VD, I start frameserve
* open tmpg and load the frameserve file, ie, "01.vdr"
...and everything works fine - I can encode, etc.

Now, the problem is like this. . .
FIRST SENERO RUN... (DOZENS OF'EM)
I try to feed in a ".d2v" file into VirtualDub, and
frameserve it into tmpg. But, I can't do it!!
TMPG spits out, "...cannot be opened or is unsupported"

Ok, so, I try it this way. . .
2ND SENERIO RUN... (DOZENS OF'EM)
* I run "VFAPIConv-EN.exe" and drag my "01.d2v" file
* I click on "convert" button, and it save as an ".avi" file
* I drag file into virtualdub (to use some filters, ...is how
I got started in this frameserving of DVD source)
* then, I start up the frameserving to a "01.vdr" file to
frameserve it into tmpg. But, I can't do it either!!
TMPG spits out, "...cannot be opened or is unsupported"

My understanding is that once I convert to .avi file w/ "VFAPIConv-EN.exe"
I can open it and do whatever I like.ie, open and play w/ ATI player
works fine, opened in VD works fine. But when I open in VD
and then I frameserve it to tmpg, it does not work. It
all sounds kind of "circular". And if memory serves me well,
(in some cases it doesnt, he, he...) when something is circular,
an error accurs. ...well, something like that, programing'ly
speaking.


I could of swarn I done it before, hence some of my logos in my
test enocodes I did a while ago, but I may have done them in
straight AVI form. I even tried using VD 1.3c, but that doesn't
seem to help either. I just don't remember if I did it, or not.
But, i can't do it now.

My Goal is to:
--------------
* DVD2AVI a dvd source (.d2v) , then
* open in virtualdub (VD) , and then
* frameserve to TMPG

Does anybody know what I am doing wrong and how to do it right??

Thank you all for your support.
-vhelp

[Truman]

What I do (and it works for me), is to convert the .d2v with VFAPIconv.
Install the handler (auxsetup.exe)
Open the *d2v-vfapi.avi in VitrualDub, add filters, start frameserver. Save filename.vdr and open it in TMPG as videosource. Done.
If you are running w2k or winXP, you may try to run the frameserver in proxy mode (aviproxy subdir) and save the file as filename.avi instead of filename.vdr.

[vhelp]

Ah, truman,

something must be wrong w/ this forum, caues I wasn't notified via
e-mail, though it was checked.

anyways, thanks 4 responding 2 my post.

Ok, the method you posted IS what I am using, but in all the versions
of tmpg I tried it on, it doesn't work. And, yes, I did install the
auxsetup.exe. I just keep getting the same error message that the
file is not support or couldn't be opened. Just kills me. I've sense
re-installed every one (via .zips) but I still have this problem. Even shutted down my machine, just in case. But no go.

R U sure the method you posted is correct?
----------------------

Sorry for the redundency here below:
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>> What I do (and it works for me), is to convert the .d2v with VFAPIconv.
>> Install the handler (auxsetup.exe)
Yes, this is what I do to. But, anything any other convert/frameserving,
and you NOW have this "circularReferencing" error I was talking about prev.
I think its double converting the .d2v file when you "frameserve" in VD.

>> you are running w2k or winXP, you may try to run the frameserver in proxy mode
>> (aviproxy subdir) and save the file as filename.avi instead of filename.vdr.
No, i'm not running such, I'm running windows 98 only (NOT SE)

>> Open the *d2v-vfapi.avi in VitrualDub, add filters, start frameserver. Save filename.vdr
>> and open it in TMPG as videosource. Done.
I done all this. I can do it if it's an straight AVI source file, but when I use
the VFAPIconv.exe app, and convert the .dv2 file to an .AVI, and then open up
the .avi file in VD, and then TRY to frameserve it into tmpg, I get the message
unsupported. I know its not the "VFAPI plugins" under tmpg, or it's order, cause it works
fine for all mother other frameserving from VD. But when the source is from a
.dv2 file, thats when things don't work. I must be missing something.

