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  1. Video Restorer lordsmurf's Avatar
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    "How do I protect my discs" is a lot like "How do I make her (or him) love me?" --- You can't.

    If it means that much to you, ARccOS and Macrovision are available. Print up 1,000 discs and have at it. Of course, even that million-dollar method isn't all that effective. All home protections do is screw up the disc, and it's no longer within DVD-Video specs. That's unacceptable and stupid. I'd also like to add that trying to prevent friends and family from copying your discs is pretty low and pathetic. It might be rude, but some of you "I invented a copy protection" guys need to just face up to the truth and pull your head out of your ass. At best, all you're doing is misleading people. At worst, you're teaching them how to make out-of-spec DVDs. I don't know why we're suddenly getting a lot of posts on this again. It's obnoxious. Quit.

    Originally Posted by acid_burn
    for the majority of lay persons trying to use dvd shrink, decrypter, or similar...
    Error in logic detected. If they're using DVD Shrink, Decrypter, et al ... then they're not a lay person. The person who uses Nero or Roxio to copy is a lay person. You could deter them with a sticker on top that say "this disc cannot be copied".
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    Originally Posted by Noahtuck
    And exactly how would you add a watermark without Re-encoding
    Hence.... quality loss
    I don't know how kareen is creating his/her DVDs, but the watermark could be applied upon the initial encoding from raw/uncompressed footage to DVD (mpg). Only if the material is already in DVD spec would it be degraded further.

    I know kareen said "how...dvd", so it may need to be taken back to scratch to get the best quality.

    I agree with a few of the posts, and re-iterate my rule #4:

    4. If you are trying to prevent friends or family fom copying it, you have much bigger problems than copy-protection.

  3. Originally Posted by acid_burn
    Wow. The subject was inviting, but the posts in this thread are BAD.
    Yes, the posts are bad and I don't think that anybody now dares to post a copy protected dvd sample here on videohelp. This makes me sad because I would have been very interested in downloading a copy protected dvd sample.

    vcd4ever.

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    Originally Posted by vcd4ever
    I would have been very interested in downloading a copy protected dvd sample.
    If it could be uploaded, then the "copy protection" must already have been defeated.

  5. Originally Posted by acid_burn
    Wow. The subject was inviting, but the posts in this thread are BAD.
    If you don't have anything useful to say, please refrain from posting your intelligence on the subject, or lack thereof...
    you just turn it into useless drivel, that benefits only your ego....


    ...so the bottom line is, there still is no useful answer as to how to copy protect your own DVDs in this thread...

    I have a method, but its a bit unorthodox, and its not foolproof, by any means, but depending on whom you're trying to prevent copying, and how smart/dumb a 'hacker' they are, this is probably going to work for the majority of lay persons trying to use dvd shrink, decrypter, or similar...
    You are fooling yourself. If the movie studios spend millions of dollars and their protections are easily broken, what makes you think that some joe blow who does not have near the capital to spend can do any better? I reiterate that the only effective method of prevention is to not give the discs to people, or to not make the movie at all.
    Believing yourself to be secure only takes one cracker to dispel your belief.

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    Originally Posted by Noahtuck
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    Originally Posted by Dv8ted2
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    very easy .........add a watermark!
    That never works. The movie can still be copied, and all you have done is degrade the quality of your movie.

    you'll never lose quality by adding a watermark.....if one doesn't know the right procedure surely he will.....and definitely, i know it can still be copied.....but at least you know who owns the original video right.....voila!
    And exactly how would you add a watermark without Re-encoding
    Hence.... quality loss
    sad to say also that its (you'll never lose quality by adding a watermark) my trade secret....just a little clarification.....never did i mention from my previous posts that my suggestion will prevent content copying.....what i suggested was at least inform future viewers of your copied material that your are the original owner....hope this somehow clear things up...!

