Phillips 5982 - Which receiver inputs for sound when using HDMI ?

[Fearnot]

Guys,

I am a decade behind in the audio / video stuff

I have the phillips 5982 ona normal TV via component .. My receiver just died and I need a new one. Now I want to get one that will work well if I get a HD TV and have the 5982 upscale to 1080.

I read somewhere there is a difficulty when connecting the 5982 viua HDMI that sound then only goes vie HDMI and NOT over the stero jacks and the digital sound out...

Now I was wondering what I should be looking for when getting a receiver:

- can I get a used old 5.1 receiver and run the sound th the receiver via stereo and connect the TV via HDMI?

- should I get a receiver that has a digital sound input?

- do I need a receiver that has a HDMI inout and then sends the HDMI video to the TV?

cheers

Matt

P.S.

I dont want to push it but what do I need these days? THX, Dolby digital? DTS?

[Krispy Kritter]

First, until you have your new TV, just plan on leaving everything connected as it is now. Component video out to the TV and stereo (or preferably digital) to your receiver for surround sound.

Assuming you have surround sound speakers, you will want at least a reciever with digital inputs (optical and/or coaxial). The digital connections are needed to get Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS surround sound. Prices start at about $150+. For example: http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR304B-Home-Theater-Receiver/dp/B000Q3Q6CC/ref=pd_bbs_2...7394761&sr=1-2

If you want to upgrade for the future, you will want an HDMI switching receiver. A good example would be the Onkyo 605 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000OBLARC/interactiveda669-20

Any of the HDMI units won't be of much benefit to you right now. But they can perform the same function as your current receiver or a replacement cheaper reciever and still be ready for when you make the upgrade to an HD TV with HDMI support.

[edDV]

A potentially critical issue when selecting an HDMI switching audio receiver is HDCP compliance. Few recent models except at the top of the line handle HDCP encryption so are useless if/when BD/HD DVD go HDCP or if the broadcast flag is implemented by governments.

When HDCP encryption is turned on, every device in the chain needs to be compliant with a valid key. Options to the media owner are block output entirely, limit video resolution and/or limit audio to stereo.

[Fearnot]

Thanks for the advise


Now when the 5982 outputs 1080 via HDMI, I understand it will NOT output digital sound via coaxial. Am I correct? Which would suck.

cheers

Matt

[Slapstick]

No, when an HDMI cable is used it defaults to outputting the sound over HDMI but you can change it to digital out in the audio setup menu. The thing that bugs me is every time you unplug and plug back in the HDMI cable you have to go into setup and change the audio back to digital out.

[ebenton]

I think most newer devices today allow you to either output your digital sound through HDMI, or through some digital coax or optical connector. My Scientific Atlanta DVR used to not be switchable, but a firmware update fixed this.
Perhaps there is a firmware update that will allow you to switch to a given connector and persist that setting.

[Krispy Kritter]

I'm confused, if your TV only has component inputs, HDMI will do you no good until you get a new TV. HDMI switching AVR's accept multiple HDMI inputs and output a single HDMI to the TV. Maybe list of all your current hardware will give us a better idea of what you are actually trying to do.

[ebenton]

I agree with you Krispy Kritter.

He said the TV was a "normal" TV. To me this means non-HD, which means no HDMI, and no component inputs, either. WTF kind of TV is this, anyway?

If the DVD player outputs sound and picture via HDMI and the receiver has HDMI, the receiver should be able to output the sound to the speakers. However, if the TV has no HDMI input, there will be no way to get the picture to the TV, because I don't think any receivers with HDMI inputs can switch the video or audio to any non-HDMI outputs.

So, somebody needs to bring out the bucket of feces and a paintbrush and draw me a picture.

[Fearnot]

Thanks for the advise and sorry for the confusion!

Now here is the situation:

For years I had a JVC DVD player that only played SCVD's and recently found a way for the thing to accept DVD-R, although it wasnt supposed to but I take it

Also it didnt play PAL or "semi pal (wrong NTSC framerate" stuff I had. Worst it didnt play DivX (of course).

, so I had enough and wanted a cheap DivX and PAL and any disc media player. After almost getting a $20 noname machine i discovered that the 5982 has that great USB feature, was cheap and fit my requirements so I got that.

Now unfotunately my super old surround receiver just died and I need to replace that.

My TV is an old small (20 something inch) JVC TV with Video in, Component in and SVideo in.

Currently I have the 5982 connected to that TV via component and sound goes to that too (since the receiver died).

I now want to get a receiver for sound from the 5982. This is easy but also, I MAY get a HDTV next year and want to make sure I will be able to hook the 5982 to that via HDMI and play upscaled 1080p to the TV.

Important is for me that thr reciver I get now will work with the 5982 and HDTV so I dont have to replace components.

