Hard to say, 40mb should be possible without BIG problems with most drives (readers).
With Plextors, you can overburn some DVD+R media up to nearly 5000mb!!! But that is just geek'ness.
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OK. So - some part of a percent extra without BIG problems...
But its not worth the trouble.
I would either use DL or shrink the content a bit........*** Now that you have read me, do some other things. ***
4.6MB is a typo for 4.6GB, in my educated guess. Hence answers about not burning 4.6GB. The limit is 4.38GB and for good reason.
Official NTSC specs don't call for MP2, but official PAL specs do. There is nothing limiting NTSC from adding MP2, but nothing specifically supporting it. On the other hand, there is a limit to how much data is to be put onto a DVD-Video disc. There is a minimum too, requiring long lead-outs for small discs. The MP2 audio thing is an aspect of the MPEG decoders, while the disc size is limited by other factors. So you cannot compare them.
I don't understand the sudden stupidity I've seen on this site lately. Either do things correctly or don't do them at all. Quit screwing up discs for no good reason. Sure as hell don't suggest others join in on your harebrained schemes.
"I don't understand the sudden stupidity I've seen on this site lately. Either do things correctly or don't do them at all. Quit screwing up discs for no good reason. Sure as hell don't suggest others join in on your harebrained schemes."
You should run for President of the US. You have about as much intellectual curiosity as George Bush.
The only reason to over burn is for copy protection. If you just want to put more on the DVD then shrink more.
So I'm really late, by years, but a general update:
1) Overburning can be done, on + and - media despite what you may read elsewhere
2) If your burner supports overburning, your burner will probably read the overburnt disc
3) Overburnt DVD VIDEO discs will probably play in 60-75% of standalone players, and upwards of 90% of computer drives; depending on WHO YOUR READ the numbers from. Overburnt data discs are almost always readable by computer drives
4) Overburning is ALWAYS risky, but good software (IMGBurn, Nero, ISOBuster...) allow for a true raw data verification. If it verifies good, then you're good. Period.
5) DVD specifications are there for a reason. It doesn't matter if you like the reasons or not. When you violate the specs, it's no longer that item. An overburnt DVD-Video disc is no longer a DVD-Video disc. It's an optical disc on a DVD that happens to use the DVD-Video file structure. That's not a bad thing on it's own, just accept that you are burning a modified, or hybrid disc.
6) I've had around 50/50 success with overburns on DVD + media, with better rates on Ty and Verb media, and lower on standard media. I've also found a 100% failure rate on Playo.
I've found that less than 20% of my - attempts work to any extent.
Originally Posted by lostinlodos
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Originally Posted by [_chef_
However, I've burned things to single layer -R that totaled around 4.4 or so, which is supposed to be "full up." When ImgBurn calculated the size, it said something like 92 %. Ergo, there must be some extra capacity there beyond the official 4.46, or whatever it is. I understand that it may not be wise to use that additional space, but if it happens it is not automatically and for sure a disaster.
Originally Posted by Seeker47Originally Posted by [_chef_
Beyond that for other software
, just set the advanced tab in Nero to allow for overburning supported media, and below that check the box that says allow burning on non-supported media.
For ImgBurn, use a totalling tool like nerodiscrescue (free) to find out the real size of the space on the disc. When burning the image, make sure you have enough space from the totalling program for the size of the image in bytes. Then check off the box when you go to burn the disc that tells you it's to big and asks if it should try anyway.
ALWAYS leave 6 kilobytes extra "real world" space for standalone DVD/CD players and audio disc players. That's the standard laser lead from what I picked up at AVS.
Sometimes file sizes are just reported wrong. I've seen commercial DVDs that insist more than 9GB are on the disc. It's clearly an error.
Originally Posted by lordsmurf
IF that is true, why could this not also be the case for some commercial DVDs ? If such blanks exist and they are not too deviant from spec, Warner Bros. or whomever might have used them on occasion, and that could explain your anomalous readings ?
No, not true for DVD, not as you suggest.
CD has a bit more leeway. I believe it's out-of-spec, too, when done. Not part of the book standards for Audio CD. Anyway, you can get 99-minute CD, both as press and burn. I forget the technical off-hand (would have to look it up), because people don't really do it that often -- most know how non-standard it is. Players often reject those discs, either entirely or partially.
And while you'd think a major label would stick to the specs, Sony and Disney don't always do it, among others. And they've been rightly lambasted for it, when caught.
