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  1. Originally Posted by guns1inger
    So what you have is a deliberately corrupted data disc, not a DVD Video disc. Nice intellectual exercise, but not a realistic or practical copy protection system.
    Well, it has stoped this programs anyway

    isobuster
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    I have stopped all of those programs from ripping my disks, too. I store my movies on a 5 1/4" floppy, and they all fail to read it.

    ...and I don't have a 5 1/4" drive attached.

    Those floppies are just as much DVD-Video as the other "protection" methods expressed in this thread.


    I've also developed a method to keep my car's tires from being stolen. I made all of the tires triangular. And I poked holes in them.

  3. There are only two relevant questions here.

    Has ANYONE been able to copy this disk?

    Have ANY players failed to play this disk? How many successful players tests do you have?

    So far, I have seen ZERO successful copies and ZERO playback failures.

    The technical arguments are meaningless and a waste of time. Does it play (appears to be YES) and can it be copied (appears to be NO).

    What it should or should not do or whether it should or should not work is horseshit. DOES it work and CAN it be copied?

    You want to demonstrate this is a bad idea? VERIFY a playback failure, OR a succesful copy. That's it. If you do not wish to do that, then stfu and leave the guy alone.

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    Originally Posted by Nelson37
    There are only two relevant questions here.

    Has ANYONE been able to copy this disk?

    Have ANY players failed to play this disk? How many successful players tests do you have?

    So far, I have seen ZERO successful copies and ZERO playback failures.

    The technical arguments are meaningless and a waste of time. Does it play (appears to be YES) and can it be copied (appears to be NO).

    What it should or should not do or whether it should or should not work is horseshit. DOES it work and CAN it be copied?

    You want to demonstrate this is a bad idea? VERIFY a playback failure, OR a succesful copy. That's it. If you do not wish to do that, then stfu and leave the guy alone.
    The author has already verified playback failure himself - it does not play back on a PC. For many people this is the primary method of watch DVDs. If it cannot play back on a PC then it's only value is to the author, who feel's he is somewhat superior for creating something that is worthless outside his own living room. It is not a practical solution unless it can match the playability of an in spec DVD Video disc.
    Read my blog here.

  5. Do you use the vacumcleaner to clean your dish?
    probably not! you use the disshwasher

    So why enable computer playback when you use the computer to crack it.

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    Originally Posted by ilovevcd
    Do you use the vacumcleaner to clean your dish?
    probably not! you use the disshwasher
    But you could also simply use your sink to wash dishes.

    The DVD-Video spec is for DVD playing devices. PC drives also conform, so unable to play on PC = FAIL


    This is all smoke and mirrors anyway. Until we see a legitimate source verify that the discs "work" as is being post (or if the method/discs even exist), this whole debate is pretty much moot.

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    Originally Posted by ilovevcd
    Do you use the vacumcleaner to clean your dish?
    probably not! you use the disshwasher

    So why enable computer playback when you use the computer to crack it.
    HTPCs are a legitimate playback device. As are Media Extenders that allow you to play any video from your PC to your TV. As are gaming consoles that are much closer to PCs than they are to stand alone players.

    When I was working for large consulting firms, most people used their laptops rather than buy TVs. They were mobile people used to moving from place to place at short notice, so this was the only practical solution.

    Your so-called copy protection immediately cuts out an ever growing group of viewers.

    While it may not be as insidious as Sony's root kit, it is about as useful and legitimate.
    Read my blog here.

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    Is there a process by which we can legally enjoin people from making discs for being too fukking stupid?
    "It's getting to the point now when I'm with you, I no longer want to have something stuck in my eye..."

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    I hope this will be short...
    2 things are bothering me with these posts from "ilovevcd" (mainly) and "videobread".

    #1 Without realizing to who they are speaking to, they seem to think that they are speaking to noobies who don't understand the DVD spec. Seriously, do you understand how filesystems even work? Have you bought/read the spec? Even if you can't do the NDA and buy into the $5k--$15k package, have you even bought DVD Demystified? Because you're TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS! You obviously don't know the first thing about this stuff. I put a bet years ago that there wasn't a DVD/VCD that was put out (for distribution) that I couldn't make a copy of. It has yet to happen. That includes "prot_dvd" (although WHY anybody would want to copy this I don't know).
    You mentioned "IFO" as being a filesystem. WRONG! IFO are the files that contain the majority (though not all) of the navigation data on the disc. As IFOEdit has been saying for years, you can often recreate/synthesize them even when they are dead wrong or missing.