  7. Originally Posted by dvstorm
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    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    Originally Posted by Dv8ted2
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    very easy .........add a watermark!
    That never works. The movie can still be copied, and all you have done is degrade the quality of your movie.

    you'll never lose quality by adding a watermark.....if one doesn't know the right procedure surely he will.....and definitely, i know it can still be copied.....but at least you know who owns the original video right.....voila!
    And exactly how would you add a watermark without Re-encoding
    Hence.... quality loss
    sad to say also that its (you'll never lose quality by adding a watermark) my trade secret....just a little clarification.....never did i mention from my previous posts that my suggestion will prevent content copying.....what i suggested was at least inform future viewers of your copied material that your are the original owner....hope this somehow clear things up...!
    Technically, you are jacking with the picture or the audio. To say that you do not lose quality is not only false but a downright lie. You are inserting something that is not supposed to be there. Anytime you insert a foreign object, you lose quality.
    Believing yourself to be secure only takes one cracker to dispel your belief.

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    Post a copyright notice at the begining of the DVD. Indicate in the notice that you will persue legal action against anyone who copies, distributes or publicly displays your material. Sue anyone you catch using your material contrary to your copyright.

  9. Originally Posted by Dv8ted2
    To say that you do not lose quality is not only false but a downright lie. You are inserting something that is not supposed to be there. Anytime you insert a foreign object, you lose quality.
    If he considers that a forced subtitle can be called a watermark and used as such, then you don't have to reencode and it's not actually a lie. I've seen forced subs inserted and used as watermarks in retail DVDs before. Yes, I think technically a watermark has to be embedded into the video, but a translucent or opaque forced subtitle can and sometimes does serve the same purpose.

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    You can't force a subtitle. DVD players do whatever the hell they want to do, in terms of subtitles support.
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  11. Originally Posted by lordsmurf
    You can't force a subtitle. DVD players do whatever the hell they want to do, in terms of subtitles support.
    Don't be silly. Of course a subtitle can be forced and a PUO set to prevent it from being turned off. It can easily be unforced if you can get the DVD onto the hard drive, but there are plenty of retail DVDs that when put into your player will play subs (or a logo periodically) and all the button pushing you do on the remote control can't do anything to change it.

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    On the other hand, when you rip a DVD, you can remove the subtitles completely, so forced or not is moot.

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    Originally Posted by Dv8ted2
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    Originally Posted by Noahtuck
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    Originally Posted by Dv8ted2
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    very easy .........add a watermark!
    That never works. The movie can still be copied, and all you have done is degrade the quality of your movie.

    you'll never lose quality by adding a watermark.....if one doesn't know the right procedure surely he will.....and definitely, i know it can still be copied.....but at least you know who owns the original video right.....voila!
    And exactly how would you add a watermark without Re-encoding
    Hence.... quality loss
    sad to say also that its (you'll never lose quality by adding a watermark) my trade secret....just a little clarification.....never did i mention from my previous posts that my suggestion will prevent content copying.....what i suggested was at least inform future viewers of your copied material that your are the original owner....hope this somehow clear things up...!
    Technically, you are jacking with the picture or the audio. To say that you do not lose quality is not only false but a downright lie. You are inserting something that is not supposed to be there. Anytime you insert a foreign object, you lose quality.

    now i get the point....you dont simply understand a word i'm saying.......it seems that you're really focused on the copying issue.......let me brief you my dear friend: assuming you're trying create a material or project from scratch....before you finally produce your original or master output material....be it be dv, dvd or anything of that sort, that is where you add your watermark.....now tell me...where is the quality loss .your talking about..? and to further rectify things...it is not quality loss as pro editors talk of it...its "GENERATION LOSS"..........

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    Originally Posted by manono
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    You can't force a subtitle. DVD players do whatever the hell they want to do, in terms of subtitles support.
    Don't be silly. Of course a subtitle can be forced and a PUO set to prevent it from being turned off. It can easily be unforced if you can get the DVD onto the hard drive, but there are plenty of retail DVDs that when put into your player will play subs (or a logo periodically) and all the button pushing you do on the remote control can't do anything to change it.
    Nope, not true at all. DVD players do whatever the hell they want to do. PUOs are not always obeyed, when it comes to subs. Subtitles are not as rigid in the player specs, like regions or firstplays are. You can tell a player to turn off subs, or always on, or always a certain language, etc. There is nothing that forces subs when a player is told to turn them off.