Can you please try it out again for me on your machine???
Any version (TMPG) prior to 2.xxx will do. I have them all.
Again, this is how I (would) do it:
* after dvd2avi'ing a small section from dvd source, save as "01.d2v"
* since VD doesn't open up .d2v files, we have to use "VFAPIConv-EN.exe v1.04" it to avi
* now, frameserve as filename "01.vdr" into tmpg.
* click start button in tmpg. (see error message - should be same as mine)

Get back to me as soon as you can on your results!! Trust me, it will happen to you
tooo!

Thank you for your support.
-vhelp

[kinneera]

Have you tried using Avisynth? Get the mpeg2dec.dll and create a very simple script that doesn't actually do anything to the video:

LoadPlugin("path\MPEG2DEC.dll")
mpeg2source("path\<your.d2v>")

Then load that into VirtualDub, do your filtering etc, and frameserve it. May work more reliably.

[Truman]

Since I use to frameserve with Avisynth I had to do a short test indeed.
I followed the procedure as you descripted. And....it works, no error message.
WinME, dvd2avi 1.76, VFAPIconv 1.04, VirtualDub 1.4.8 (proxyoff), TMPGEnc. 2.51Plus.

[vhelp]

where do U turn PROXY off????
In what app???

asside from WinME and 2.51, I have everything else. I hvae 2.51,
but the CQ-VBR is broke! So, I long gave up on THAT verion.

Tanx!

-vhelp

[Truman]

In the VirtualDub dir there is a "aviproxy" subdir. There are 2 reg files (proxyon and proxyoff). No wait a minute, version 1.48 came without these reg files, so I copied the reg files from version 1.4.7.

I think the CQ_VBR bug is fixed in 2.51, but I am not too sure about this.

If you still have problems, I can have one more test on a win98 machine tomorrow or the day after.

[vhelp]

Truman,

Thanks for your help thus far.

I want to try and narro down the config in my steps, so here is
what I have in my TMPG(s) in the order stated below. . .

[x] AVI VFW
[x] AVI2(OpenDML)
[x] AviUtil ProjectFile Plugin 0.96i
[x] DVD2AVI Project File Reader 1.61**
[x] DVD2AVI Project File Reader 1.76
[x] DirectShow Multimedia file reader
[x] Wave file reader
[x] TMPGenc project file reader beta 12d
[x] BMP/PPM/TGA/JPG file reader
[x] Quicktime Movie Reader

Kdiddy,
Thank for your help/advice also. I wasn't ignoring ya.
I was just trying to get this frame thing working.
I may try your optione/method shortly. But, I don't really
know much about this AVIsynth "scripting" stuff.
I don't know where the script is suppose to go, how to name it,
etc, etc. I like things in steps or order. And then I follow
it that way. Makes finding errors easier/quicker.
So, any input on this approach is also welcomed. I just need
to figure out why the frameserving is not working on my pc
but on others here, and then fix it so it DOES work on my PC.

Thank you all for your support.

-vhelp

** [x] DVD2AVI Project File Reader 1.61
I'm not sure how this got here. BUt, it doesn't hurt my
frameing serving. Even when I uncheck it, my other frame
serving works fine. So, I basically leave it alone. And,
also cause you can't delete it!!

[kinneera]

Hey vhelp, its kinneera, not kdiddy!

Anyway, in case you want to try the method, it's not that hard (probably easier than going through all the steps you're trying to, in fact). I could have been more clear, though. Basically, all you have to do is straight cut and paste the lines I posted into a file with the extension ".avs". You can name it whatever you want, and you can put it wherever you want. It will work just like an AVI (once you have AVIsynth installed, of course). Beyond that, there's nothing else special you have to do!

[vhelp]

RE: VirtualDub - how to frameserve a .d2v file to tmpg

kinnerra (not kdiddy)

when ya ben reading so many posts and answering many of 'em, you get
kind of crossed-eye'd, he, he...

Anyways, i've ben doing some surfng on this AVIsynth thing and, althoug
h I've used only the "VFAPIConv-EN.exe" part, I am will
ing to give this AVIsynth a try.
But, not to change the VD subject.
I still need to get it working.