    #2 Stop your circular reasoning. What is your goal? -- "To create a create a >>playable<< DVD disc that also cannot be copied." Well, you may have created a disc that cannot be copied. As Adam Sandler says, "Whoopitydo!" I can do that with a blank disc, or a broken disc, or a badly burned disc or a disc otherwise not written to spec (or a disc of "PEARL HARBOR" ). I can also create a playable DVD disc. But you can't have your cake and eat it too. Hasn't been done, won't be done. There are geniuses (genii?) on this board that can get data off a Gamecube disc (and THAT is tough). Do you just want to hinder neophytes, that's easy and has already been told to you how to do. But don't keep on wasting everyones time with "knowing hints" and elliptical/tangential infantile retorts. You've lost my interest.

    And BTW, if there's any data where you're looking and you're seeing 0KB, you're using the wrong tools.

    Scott

    P.S., Confucius say, "It is better to remain quiet and have someone think you are a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."

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    try using copy protected discs like the pioneer DVS-RW47B/U it comes with CPRM(Content Protection for Recordable Media) i have 2 of them came free with the Pioneer DVR-7000, used DVD Decrypter and the Content Protection System Type said CPRM, the burnt disc also works on all the dvd player i have without a problem


  11. If you do't belive me when i say that a dvd-player can play a disc with filesize zero on the vobs
    why not make one disc yourself and get convinced that they do

    I said it before and i say it again:
    A computer uses filesystem "open" to access a file on CD/DVD or Harddisk.

    DVD-players access the disc through LBA adressing. That is why they can play zero length files.

    This is the realworld 'NEO'

    Nobody can be told, you must see with your own eyes.

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    OK then. Post an ISO file of a sample 'protected' DVD so we can test it for ourselves.

    However, if you took the time to read and understand the main issues raised with your method, it is that you have stopped many badged, certified DVD Video playback devices from reading your disc, which means you do not have a compliant DVD Video, and cannot guarantee it's playback, and have cut out a large portion of a potential audience. From a practical point of view, this is still not a viable solution, other than to stop your mates copying your collection of downloaded porn. The majority of these "can I protect my DVDs" posts come from people who are authoring school plays and sporting events to sell to raise money etc. Your 'solution' is of no value at all to these people (who, by the way, live in the real world).
    Read my blog here.

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    Originally Posted by ilovevcd
    If you do't belive me when i say that a dvd-player can play a disc with filesize zero on the vobs
    why not make one disc yourself and get convinced that they do

    I said it before and i say it again:
    A computer uses filesystem "open" to access a file on CD/DVD or Harddisk.

    DVD-players access the disc through LBA adressing. That is why they can play zero length files.

    This is the realworld 'NEO'

    Nobody can be told, you must see with your own eyes.
    Firstoff, you seem to have forgotten that "Neo" and "The Matrix" ARE WORKS OF FICTION. As is your idea of "something for nothing"...
    Do you have content or not? If you have content, it is by definition greater than zero. If it is greater than zero, any tool that says it is (zero) must not be the best tool to be using in that situation and pretending it is or that it is the only one just even moreso points out your inability to face reality.
    If you have 0KB, by definition it is empty meaning you don't have anything.

    I'll say it again: BOTH computers and settops use filesystems (UDF and/or ISO9660) with which to store/organize their data on DVD (AS REQUIRED BY THE SPEC for compatibility), and both computers and settops use IFO info tables to navigate around on the disc. You are likely confusing CDs and DVDs. Audio CDs HAVE NO FILESYSTEM, so they MUST be accessed via track/index/time/sector. And BTW, both computers and settop CD players access Audio CDs the same way.
    Maybe you're thinking of VideoCDs (which BTW is impossible to burn as-is onto a DVD because DVDs don't support Mode2 sectors, unlike your previous assertation)...

    I must be from Missouri, because I expect you to SHOW ME that it is possible to do what you are saying (otherwise, you're just considered one more snake oil peddler).

    And you're not alone in your flowery manipulation of psuedo-science--you're in good company with all those astrologers, spirit writers, sasquatch friends, ufo probe-ees, rabbits' foot carriers, etc. GOOD LUCK (you'll need it).