I had a CD-RW drive "back in the day" that warned that overburned discs could damage some drives
Is there any risk w/ DVD overburned discs?
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Originally Posted by lostinlodos
For one thing, ISOBuster DOES NOT BURN DISCS. I love it as well as the next guy, but these claims are just lies.
For another, the LEADOUT on CDs and DVDs are different. On CDs, the spec says 90seconds @1x = 6750 sectors @ 2352bytes/sector > 15MB. Big difference from 6kB. On a DVD, it varies depending upon whether single or dual layer, etc. but the minimum is 1.0mm in width (whatever that amounts to...quite complicated) unless the total is less than 1GB, in which case it MUST pad out to 1GB to be compliant.
And those apps mentioned still don't really tell the whole story AFA disc space used...
Get real, and use a little science.
So, I dare to ressurrect this thread....
AFAIK, and I'm not really wiser than before.
DVD-R overburn as we specify it is not possible without hw tweaking, DVD+R overburning is possible with a bunch of drives, mainly BenQ/Plextor.
OK, I just need to add, in the days when 4x DVD-R media was top notch, I grabbed some (fromUK, IIRC), that showed me a free space of 4496mb max, which is more than you expect even from a good DVD-R SL (DVD5).
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DVDStripper. 4500 is not that unusual: I continue to hit that or come within a whisker of it, from time to time. That is not exactly intentional either, since I tend to think that a filled size of 4200 or 4300 is pushing things about as far as one ought to, if you hope to keep the SL disc for several years and have it continue being readable.
ConvertXtoDVD, for example, seems to have no inhibitions regarding filling a disc up about as far as it can go.
all available space info I mentioned were taken from such a reliable tool like dvddecrypter. I also don't believe in some mumbo jumbo of various burning tools (eg. in case of their weird size calc).
Some people still think overburning has happened when they have burned more than 4482mb onto a DVD-R (SL), but they miss the fact that DVD-R always holds more mb than a DVD-R.
Also, it seems to me that a whole bunch of burning tools mis-calc the "overhead", besides the necessary space for folder, system and so on.*** Now that you have read me, do some other things. ***
DVD-R always holds more mb than a DVD-R
DVD-R overburn as we specify it is not possible without hw tweaking
(At that point in time, I don't believe I'd written my hack. I hacked the drive myself, using some info put out there by Flash, and editing a firmware update by Pioneer in a hex editor. That was fun. Flash had not yet figured out a way to overcome the Compaq limits. Sadly, I lost all my hack files a few days later when a hard drive tanked, part of the 1% of data not backed up. So I was never able to share it with others.)
I re-did the DVD with a better encoder a couple of years later, and have a new master now. The first version was made on Cleaner 5 (yuck), and the final version was encoded in Procoder 1.5.
So you can overburn a DVD-R with certain combinations of hardware and software. Poorly implemented, I would imagine, and most likely only with something as ancient as a 103.
I think what _chef_ was trying to say was refering to the overall sector capacity of DVD-R (SL) vs. DVD+R (SL). -R has 2,298,496 sectors, whereas +R has 2,295,104 sectors. The difference is really not usually WORTH mentioning (just less than 7MB), so I don't know why it's being brought up again in an argument.
BTW, strangely enough, DL +R has MORE available sectors than DL-R (less overhead in the spec). (See the Wikipedia article on DVD-ROM...)
So, BOTTOM LINE: years and threads later, it STILL isn't recommended to overburn either CD or DVD. Not if you care about what's on those discs being readable later on...
Yeah, sorry, a little typo and confusing starts to grow.
I just chose this two media types because some people still think they have "overburnt" a DVD5 just because they didnt think about that tiny little difference (few mb).
I really should try that when I get some time. Thanks for the hint!!
"Compaq OEM Pioneer DVR-103, and DVDit! PE 2.5."
How much MB does that DVD-R hold?*** Now that you have read me, do some other things. ***
I think it was it maybe 4MB larger than the max spec of DVD-R. Maybe it was 8MB.
It's really been a long time now.
You know, 4496MB sounds about right.
I have no idea where that disc is.
It's not in the master case anymore, because the new master was made.
But I think I kept the old DVD-R somewhere because it was an oddity. Will look for it.
Thinking back, it may have been DVDit! 2.0, 2.2x or 2.3, too, not the last version 2.5 PE.
This was from the early days.
Thanks, I'll try to check that sometimes just for the geekness.*** Now that you have read me, do some other things. ***