    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    ..it is not quality loss as pro editors talk of it...its "GENERATION LOSS"..........[/b]
    I've never heard the word "generation" uttered from the lips of a pro ... ever. That's a hobby term. I use it a lot because this is also my hobby, and I've gotten a lot of dumb looks from using it in the workplace.
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    Can't we just add in a FAQ: asking "how to protect my own DVD" is equal to being banned, or at least temporarily banned?

    IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE YOUR DVDS UNCOPYABLE GO SELL IT TO THE STUDIOS, GET RICH, AND F*CK OFF.
    Isn't it simple?

    Gosh how I hate idiots... why nature didn't create the virus to make morons mute and without hands?

  16. Originally Posted by dvstorm
    Originally Posted by Dv8ted2
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    Originally Posted by Noahtuck
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    Originally Posted by Dv8ted2
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    very easy .........add a watermark!
    That never works. The movie can still be copied, and all you have done is degrade the quality of your movie.

    you'll never lose quality by adding a watermark.....if one doesn't know the right procedure surely he will.....and definitely, i know it can still be copied.....but at least you know who owns the original video right.....voila!
    And exactly how would you add a watermark without Re-encoding
    Hence.... quality loss
    sad to say also that its (you'll never lose quality by adding a watermark) my trade secret....just a little clarification.....never did i mention from my previous posts that my suggestion will prevent content copying.....what i suggested was at least inform future viewers of your copied material that your are the original owner....hope this somehow clear things up...!
    Technically, you are jacking with the picture or the audio. To say that you do not lose quality is not only false but a downright lie. You are inserting something that is not supposed to be there. Anytime you insert a foreign object, you lose quality.

    [b]now i get the point....you dont simply understand a word i'm saying.......it seems that you're really focused on the copying issue.......
    ????

    Look at the title of the thread. Let me remind you.

    how do i prevent my dvd from being copied
    You must not get to theaters much.

    The movie studio has introduced colored dots into movies and it messes up the quality of the movie. How is that working for them?

    The technological measures have been bypassed easily. You waste time and energy with your so called protection. You also look like a fool because the friends and family got the movie from you. If you do not trust your friends and family, then you have other issues.


    I am well versed in generation loss. I used to run a photo lab. Each time you printed a negative, you would lose quality because the negative runs the risk of getting scratched or getting fingerprints. If you took a picture of a picture, you would lose quality.

    This normally does not apply to computers because you are dealing with ones and zero's. My point is that you only have so many lines of resolution. You are inserting something that takes up some of that resolution. This takes away from the picture. That is what I meant by saying that you lose quality.

    As I said again....


    What makes you think you can do any better than the movie industry on protecting videos?
    Believing yourself to be secure only takes one cracker to dispel your belief.

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    Originally Posted by Dv8ted2
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    Originally Posted by Dv8ted2
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    Originally Posted by Noahtuck
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    Originally Posted by Dv8ted2
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    very easy .........add a watermark!
    That never works. The movie can still be copied, and all you have done is degrade the quality of your movie.

    you'll never lose quality by adding a watermark.....if one doesn't know the right procedure surely he will.....and definitely, i know it can still be copied.....but at least you know who owns the original video right.....voila!
    And exactly how would you add a watermark without Re-encoding
    Hence.... quality loss
    sad to say also that its (you'll never lose quality by adding a watermark) my trade secret....just a little clarification.....never did i mention from my previous posts that my suggestion will prevent content copying.....what i suggested was at least inform future viewers of your copied material that your are the original owner....hope this somehow clear things up...!
    Technically, you are jacking with the picture or the audio. To say that you do not lose quality is not only false but a downright lie. You are inserting something that is not supposed to be there. Anytime you insert a foreign object, you lose quality.

    [b]now i get the point....you dont simply understand a word i'm saying.......it seems that you're really focused on the copying issue.......
    ????

    Look at the title of the thread. Let me remind you.

    how do i prevent my dvd from being copied
    You must not get to theaters much.

    The movie studio has introduced colored dots into movies and it messes up the quality of the movie. How is that working for them?

    The technological measures have been bypassed easily. You waste time and energy with your so called protection. You also look like a fool because the friends and family got the movie from you. If you do not trust your friends and family, then you have other issues.


    I am well versed in generation loss. I used to run a photo lab. Each time you printed a negative, you would lose quality because the negative runs the risk of getting scratched or getting fingerprints. If you took a picture of a picture, you would lose quality.