I like good stuff but unfortunately the TV/Audio budget is super small right now.... So I have to make sure I dont waste money on replacing items I buy now. The receiver will most likely have to come from craigslist ..

So far I gather that the only thing I need is a receiver with coax digital in and IF I get an HDTV i can then connect the 5982 to the TV via HDMI and run the sound from the 5982 to the receiver vie digital coax.

Does digital coax have any disadvantge to optical (is htis SPDIF?)?

cheers and thanks for the advise!

Matt

[ebenton]

If you get a receiver with HDMI switching, you won't need the separate audio connection. However, since cost seems to be an issue, you probably can't afford such a receiver.
In that case, when you get a new HDTV, connecting the 5982 directly to the HDTV HDMI connector, with separate audio cable(s) to the receiver would work, as long as your 5982 can output sound through some other connector when the HDMI output is being used. Some devices may not be able to do this. You should check your 5982 to make sure it can do this, or at least that there is a firmware update available that will enable this.

[maxpower2078]

Well this is such a wide open subject if you are talking about starting over with a potentially new receiver and new TV. The sky is the limit and some limits need to be expressed.

Main question is Do you even want a receiver to handle the video?
Do you want to use a AVR as the centerpiece of your entertainment center?
Do you want to send signals to other rooms?
What is your price range?
etc...

I have the 5982 too, but I also have a Yamaha V2700 which does its own upconversion. I haven't really taken the time to see which one is better and my display devices are all 720p.

I like the new Yamahas, the V1800 doesn't do networking or have USB, but decodes the latest DD+ and TrueHD as that is the only downfall of mine, the V3800 does all that I could imagine at this point.

[Slapstick]

If your on a tight budget for a receiver then I wouldn't get on that does HDMI switching. I had somewhat the same situation, I was looking to improve the audio in my office but wanted to do it on the inexpensive side. I had some old Polk speakers so I picked up a Sherwood RD-6500 5.1 receiver for $130.00 at Circuit City. To that I hooked up 3 PC's, a TV and a Philips 5982 DVD player. The receiver has 2 coax and one optical inputs for 5.1 sound and several RCA stereo inputs. For the price you can't beat it.

[Fearnot]

Main question is Do you even want a receiver to handle the video?
Do you want to use a AVR as the centerpiece of your entertainment center?
Do you want to send signals to other rooms?
What is your price range?
etc...

My requirements are easy

- receiver needs to handle only audio (5.1 from DVD and stereo from the DVD to play MP3s). The video will go from DVD to TV directly. Now with component and maybe in the future via HDMI (IF I get an HDTV)
- Being such a noob I am not sure what it means ... I only need to play CD's from CD player, MP3 form DVD player and DVD from the DVD player... no other electronics are involved
- Not needed .. all speakers are in one room.

I want to pay about 150-300 for the receiver and am currently looking at used to get more value.

Cheers

Matt

[Fearnot]

... as long as your 5982 can output sound through some other connector when the HDMI output is being used.

Yep, thats exactly what I need to find out from a 5982 owner ... The manual seems unclear to me about this and I cant test it with my setup.

If the 5982 can do it then I just need a 5.1 receiver with digital coax input

Matt

[Slapstick]

Yes the 5982 can output sound from from the digital coax out or the stereo RCA out to your receiver even when an HDMI cable is used. As I said earlier when an HDMI cable is used the 5982 defaults to sound out over HDMI, you have to go into the audio setup and change the setting to output over digital but it can do it, (at least it works that way on the 2 I have, HDMI to TV and coax to receivers). Before I picked up a new receiver I was running one of them with the stereo RCA's out to an old receiver and HDMI to the TV, worked well just in stereo.

[Krispy Kritter]

Even buying new hardware, there are many that meet your criteria in the $100-200 range. While you only need coxial digital at the moment, I would try to get a model that also has optical. This will give you more options later if/when you may need to replace/upgrade the dvd player.

[Fearnot]

Ok Thanks all

I came accross a used Pioneer VSX-1016TXV which I grabbed ... It got all the stuff I need and some I havent heard about yet.

I hooked up the 5982 to the digital coax and works nice (no HDMI for now).


Now it was the first time I played a DVD with it (so far only DivX of HD) and get this ... it seemed like there was a slight stuttering sometimes where the Video was a little jerky ... WTF? I will check this out more and maybe return the 5982 ...

Cheers

Matt

[Slapstick]

The usual cause of jerkyness during play back of Divx files on Philips players is packed bit stream. Trying using MPEG4 Modifier to unpack the bit stream before burning to disk.

[Fearnot]

Yeah but this was a store bought DVD (Star Wars Episode I) ! That concerns me a lot .. there shouldnt be any jerking.

[maxpower2078]

Just looked around for the heck of it and if there is anyone still looking for an inexpensive solution to and HDMI receiver

Onkyo, 7.1, HDMI for $185
http://www.ecost.com/detail.aspx?edp=38513098