There are some filters that I wanted to give a try in VD for a
couple of projects this weekend. But thanks to I-don't-know-what, I
can't get it to work.

Also, NOW, I can't get "VFAPIConv-EN.exe" to work either.
I was attempting to do a cleanup by running the uninstalled in VD and the AVIsynth apps, and now, I can't get an AVI to be recignised anymore!
I've tried reinstalling everything again, from VD 1.3c to 1.48 and all
the reg. stuff for each, tried, painstakenly for each version to
see if it would work, but still no go!

I'm confused at this point! w/ VD that is. I like using it cause I
can drag a file into it and do my visual testing there. I can't do this with AVIsynth. That's why I didn't really look any further into
it.

OH, b4 I 4get, do U know of any good sites that have a "complete" list of all the commands for AVIsynth???
I've ben to a few (from here) and I have'nt found one with lisitng of
all the command and how to use them.
Thanks for your help w/ AVIsynth.

-vhelp

[kinneera]

You don't have to do all of your filtering in Avisynth. You can load the .avs file in VirtualDub and work with it just like you were trying to do with the VFAPI frameserver.

[vhelp]

kinneera,

hmmm, I didn't know that!!

that's kind of making sort of happy all of the sudden! , he, he....

ok, so you say all I have ta do is just copy/paste a small piece of
code you posted here prev.??
ie,
-------------------
LoadPlugin("path\MPEG2DEC.dll")
mpeg2source("d:\<01.d2v>")
-------------------

Quesiton: Where do I get the "MPEG2DEC.dll" file from????
I did a search on my HD, and found nothing!!

Tanx!
-vhelp

[vhelp]

Hay Kinneera (or anybody) ,

Yeah!! It worked. I found the "mpeg2dec.dll" file here
http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/SupportUtils/mpeg2dec_dll.zip via the search engines.

Fewwww!! and what a waisted weekend!

Also, NOW how do I insert the audio part??? It only does the video. If i drag the .avs file into VD for frameserving, I wont have audio. I didn't see a command line for the audio part, only the video, hence the .d2v file!!!

I'd still like a list of ALL the command and things for this new method I think I will be using in my video endevers!!

Tanx!!
-vhelp

[kinneera]

Whoops, forgot the audio is loaded separately. You will need this line:

audio=WAVSource(path\"youraudio.wav")

(I'm assuming DVD2AVI created a .wav with the .d2v)

Glad to hear its working for you!

[vhelp]

kinneera,

tanx! I will try it soon as i can. But, i'm already in the middle of my late project(s)

Hay, did you see the movie, hint,
Bert Renolds, back in '81 ??
Can U guess which one I'm talking
about?? he, he....

Movie sucked big time, but I love these kinds of sucky movies. I
went and boubght the DVD, ben playing it this weekend, but didn't
realy see the whole thing yet.

But, I like it!! I like Bert!!

Anyways, there's a sond (theme songe) that reminds me of the late
'70's. hearing that opening song made me remember the days!! he,
he.... Disco baby, disco!!

Later.
-vhelp

[kinneera]

Forgot to mention: AVIsynth documentation can be found here:
http://www.horizon.nl/~michel/uk/default.htm

Bert was a busy guy in those years...

[vhelp]

alright already!

anyways, it was "Sharky's Machine"
I got it for $5.99 at k-mart.
Oh, I found out that k-mart isn't going out of business, just closing
down a bunch of stores. Ours is
staying open - hurray!!

anywyas, ben playing around with encoding some parts of it, being that it's an old movie done in early 80's.

So far, it's Interlaced, and not Film. Can't do forced Film on it.
have to so 29.97 and then make sure I have proper field order set and
then burn to VCD - comes out smooth but blocks during daylight areas.
Am running an experiment via capture. So far, the same scene captured has not showed any blocks.
So, go figure. Soo many variables!

Well, that's it for now, will check the site you posted, etc, etc.

Thanks for yours and truman's support/help.
-vhelp