    This normally does not apply to computers because you are dealing with ones and zero's. My point is that you only have so many lines of resolution. You are inserting something that takes up some of that resolution. This takes away from the picture. That is what I meant by saying that lose quality.

    As I said again....


    What makes you think you can do any better than the movie industry on protecting videos?
    because, I am one of them (movie industry)...........my friend..! have a nice day!

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    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    because, I am one of them (movie industry)...........my friend..! have a nice day!
    You should get yourself a pack of cigarettes and a short length of hose

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    Originally Posted by Noahtuck
    Originally Posted by dvstorm
    because, I am one of them (movie industry)...........my friend..! have a nice day!
    You should get yourself a pack of cigarettes and a short length of hose
    "mismo...."

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    Originally Posted by Noahtuck
    You should get yourself a pack of cigarettes and a short length of hose
    I read this about 5 times before I got it. Funny!
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    Originally Posted by lordsmurf
    Originally Posted by Noahtuck
    You should get yourself a pack of cigarettes and a short length of hose
    I read this about 5 times before I got it. Funny!

    me too....kidding aside, up to now I'm still laughing...Yahooooo!

  24. Hi

    I work with recording wedings and other events, and i do this for my living. But I'm tired of people steeling my productions by ordering one copy and then duplicting the rest themselves.

    Then I came across this thread and thpught that this could maybe help me. So i downloaded the prot_dvd.zip file and burned it onto a dvd. Then i tried it on my computer but it didnot work so i tried it on both my dvdplayers and they both played it perfectly.

    I tried to copy the disc with dvdshrink and anydvd but this faild.

    Having study the subjct i found that it is impossible to create protection for burned dvds. But why can't i copy this one?

    I was not sure if there was any point to ask why it could'nt be copied it, but it would be wery helpful to know.

  25. Originally Posted by ilovevcd
    Hi

    I work with recording wedings and other events, and i do this for my living. But I'm tired of people steeling my productions by ordering one copy and then duplicting the rest themselves.

    Then I came across this thread and thpught that this could maybe help me. So i downloaded the prot_dvd.zip file and burned it onto a dvd. Then i tried it on my computer but it didnot work so i tried it on both my dvdplayers and they both played it perfectly.

    I tried to copy the disc with dvdshrink and anydvd but this faild.

    Having study the subjct i found that it is impossible to create protection for burned dvds. But why can't i copy this one?

    I was not sure if there was any point to ask why it could'nt be copied it, but it would be wery helpful to know.
    Bad disc possibly....

    You should not worry about it so much. The point we were trying to get across is that copy protection is futile. You waste your time and resources. The discs can normally be copied if they can be played.
    Believing yourself to be secure only takes one cracker to dispel your belief.

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    For starters, "dvdshrink and anydvd" are not what you use to copy discs. One is a transcoder, and the other is a deCSS utility.
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  27. Originally Posted by lordsmurf
    For starters, "dvdshrink and anydvd" are not what you use to copy discs. One is a transcoder, and the other is a deCSS utility.
    Huh? I thought you just right click on the anydvd icon and say rip it? Isn't that copying?
    And if anydvd is running and you open shrink, can't you save it to a iso file or burn to disc? Isn't that copying?

    Or are you just talking about burning the disc constitutes copying
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    https://forum.videohelp.com/topic176848.html#639656
    Originally Posted by freestyler
    You should make it so this warning pops up when you insert the disc:

    This post is over 4 years old and still valid.

    Originally Posted by vcd4ever
    Yes, the posts are bad and I don't think that anybody now dares to post a copy protected dvd sample here on videohelp. This makes me sad because I would have been very interested in downloading a copy protected dvd sample.
    Actually several people have attempted posting DVD copy protections methods. Just use the search feature in the main VideoHelp page and start looking for them. Perhaps my grand mother will not manage to copy DVDs protected by these methods, but i bet my kid brother will copy all of them.

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    If you can play it, a way can be devised to copy it.

  30. [quote="ofbarea"]https://forum.videohelp.com/topic176848.html#639656
    Originally Posted by freestyler
    You should make it so this warning pops up when you insert the disc:

    Believing yourself to be secure only takes one cracker to dispel your belief.




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