    Scott

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    Straight From Wiki

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_player

    A DVD player has to complete these tasks:

    Read a DVD disc in ISO – UDF version 1.2 format
    optionally decrypt the data with either CSS and/or Macrovision
    read and obey the DVD's Regional lockout codes and display a warning if the player is not authorised to play the DVD
    decode the MPEG-2 video stream with a maximum of 10 Mbit/s (peak) or 8 Mbit/s (continuous)
    decode sound in MP2, PCM or AC-3 format and output (with optional AC-3 to stereo downsampling) on stereo connector, optical or electric digital connector

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    Originally Posted by Cornucopia
    2 things are bothering me with these posts from "ilovevcd" (mainly) and "videobread".
    Hey, buddy Cornucopia, just ignore these fools like ROF in his time.

    Their protections have no chance with my "spectrum analysis" method

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    Yeah, that's one of my faults...

    I didn't ignore ROF when he was around either. Of course, I did put him in his place and presented 2 scientific challenges to him, neither of which he was bold enough to take. And he ended up imploding from his own irrationality and got banned. But I'm still here!

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    ilovevcd: I'm impressed. Keep up the good work. I've learned a lot from your efforts. Thanks.

    (Nay Saying Swine: Move along. There are no pearls here for you to steal. Nothing you can sell. Nothing you can take credit for. Any copy protection scheme can be reverse engineered. Any copy protection scheme has value.)

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    Great, now we are called pigs for doing the same thing an employer would do if you went to them and solicited employment on the basis that you can infallibly protect DVD-Videos from being copied? That says a lot about how many friends you are likely to win here, or how much credibility you have from this point going forward.
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    try folding it in half...

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    it is simple really....just lift the lid and pour


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  22. On request there will be an protection sample file availible

    In the next couple of days there will be an sample file availible for download, so that those who are
    interested in testing the protection can evaluate it themselves

    /IloveVCD

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    I heard that if you use NakedGeek media that it will always be burned with copy protection as that is built-in when using that brand of blank DVD media.
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  24. Naked Geek media rings a bell. Wasn't that counterfeit stuff, lowest quality? As in nearly 100% "coasters"?
    Pull! Bang! Darn!

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    Originally Posted by fritzi93
    Naked Geek media rings a bell. Wasn't that counterfeit stuff, lowest quality? As in nearly 100% "coasters"?
    He was an A-hole that started posting here about how he had a website that sold the absolute best DVD media when in fact it was cheap ass garbage.

    There was a big flurry over it and several threads and I think he was finally banned.

    Someone should do a search and see if any of those threads still exist and do a write up on it. We have a very interesting history here at times and it should be documented LOL

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  26. Originally Posted by videobread
    ilovevcd: I'm impressed. Keep up the good work. I've learned a lot from your efforts. Thanks.
    One thing that scares me is how little people knows about computers and how they work.

    I started using computers back in 1982-83 when the ZX-81 / ZX-Spectrum was released. I have wrote programs in Z80 assembler code, motorola 68000 like the Amgia and Atari.

    So i know pretty well what you can do if you bypass the operating system like ms-windows or linux. Also the difference between the BIOS = Basic Input/Output system and the operating system.

    Many people I think started using computer after the release of windows 98SE and 2000 or even XP.

    So most of these guys don't know what's behind the command promt, yet they try to tell others including me how the operating system uses the filesystem etc, when many of them don't even know how to partitioning a hard disk.

    I mean, partitioning and formating of an harddisc is done far earlier than putting the FAT32/NTFS or linux filesystems to the disc.

    So talking about that an operating system must use the filesystem to access the disc is "inside the inside thinking of a box"

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    Blah blah blah blah blah.

    As others have said, DVD-Video specs uses files, therefore files systems must be used.
    End of story.

    You've used computers for 20+ years. Congratulations. So have many of us.
    However, it's a shame some of us (you) don't know anything after two decades of use.
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    10 PRINT "BULLSHIT"
    20 GOTO 10

    See I've been using computers for a long time as well :P

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    can someone PLEASE tell me how to turn my computer on....
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    lordsmurf wrote:

    However, it's a shame some of us don't know anything after two decades of use.
    and FulciLives wrote:

    10 PRINT "BULLSHIT"
    20 GOTO 10

    See I've been using computers for a long time as well :P
    because:

    224F6C64657220646F6573206E6F74206E656365
    73736172696C79206D65616E2077697365722E22




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